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  • #21
    Carry On / carrion ?

    totally missed it due to the old Kansas tune kicking on in my head!
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    • #22
      Had to Wikipedia Carrion

      But I finally get it......

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      • #23
        This is the wrong board for this thought, but it did enter my head, I admit it. The big cat people probably wish that they could turn a pony loose in the park and let nature take its course.

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        • #24
          That may depend. While it's great to let big cats stalk and hunt naturally...they also often get badly injured hunting big prey. Broken bones and smashed jaws aren't uncommon from hoofed prey and on average only 1 out of 5 (or less) stalks result in a kill.

          But putting a tied bundle of meat on a fast drag would be a good enrichment exercise for big cats. They can experience the stalk, charge, pounce and take down without the potential damage of a live animal and without the fear and pain on the part of the prey. A win/win, but not easy to implement safely.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by amastrike View Post
            So... Meet Carrie:
            picture 1
            picture 2

            Her show name will be Carry On.

            (Get it? )
            That may be one of the best name/story combos ever (macabre though it may be)!!

            Well told.
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            • #26
              I mean, big cats got to eat, same as worms, but a yearling pony?

              I hope she makes HOY!
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                I'm with Equibrit. How does anyone really know anything about the future suitability of a yearling pony?
                I am guessing people with experience in this area actually can pretty well tell. That aside, how tall is this pony?

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
                  That may depend. While it's great to let big cats stalk and hunt naturally...they also often get badly injured hunting big prey. Broken bones and smashed jaws aren't uncommon from hoofed prey and on average only 1 out of 5 (or less) stalks result in a kill.
                  That data is from wild prey. I think besides humane consideration for the prey and safety for the cats, the real reason it's not done is safety for human handlers: Your food is NEVER moving. So stop looking at me that way.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Anne FS View Post
                    This is the wrong board for this thought, but it did enter my head, I admit it. The big cat people probably wish that they could turn a pony loose in the park and let nature take its course.
                    Me too. 30 years ago, enjoying a wine and cheese evening at the National Zoo in D.C. with our firstborn in his stroller, we noted as we passed the mountain lions (well, with the caterwauling, we actually heard it before we got there) that Mr. and Ms. Lion were, well, courting and sparking. But huddled under the log near the um, action, was a live bunny. 'We' noticed and knew why it was in there but I bet most didn't even see it!

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                      #30
                      I'm not sure how big she is now, but she's expected to finish 13.2-13.3. Which now I think of it is probably another reason they didn't want her, she'll probably end up being a small large.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by HorsesinHaiti View Post
                        Carry On / carrion ?

                        totally missed it due to the old Kansas tune kicking on in my head!
                        Oh good, now you've done it, I JUST got that song out of my head this morning after having it in there for three days!

                        (Is this a cosmic sign I should watch more Supernatural?)

                        Anyway, OP, I love Carry On. On its own it's a good name for a pony and the pun is irresistible, macabre though it is. She's got a darling head!
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                          I'm not sure how big she is now, but she's expected to finish 13.2-13.3. Which now I think of it is probably another reason they didn't want her, she'll probably end up being a small large.
                          Preferences aside, height doesn't win competitions. No one told Teddy O he was too short to play with the big dogs before he won the Pan American Games.

                          Filly could turn out to be quite the little spitfire if she can get her carcass around a course in fair form. Then again, she may prove her merit in other capacities outside the show ring. Ya' never know... !
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                          • #33
                            Count me in on the duh moment and glad the name was explained. Very cute name

                            She has lovely eyes and hopefully will make someone a wonderful pony!
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Donkaloosa View Post
                              She's cute! What a terrible end that would have been for Carrie!
                              What an ignoramus the OP's vet was. And no, it would not have been a terrible end for the pony. It would have been an utterly unexpected one. And that ain't so bad as animal deaths can go.

