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  • #21
    Around here, breeders trade broodmares and some times stallions regularly, as the needs for different bloodlines come up.
    Some times trade for young prospects too, for breeding or riding once mature enough.
    Everyone seems happy with the trades.

    Performance trainers some times trade horses up or down for their clients, between clients and with other trainers, as they need.

    I think several of the internet horse sale sites have horses listed "for sale or trade", so that may work for you.

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    • #22
      My 70's No

      First time out bought a yearling (mistake) from rural people who "didn't have time for her" (bigger mistake) They wanted $300 but I traded $100 and a vintage gun. I very quickly realized this was not only stupid, but dangerous.

      So I then answered an ad for a "fully trained" cob from a lesson & boarding stable. Telling them of my dilemma, they took my "beast" whom was really just a brat needing a competent trainer.

      They gave me the sweetest, kindest big dog of a pony that was the best first horse anyone could wish for. (but too lazy for lessons!)

      The "beast" turned into a very stylish driving horse that was enjoyed for years.

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      • #23
        Yes, people trade horses. I trade horses all the time--sometimes even trade, sometimes a partial trade. Of course, I am in the business of buying and selling horses, so it is a bit more common for me, but I have done trades with people who aren't in the business who needed a more appropriate horse for them, and when they had a horse I thought would be useful to me.

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        • #24
          I traded my daughter's arab cross mare for her current and forever Morgan gelding. Mare went to someone who could keep her only with mares as her hormones dictated and gelding came to live with us rather than hate trying to be a lesson pony. It couldn't have worked any better for us.
          Kerri

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          • #25
            Originally posted by SFrost View Post
            Honestly I don't look forward to riding her or working with her. I can ride her, but I don't love it. I just feel like I have no idea how she's going to react. Not that she's ever been truly bad, but it is way more green than I am used to. I just don't find it fun nor am I excited about riding/working with her. Even grooming. And I love to spend time with my horses.
            This is reason enough to "not keep her"!! Riding should be pleasurable and if you're not eager to run out...tack up...and ride her...she is not the right horse for you....even if she is an Olympic hopeful. She is not the horse for you. I've traded horses a lot of times and always been pleased. It is important to know and/or trust the other party. With an ISH...I'd find a reputable eventer/trainer and propose your trade. Sometimes a greenie is more appealing to competive riders than a "boring" packer. Good luck.
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              #26
              I am keeping my fingers crossed. I've put her up for sale or trade and networked with several people I know in the area. I have not contacted the big event barns just yet. I am hoping that something comes through with what I've got out there now. I am bummed because I found a lovely TB gelding, black, so cute and so inexpensive. We are talking a $3500 difference in the other person's favor (and she's a trainer) but she didn't seem interested. I guess it wasn't meant to be.

              I did contact the very nice gal I purchased Bella from and told her what was going on. She for sure has more contacts than I do and I offered a finders/sellers fee, so maybe something will work out there.

              Y'all keep your fingers crossed for me. I just want something that I can be excited about. I love Bella dearly, but she is just too much horse for me and I can't risk my pancreas any more than I already do.

              That being said, I am going to try to ride her tomorrow and see if I can get her going even better. I worry about the risk, but at this point if I want something else it looks like I may have to get her going more under saddle to make her more marketable.

              Lesson learned. I guess I could not have totally predicted this. They told me my pancreas would stabilize with all these treatments. All they did was make it worse. They are ruining my riding! Doctors, they just don't get it.

              Or, I am going to throw all caution to the wind, take my pain meds before I ride along with an anti-anxiety and hope for the best. I have a panic attack just thinking about it. And the mare has never truly done anything that bad. Maybe I am just a big ol' chicken.

              My other option is to do a GM clinic with my gelding. If I survive his wrath, I can handle that mare. Right? I think the logic is sound...for 3am, anyway.

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              • #27
                I did it recently. I adopted a couple sound young horses from a neighbor who was moving. I told him I'd find a home for the gelding, but thought I'd keep the mare. Turns out she was NOT a good fit in my herd.

