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  • #41
    Originally posted by BEARCAT View Post
    I have to agree with mvp.
    I wasn't surprised the vet didn't get it at first but once you started explaining it, the light bulb should have come on.
    The light bulb did come on. And the vet obviously followed up on it her(him?)self because they texted the next day; she obviously checked it out. So the vet did the typical vet thing and expanded their knowledge.

    That being said, I bet there are vets out there who would lose clients - or at the very least be met with horrified stares if they routinely suggested feeding your unwanted horse to the cats or the hounds.

    Me, I think after he's gone it's a good place to end up, feeding the cats or the hounds.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by amastrike View Post
      About a week and a half ago, the vet was out and asked if I knew anyone who wanted a yearling pony filly. Ehhh, maybe the BO because she's a sucker, but a yearling is a tough sell. Vet knows someone who has this pony and doesn't think it's going to be a good show pony, so she wants to get rid of it ASAP. If no one takes her, the owner will send her to a wild animal park.

      Vet is thinking, oh, living in a wild animal park isn't the best life, but okay. I'm like "um, I could be wrong, but I think she means they're going to feed the pony to the wild animals."

      Vet:

      Me: I know they do it for big cat refuges, people can donate horses and they feed them to the lions and tigers.

      Vet and owner of the horse the vet was out to see:

      Me: Well, it's not like they set the horses loose for the lions and tigers to hunt! They shoot it--

      Vet and owner: !!!!!

      Me: Not like in the gut, they shoot it in the head and it dies right away, it's not that bad!

      Vet and owner: !

      Vet has never heard of this and asks me how I know. I read about it on Chronicle of the Horse, of course!
      Per the reported conversation, the light bulb was on a dimmer switch...
      "When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade."

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Anne FS View Post

        That being said, I bet there are vets out there who would lose clients - or at the very least be met with horrified stares if they routinely suggested feeding your unwanted horse to the cats or the hounds.
        Probably not a routine discussion with Suzy horseowner and her pet pony, but it does come up.

        Twice I've been in a position of considering alternate options for a horse, and I was VERY grateful to have older vets who knew about all the possible options and could discuss them with me.

        A far cry from the fresh out of school vet who refused to euth a dangerous horse because he was "too young" and she'd feel bad, and then told me I'd have to run him through auction (as she freely admitted he was dangerous and needed to go before he killed someone) as if those were the only two options - the vet euths the horse or I let the kill buyers have a go.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by gaitedincali View Post
          A far cry from the fresh out of school vet who refused to euth a dangerous horse because he was "too young" and she'd feel bad, and then told me I'd have to run him through auction (as she freely admitted he was dangerous and needed to go before he killed someone) as if those were the only two options - the vet euths the horse or I let the kill buyers have a go.
          Okay, I'd want to know who that was so I could stay far away from her, or at least know from what school that one graduated?

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            #45
            Originally posted by BEARCAT View Post
            Per the reported conversation, the light bulb was on a dimmer switch...
            No. Light bulb was on full power, but it's obviously something that requires some explanation. You'll note I used emoticons, not emoticons.


            mvp, yup, definitely hit a nerve, but apology accepted . I agree, it is something vets should know, but I wouldn't blame a vet for not knowing about it. There are plenty of disposal options in the area, so it's not as if people are regularly trying to figure out what to do with their horse carcass. Actually, I think I will suggest to the vet that she talk to Ann Dwyer about it.
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            • #46
              When my old mare was getting on in years and I was sorting out my options for when the time came I had every intention of sending her to the zoo. I knew the end would be quick, and her body put to good use. I also happened to know a zookeeper through my sister. She told me how difficult it is for zoos to afford enough fresh meat for the big cats. She was a big cat keeper at a zoo in Tennessee and she often drove around picking up roadkill deer to supplement the meat menu.
              I wasn't really sure I could follow through, but in the end, didn't have to. The mare colicked, and by the time I made the decision to euthanize her to she had too many drugs in her body to be used as food.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Anne FS View Post
                Okay, I'd want to know who that was so I could stay far away from her, or at least know from what school that one graduated?
                I don't think that's uncommon. A lot of people enter their professions full of optimism and ideals, regardless of what they've been told. Experience has a way of driving points home.
                "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                  There are plenty of disposal options in the area, so it's not as if people are regularly trying to figure out what to do with their horse carcass.
                  I have taken a couple of horses to a wild animal park, and in case anyone is confused, I brought them there alive. They ended their days in a lovely shaded paddock with endless hay and a couple of buddies. So it wasn't just a carcass disposal option. I can dispose of carcasses here on the farm but have no way of actually killing the animal other than having a vet euthanize. So losses from illnesses like colic (to which I have lost 2 beloved horses in less than a year) are euthanized and buried, but behavioral or chronic issues can come to a more useful and environmentally sound end.