                              A light rant: I think vets should make it their business to know all about different options for disposing of unwanted horses. It's not their job to do that, but they *will* be asked. If they don't know or put the kibosh on a horse being shot in the head by a professional marksman (as happens at wild life places), and if the world is not filled with kindly BOs like the OP's, then what?
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                              • #35
                                Well done, amastrike! What an adorable pony. She has such a kind eye.
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                                • #36
                                  Preferences aside, height doesn't win competitions. No one told Teddy O he was too short to play with the big dogs before he won the Pan American Games.
                                  Teddy O'C was a glorious exception, not the rule.

                                  If she was bred to be a hunter pony, being a 13.3 large is a distinct disadvantage, and a 13.3 large is much, much harder to sell than a 14.2. So I actually could see a breeder selling a 13.3 or 14.3 as a cull from their breeding program. I agree that you can do some assessment of quality and of movement as a yearling, but everything else (jumping ability) takes more time and growth to assess.

                                  What I don't understand is that it's pretty hard to predict adult height from size as a yearling. I've heard of a bunch of different methods that purport to be accurate within an inch or two, most of the time, but none so accurate that I'd base a decision to cull a yearling based on that alone.

                                  I'm guessing that this cute little thing has some other weakness or blemish that the breeder decided would make her tough to sell/not worth the time and money to finish her.

                                  Very glad she has a nice new home with someone who doesn't have such a jaundiced view of her potential.
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                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by mvp View Post
                                    What an ignoramus the OP's vet was.
                                    That's an ignorant, rude, inappropriate, uncalled for comment. What, because someone is a vet they know everything? Please. Why WOULD someone know about feeding horses to lions/tigers/whatever if they've never encountered it? Would it have ever occurred to someone to google "is feeding a horse to the lions at the big cat refuge an option"? The only reason I know is because of COTH, and I'm not going to fault my (or any) vet for being too busy practicing medicine to lurk on internet forums. If you really think it's such a huge knowledge gap, why not suggest to AAEP that they push the information on practitioners? (By the way, if you do, I'll probably hear about it because my "ignoramus" vet is good friends with the president of AAEP.)
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                                      That's an ignorant, rude, inappropriate, uncalled for comment. What, because someone is a vet they know everything? Please. Why WOULD someone know about feeding horses to lions/tigers/whatever if they've never encountered it? Would it have ever occurred to someone to google "is feeding a horse to the lions at the big cat refuge an option"? The only reason I know is because of COTH, and I'm not going to fault my (or any) vet for being too busy practicing medicine to lurk on internet forums. If you really think it's such a huge knowledge gap, why not suggest to AAEP that they push the information on practitioners? (By the way, if you do, I'll probably hear about it because my "ignoramus" vet is good friends with the president of AAEP.)
                                      Ooh, hit a nerve. Apologies. But I stand by what I said and the explanation I gave as to why I think an equine vet should bother to education himself/herself about options for disposing of unwanted horses.

                                      The blank stare and "Why don't you find someone who will want a horse you don't?" lands many, many horses in bad situations. I assume, too, that vets don't want to be called to perform euthanasia on healthy animals that their current owner just can't afford or doesn't want. So, insofar, as this will happen when owners can't find a better solution on their own, why not learn about places to send a HO with a giveaway horse?
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                                      • #39
                                        I have to agree with mvp.
                                        I wasn't surprised the vet didn't get it at first but once you started explaining it, the light bulb should have come on.
                                        Perhaps you live in an affluent, urban area but I would think the topic would at least be discussed in vet school (if not in the curriculum, at least amongst vet students.)

                                        I have been on a few calls with my vet and you don't even want to hear what some of the options discussed were when one of the calls was a horse with a broken leg in a poor, rural area.

                                        I do not expect Suzie horse owner to be aware of the options, but a vet should.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Anne FS View Post
                                          That data is from wild prey. I think besides humane consideration for the prey and safety for the cats, the real reason it's not done is safety for human handlers: Your food is NEVER moving. So stop looking at me that way.
                                          Not to mention that most of the bigs cats at these sanctuaries are born and reared in captivity, many as pets, so they would have no real idea of how to efficiently stalk and kill their prey. They'd be like the lion in Madagascar.
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