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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
    you need to learn to ride with other people, that's all. it has nothing to do with one person being more important than another. it has to do with ring etiquette and rules for sharing a ring. the adjectives you use to make what these people were doing sound SO BAD, don't change that.

    no one is required to call out each and every little thing. you can see what they are doing, and you can get out of their way. they don't have to call out each and every jump. you can see there is a line of jumps and where the person is going, and get out of the line of travel. if you cannot, stop, watch what path they are following, and then adapt to it.

    you're walking, so you get out of the way of the person that is jumping. it has nothing to do with being important, it has to do with ordinary rules of sharing a ring. the fact that you are in the ring doesn't give you full command of what everyone else does there. you have to ride with other people. and yes, if you do not, of course you will be asked to ride in another spot, and eventually to leave the barn. i suspect you aren't as rude and selfish as this post makes you seem, and that you are just ignorant of how to ride with others.

    if the rider was rude, doesn't change that fact. you need to learn to ride with others. you can keep your horse walking when others enter the ring, they aren't required to stand in the aisle and scream, ''OKAAAYY....i'm COMING INTO THE REEEEENG...is everyone REDEEEEEE'' you and they just work together, pay attention, and follow the rules that are customary at that barn.

    the horse that is walking yields to horses that are jumping, trotting and cantering, usually by walking in off the rail, but also by walking away from the path of the jumper.

    the horse that is jumping usually does a canter circle at one end of the ring, then jumps a series of jumps in a line on the long side and stops. it really isn't hard to stay out of their way when you are working at a walk. walk on the other long side, and make two small circles at each end of the ring, and let them work. when you are more advanced and have more control of your horse you can work more alongside them and in unison with them.

    riders pass ''left to left'' in most rings, so when you are going left, you stay on the track, and the other rider comes to the inside and passes you, so your left shoulder is nearest their left shoulder. when you are going right, you come in off the track. if you keep your eyes up and keep your horse moving, you can use the presence of other riders to school your horse, making circles, turns and figures that fit in with what the other riders are doing.

    horses at the walk, whether cooling out or schooling the walk, work to the inside off the track, and yield to all other horses.

    circles and diagonal lines and any changes of direction figures finish to the INSIDE of riders riding on the track. there is NO halting on the track, ride into the middle off the track, check behind you and halt there. horses performing lateral work and horses that are green and out of control get whatever right of way they need to assist their riders in regaining control of them.

    if a rider is erratic or doesn't follow a path you can anticipate, work at the other end of the ring and maintain a half ring between the two of you at all times. in other words if they are in the middle of the long side you are on the opposite long side, if they are on the short side of the arena you are on the far short side of the arena.

    the above are common rules often used in arenas. watch the experienced riders and learn what the rules are for sharing the ring at your facility.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    WOW, wrong is always. I am soo glad you are always here to be rude and wrong!

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    • Where is the moderators? Is is just me or is the golden rule of the bb being broken?? Guys play nice.

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      • I agree Karosel...we should all play nice!!


        And lets start by playing nice with Ride'emVa's cute eventer


        Ride'em VA we are literally across the river from each other!


        M
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        • All I have to say is that the girl who was jumping had better not ever qualify for Harrisburg. She would never be able to handle schooling there.

          BTW-I have a "plow horse" too.

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          • I'm with Moesha (BTW, check your PTs): let's figure out who the cute eventer is.

            Seriously though, I'd bet that GP could highlight the contract, call her lawyer, stand on her rights, and protest her treatment. She's entitled -- it sounds like the barn manager and princess were hideous. But in the long run, stepping on a turd only makes it flatter. Getting out may be the best thing, and being able to do so with your head high and without taking steps towards the karma train, well, that's probably better for your gut anyway. Good luck, regardless. I would have let the draft cross nail her.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moesha:
              And lets start by playing nice with Ride'emVa's cute eventer


              Ride'em VA we are literally across the river from each other!

              M<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              He's a Greenie, needs to be taught to play nice...think we can handle it?
              If you must choose between two evils, choose the one that you've never tried before.