                I saw a CL ad for a young mare with bloodlines I prefer, and asked the girl if she'd swap. Turns out my mare was the bloodlines SHE preferred and she owns a really nice pally stallion that complements that mare (who was breed worthy).

                So we did the swap. Looking at both mares side by side, one might say I got the worse end of the deal, but we both got what we prefer, so really it worked out fine. (my mare is much smaller, but that's part of her lines, too-I think her conf is a bit better than the other mare's was)...

                So it can happen between the correct parties.
                "As a rule we disbelieve all the facts and theories for which we have no use."- William James
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                • #28
                  I did it once. Traded a fancy but sensitive/hot TB mare for a draft cross gelding that would be laughed out of an A show. Best decision I ever made.
                  Proud member of the "I'm In My 20's and Hope to Be a Good Rider Someday" clique

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                    #29
                    Well, I've got her sale/trade ad up and posted in a few places.

                    I found a horse I was SUPER interested in, but the seller-can't even give me the time of day. What is that. This is a horse that is listed cheap. Under 3K. She didn't want to trade which is fine, but I liked her horse enough to consider drastically dropping my horse's sale price to get this horse. If there were room at the barn, I'd just buy him and wait till she sells and have bills be really tight for a few months, but she was so unresponsive and dismissive. The horse isn't close either. I'd have to drive about 6 hours to see him. But I liked him that much.

                    What is the deal with rude sellers? Clearly I am not just tire kicking and am very serious about the horse, I made that very obvious. I dislike the horse selling/shopping process just as much as the saddle and car buying process.

                    I am so disappointed because I really, really liked that gelding. She may still get back to me (although she couldn't even get my name right when it was posted an inch above in my email). She said she would, but here were are with no response to any of my questions.

                    Sad. And so, so frustrating.

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                    • #30
                      Sorry you're having to deal with rude sellers. Sounds like the seller is not really eager to move the horse.

                      My rancher cousin told me a story about his Dad meeting up with a fellow on the plains of SE Colorado. This would have been in the days of open range. They admired each other's horses and decided right there to swap -- horse, saddle, bridle and all!

                      Another trade didn't work out so well. Rancher Cousin traded an old but in running order Allis-Chalmers tractor for two horses. One had the crookedest front legs I've ever seen, the other was (quite literally) a bald-faced paint. No hair on the white (pink) parts of his face. Both horses had lice. Ick. Later we found out the paint had neurological problems.

                      That guy saw my poor cousin coming!

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                        #31
                        I suppose thing will work themselves out. I have a really sweet gal interested in Bella, and I hope she likes her when she meets her. the potential buyer is just one of those people that seem so, so sweet and her horses look to be so well cared for.

                        So, fingers crossed it works out!

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by SFrost View Post
                          I suppose thing will work themselves out. I have a really sweet gal interested in Bella, and I hope she likes her when she meets her. the potential buyer is just one of those people that seem so, so sweet and her horses look to be so well cared for.

                          So, fingers crossed it works out!
                          It may be simpler just to sell her and shop for something else later. I traded a horse once - a WB mare that needed more time and attention than I could give with 3 horses for a porky little QH that my husband could ride. It worked out well at first, until the mare's new owner started having some difficulties with her and tried to say I had misrepresented her. We eventually traded back after the mare went "mysteriously" lame - new owner refused to have her seen by a vet and wouldn't give her more than week or two off, just long enough to look sound again and then re-aggravate the injury.

                          I took her back, no questions asked, had the vet out two days later. Gave her 3-4 months off, brought her back into work 100% sound and then sold her at less than 50% of the price I'd paid for her.

                          Good luck!

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                          • #33
                            I ride at a BNT barn that is known for a high volume of sales/import. He routinely will take horses in on trade—either outright or putting that horse's purchase price toward another horse.
                            Last edited by Tha Ridge; Oct. 28, 2013, 10:58 PM.