                  Originally posted by Aggie4Bar View Post
                  I don't think that's uncommon. A lot of people enter their professions full of optimism and ideals, regardless of what they've been told. Experience has a way of driving points home.
                  If only they all read COTH lol! And especially the "better a day too soon" experiences so many of us have had. My optimism and ideals are now spent making sure the ANIMALS get the end they want, not that I get the (fairy tale) end I want.
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by JoZ View Post
                    If only they all read COTH lol! And especially the "better a day too soon" experiences so many of us have had. My optimism and ideals are now spent making sure the ANIMALS get the end they want, not that I get the (fairy tale) end I want.
                    It's easy to say "better a day too soon". When push comes to shove with a younger horse, some of those same people would rather offer a non-solution that allows them to pretend there was a fairy tale ending than face a heartache head-on. Euthanasia in any form is permanent. I think experience lends itself to maturing past the personal emotions surrounding death and into seeking a means to honor the life. And while some people may not agree with me, I think giving an otherwise unusable animal purpose (through education, as a food source, etc.) is a means of honoring the life being taken away.
                    "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                    • #50
                      It is one thing to consider the animal park or the hounds for an elderly, infirm, injured or dangerous horse.

                      It is quite a different thing for a yearling filly whose only fault is that the owner thinks she won't be successful in her chosen discipline.
                      Janet

                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by Janet View Post
                        It is one thing to consider the animal park or the hounds for an elderly, infirm, injured or dangerous horse.

                        It is quite a different thing for a yearling filly whose only fault is that the owner thinks she won't be successful in her chosen discipline.
                        Totally agree. I think there are two different things going on in this thread. The discussion about wild animal parks and whether vets should be cognizant of them as an option is, to my mind, completely separate from the discussion of the baby. A vet, a BO/BM, or an owner could definitely be aware of multiple options for ending a horse's life, while still considering some options inappropriate for a particular situation. I wouldn't bring a baby to an animal park, nor would I bring a sick horse. I wouldn't even bring a horse in a lot of pain.
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                        • #52
                          Our zoo has minis in the petting paddock (though they are not loose with the goats, etc.). So, one's first thought might be that the pony was going to be exhibited. Thanks to COTH, one's second thought should be that there is a possibility the pony would be used to feed the cats.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by BEARCAT View Post
                            Per the reported conversation, the light bulb was on a dimmer switch...
                            FWIW, it makes a better story this way. I don't fault the OP for writing to entertain a bit at all.
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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by Janet View Post
                              It is one thing to consider the animal park or the hounds for an elderly, infirm, injured or dangerous horse.

                              It is quite a different thing for a yearling filly whose only fault is that the owner thinks she won't be successful in her chosen discipline.
                              I disagree. It's an option, like any other. Lions & tigers must get sick of only eating stringy old animals. There's nothing wrong with the decision if it's the owner's decision. Also agree with the poster who said there might well be another weakness, structural or otherwise, that makes this pony not desirable for use.

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                              • #55
                                Don't want to get too off topic, but googled around and found that info on what zoos feed. Asked my vet as well, who said that both hound packs and zoos, IF they do that, which for the ones nearest her she doubts, they certainly wouldn't talk about it as the outcry from the public would be a nightmare.

                                Found this link about what the National Zoo in DC feeds: beef and bunny, mostly, but they give carcasses once a week for "natural" behavior, and also told of a deer that mistakenly jumped into the lion enclosure once. The lion immediately went after it and swatted it down. It got away into the water-filled moat (video) but the zoo had to euthanize it because of its injuries. http://www.livescience.com/33415-zoo...instincts.html

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by ZIL View Post
                                  Our zoo has minis in the petting paddock (though they are not loose with the goats, etc.). So, one's first thought might be that the pony was going to be exhibited. Thanks to COTH, one's second thought should be that there is a possibility the pony would be used to feed the cats.
                                  That was my thought was well: the vet may have thought the 'park' also had a petting zoo or some such arrangement.