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              • My question is, what was she doing riding without her coach right there???

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                • I'm only on page 5 right now, but I wondered if the barn manager is the barn owner. If not, you should write a letter of complaint to the owner about the barn manager. It was high handed and rude. If she's the owner, too, it won't do any good, but if she's not, the owner very likely would not like her evicting good long term boarders over something so arbitrary.

                  Kathy Johnson
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                  • OK I have a half draft...here's what I've done. I taught my horse to jump and got off and reset all the jumps then he knocks half of them over because I purposely lack impulsion and I take a LONG time resetting them! And I can see their unhappiness so I offer to just ride on the outside line "if thats ok with you!" and forget the jumping! They are usually quite happy to let me just ride by then!! BTW My horse has been a fieldhunter for 16 seasons and can outjump hers!

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                    • Karosel, this is a very modest debate, you should see what goes on sometimes in the Breeders Forum - oh, wait, you can't, there's a moratorium on discussions involving Oldenburg/ISR.
                      And those folk have been very civil lately - probably too busy with their imminent new foals to get all involved in BB debates.

                      Ride'em VA - I didn't take it as ever being about different riding styles or disciplines -to me it's about everybody paying the same board rate for the use of facilities and then someone being told their dollars do not in fact buy the same facilities and usage as other people's dollars.
                      That is just offensive.
                      Only one cat - must not be totally crazy yet!

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                      • Not confused and I stand by my post. What I can't seem to explain properly is the difference between someone being "at fault" which giant pony certainly is NOT, and still being able to learn something from the expereince to stop it from being a pattern.

                        For many people, women especially, these sorts of instincts are about learning to trust our gut. Perhaps GP had some inner qualms about this place, but shut them down because "logic" told her it was a great barn. Maybe she felt some uneasiness about the situation, and she chose not to listen to that. I can't speak for her, obviously, but it never hurts to consider all the things which led up to such an unpleasant expereince.

                        Saying that learning to stay away from troublemakers, which is something everyone, horsie or not should try to do, is not that same as saying it's your fault if someone else is s trouble maker. Just like examining why something happenend, and your role in it is not the same as being a doormat.

                        If I were in GP's shoes, and had had something like that happen, I'm sure I would have popped off to the wench WAY more than she did (I have a temper you see), AND I would have raised holy hell with evil banr manager, and stapled that boarding contract to her HEAD. But, when I stopped seeing red, I would have sat down and carefully examined the situation, and tried to find the series of events that led me to being in that situation, and I would have formulated a plan as to how to avoid those types of situations, AND the people who cause them in the future. I'm far from perfect, but my goal is to someday be able to do step two, without having to go through the drama of step one. But I'm not yet evolved enough to manage it.

                        You all took slc's post as a condemnation of riding skill. I took it as a life lesson. What ever works for you.

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                        • I agree with GotSpots, couldn't you take this to the court of small claims, and atleast get your months worth of board back or stay until you find a place to go? JMO.
                          GP I have SO much respect for you! I can't believe how calm you are throughout this whole thing. I'd be through the roof (granted I'm a 'hormonal' teen ) No excuse! Seriously, you take everything with such a great attitude! That's awesome, and hard to find in some people. I'm happy to have read your posts.
                          P.S. How old was the rider?

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by evenstar:
                            Ride'em VA - I didn't take it as ever being about different riding styles or disciplines -to me it's about everybody paying the same board rate for the use of facilities and then someone being told their dollars do not in fact buy the same facilities and usage as other people's dollars.
                            That is just offensive.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I know - and I totally agree with you. I was referring to certain comments that have been made, like, "That's why I stick with Eventers". It's silly to imply that a rider of a certain discipline is more or less likely to be nasty or rude - or on the flip side, more or less likely to be kind and decent and fun.
                            If you must choose between two evils, choose the one that you've never tried before.

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                            • MeOOOOOOWWW. . .