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                            • #34
                              I've done it several times and it worked out great! I got lucky in that I had what they wanted and they had what I wanted so we just unloaded one and loaded up the other! One was actually an uber talented 4 year old ISH mare who I thought was a royal bitch and buyer had a super sweet laid back draft cross gelding. Same age, mine was started and had fantastic breeding and he was picked up for $500 in a field. But he was gorgeous, sweet and everything I wanted. Even though he was valued less per say I was happy to do the trade even. I got the BEST gelding and the woman loved bitchy mares! Win win! I ended up selling him later to a fox hunter for a pretty penny after I got him going well so I didn't lose out financially after all. I wouldn't have cared though if he hadn't brought in what she could have. I was just happy to have a horse I had fun on again!
                              Please excuse the typos...I'm always on my iPhone and autocorrect is not my friend. Yes I mean mares autocorrect...not mates.

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                                #35
                                It is so interesting and encouraging to read these stories! I love when people find horses that work out for them in unconventional or unexpected ways.

                                Even with the one bad experience I have been amazed. )Although the seller has been more responsive when I stressed again how interested I was and I wasn't kidding about driving the 10 hour round trip. I doubt I'll get the horse. People are lined up for her all week, or so I am told, so I am thinking I will lose out.)

                                But I am amazed at the kindness and helpfulness I have gotten from some people. People offering to help find her a place, even refusing a fee I offered just because they wanted to help me find the right horse. One farm offered to help me sell her (with fees) but let me know they do training and could help. I know it is business, but as I say in horses...business is business and in the horse world it is always personal. There will always be some emotion involved.

                                I am so hopeful that the girl and her mom coming to look at my mare do buy her. Not just because I want to sell her. (Honestly, I decided if she doesn't sell, then I guess I am meant to keep her for now.) But the girl seems so sweet and so concerned with what the horse needs. Not what she wants. (This is based talking to her about her horses and her background.) If I was hand picking a home, it would be to them. Hopefully it works out. I'm even putting people off who want to see her until next week until they can come see her. I'm terrible at this selling business. I hope I don't have to do it again. I just can't help wanting the people who seem to be best to have her, even if that means losing other potential buyers. Which I know is a bad thing. See? Emotional rather than business.

                                I've found several amazing horses that have potential for me. Of course a lot of them include 15 hour drives one way. I just don't know if I can do sight unseen. I do have one that isn't flashy but he is solid in his training. 9yo, total packer that has the potential to event to Novice. He comes with a guarantee and the seller was upfront and honest about all the horses she had for sale. His video was nice. He's no GP dressage horse but he could be a super fun eventer.

                                But then there is the Friesian Cross I found....just a bit out of my price range. Also solid, but he'd be strictly dressage shows. Jumping only for fun. My hubby was none too happy when I mentioned adding to the budget. But I tried to explain that if you get something you want resale value. (I thought it might be a sound argument. He thought not. Oh well.)

                                Anyway, y'all keep your fingers crossed for me and my mare. And the buyers too! the daughter seems really invested so I'd hate to let her down. Hopefully I will have a positive update soon!

                                But again, no matter how this experience works out I am glad to have seen the good side in the horse world. I see and deal with so much snotty attitude in this area it gets disappointing. (Not at my barn, thank god.) But it was nice to be reminded there are great people out there.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by SFrost View Post
                                  Ugh, then how do you even go about pricing a horse like her? Green, but and ISH. Professional training, lots of scope. It makes my head hurt. It gives me anxiety.
                                  I have your horse, only in the boy version. I think he'll make an UL jumper, though with the right rider he could event. I'm not that rider. Sixty days prof training a year ago and then the winter off, ridden by me all summer this year with a trainer, has been started super duper slow due to slow maturation (we're planning on popping over a x-rail next week, that's how slow ). I wouldn't take less than $6k, but think he's probably worth more to be honest, and that's taking a sluggish market into account.

                                  But to answer your question: I did a trade once. I had a talented green Anglo mare, same age actually. She needed to be worked every day. Nothing wrong with that, but I can't do that with my job. Without daily work, it was a one-step-forward, two-steps-back situation that was rapidly devolving... I traded with someone *cough my mother* for a teenaged been-there, done-that who could go a month without being ridden and be the same horse. The same lame horse that bucks when asked to canter, come to find out. Because I didn't do a PPE, shame on me. She got a nice horse she eventually sold for $12k. I'm only a little bitter (though I enjoyed the pony for the most part, and the mare would have never worked for me).
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