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                                  • #57
                                    Back in the day, sending a horse to the kennels in hunt country was the expected and accepted end for a hunting horse or an otherwise useless horse. Old foxhunters would say something like "If they can't serve the hunt in the field, they can serve in the kennels."

                                    You could call the kennelman and ask him to pick up livestock, live or dead. It was a service the hunt provided to members and landowners, and non members if they didn't have enough meat in the freezer for the hounds.

                                    Some people were horrified by this and insisted they would never send an animal to the kennels, others were more pragmatic. Myself? I've buried several that were very special to me, and sent others to the kennels. I have assisted both the veterinarian and the kennelman in euthanasias. The kennelman was an expert in humane euthanasia with a pistol and it was a quick, merciful end - the horses were dead before they hit the ground. I don't think it makes a dime's worth of difference to the horse as long as it's a quick death, it's the humans involved who feel there's a difference.

                                    I would imagine a zoo or animal park is a similar situation.

                                    What a shame that because of political correctness and the RARAs it can no longer be discussed openly.
                                    The plural of anecdote is not data.

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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by Janet View Post
                                      It is one thing to consider the animal park or the hounds for an elderly, infirm, injured or dangerous horse.

                                      It is quite a different thing for a yearling filly whose only fault is that the owner thinks she won't be successful in her chosen discipline.
                                      That's exactly my thought on it. While I could never send one of my own horses to that end, I applaud those who can. I suppose if I ended up responsible for a horse who needed to be put down for some reason, but it wasn't a horse I had any real relationship with, I would consider it. But a healthy baby?

                                      A bullet to the brain is preferable to a slaughterhouse (NOT starting a debate on slaughter, just saying that a quiet trailer ride to a park and quick bullet is less stressful than everything involved in slaughter, so don't start on that whole topic) or starving in a field or being given to someone abusive. I don't think Carrie ending up as lion food would have been the worst thing in the world for her, but it certainly wasn't the best possibility either. And frankly, she's much too cute to be lion food and too small to provide many meals.

                                      Thankfully the owner told the vet so she could use her contacts to look for a home. And FWIW, vet talked to several people before me, and no one knew "wild animal park" = "wild animal food".

                                      Now when a horse is being obnoxious, we threaten them with the wild animal park .

                                      Carrie is adjusting quickly. When she first came, she tended to pin her ears while being petted, she spooked hard at sudden movements, treats were confusing, and the sound of the aisle being swept was terrifying. Now she's eager for attention, spooks slightly at sudden movements, and is a total carrot hound. Yesterday a woman and her two children were petting her, and she was very friendly and comfortable. Definitely not something she would have been okay with in the first couple of days.
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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by McGurk View Post
                                        Back in the day, sending a horse to the kennels in hunt country was the expected and accepted end for a hunting horse or an otherwise useless horse. Old foxhunters would say something like "If they can't serve the hunt in the field, they can serve in the kennels."

                                        You could call the kennelman and ask him to pick up livestock, live or dead. It was a service the hunt provided to members and landowners, and non members if they didn't have enough meat in the freezer for the hounds.

                                        Some people were horrified by this and insisted they would never send an animal to the kennels, others were more pragmatic. Myself? I've buried several that were very special to me, and sent others to the kennels. I have assisted both the veterinarian and the kennelman in euthanasias. The kennelman was an expert in humane euthanasia with a pistol and it was a quick, merciful end - the horses were dead before they hit the ground. I don't think it makes a dime's worth of difference to the horse as long as it's a quick death, it's the humans involved who feel there's a difference.

                                        I would imagine a zoo or animal park is a similar situation.

                                        What a shame that because of political correctness and the RARAs it can no longer be discussed openly.
                                        shucks, ran across a group on FB lately being all up in arms that low and behold, meat packers still operate, supplying zoos with (horse)meat. Lion Tigers and bears, oh my.
                                        Ok, the bears can eat more than just meat, but the big cats? They won't thrive on celery!

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                                        • #60
                                          Carry On is stinkin' Key-Oot!

                                          She looks a bit Hackneyish to me, but I may just be prejudiced (love me some Roman Nose).

                                          LOL! On the name joke.
                                          I admit my 1st thought was her show name s/b Lions & Tigers & Bears Oh My!

                                          And total Pass for the vet - my 1st though hearing "animal park" was Petting Zoo.

                                          I hope Carry On turns out to be a rockstar in whatever she ends up doing!
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