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                              • assuming 2-8 are more of the same...
                                the only relevant rule where we use to board was LESSONS have the right of way, and 3 pages of other non related rules.
                                SOOOOO happy to have the horses at home despite all the work.

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                                • Heather, I agree with what you said and if SLC had put it in a similar manner, I don't think her post would have elicited the responses it did. However, when she writes things like, "i suspect you aren't as rude and selfish as this post makes you seem, and that you are just ignorant of how to ride with others" and "if the rider was rude, doesn't change that fact. you need to learn to ride with others" which directed the words "rude", "selfish", and "ignorant" at GP and made it appear as if GP was at fault and the other rider was justified in her actions, I don't think it is unreasonable for GP and others to be offended and voice their feelings.

                                  We all know that written mediums put us at a disadvantage in communicating because of the lack of facial expressions, voice intonation, etc. that help to clue others in on our true feelings. It is also no secret on this BB that SLC writes in a way that many people take in a negative manner. Given these two facts, if I were SLC, I would try very hard to avoid using the words that she does and rethink my method of written communication. If I didn't, then I shouldn't be surprised if my posts continue to rub people the wrong way. You can't continue to do the same thing over and over and expect an outcome different than what has already occurred. At that point, it would be time to take personal responsibility for your actions, don't expect others to change, and make the required changes yourself.

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                                  • I have now read a lot of this thread. There is one thing I can't figure out.

                                    Is this a pity party or a lynching?
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                                    • I think the reason some people mentioned eventers would be more polite is because in eventing it is customary to call out your jumps. At the warm-up ring of an event you hear a constant barrage of "heads-up oxer" "heads-up verticle" etc. (perhaps to the extent of overkill where you ignore it like the boy who cried wolf but that is another topic altogether). It seems that at H/J warmup rings this is less common, I haven't been able to figure out how they determine right-of-way in H/J warmup. One of my friends once joked to me that it is the person with the biggest name trainer who has ROW. :-)

                                      I think both sides of this dispute had some validity to start with.

                                      I see nothing wrong with a person who is hacking while someone is jumping to ask that person to call out their jumps. And it is okay to call out each and every jump, especially if you see that there is another horse in the arena at the end of your line who may or may not be in the way when you get to the end of that line.

                                      It is also okay to ask for right of way when you are schooling over jumps vs. someone who is mainly walking with a little bit of trotting interspersed. The reason I think this is okay is because you can do walking exercises pretty much anywhere in the arena but you can only jump where the jumps are set up.

                                      The biggest problem here is that the person who was jumping didn't ask for right of way before hand, just expected that other rider would keep an eye out for her and yield, and then she escalated the dispute to the barn manager without even trying to work it out nicely. Some people are just like that, and GP will probably be happy in a different barn if that is how things go at this one.

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by evenstar:
                                        Karosel, this is a very modest debate, you should see what goes on sometimes in the Breeders Forum - oh, wait, you can't, there's a moratorium on discussions involving Oldenburg/ISR.
                                        And those folk have been very civil lately - probably too busy with their imminent new foals to get all involved in BB debates.

                                        Ride'em VA - I didn't take it as ever being about different riding styles or disciplines -to me it's about everybody paying the same board rate for the use of facilities and then someone being told their dollars do not in fact buy the same facilities and usage as other people's dollars.
                                        That is just offensive.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Yes I read the Oldenburg thread, and may have even posted on it.. cant remember at the moment. To me it doesnt matter if one thread is worse than the other. A rule of the bb has been broken, several times. This thread should be closed (if the ripping apart of one person continues), or at least have the moderator step in and give a warning. I do not see why asking someone why they are such a dick should be allowed.

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                                        • I defenately know where your coming from,cuz i had the same problem myself at another barn.i think that was totally unfair too.i personnaly find that big barns like that always have some kind of quirk like that.if i was in your spot right now i would actually would move out and find a barn/arena that i was actually welcome and be able to enjoy riding,for the amount of money you are paying to use the facilities in the first place.i would also say that to the manager too.its like,what am i paying you for if i can't use the arena,without being kicked out by show rider/or being plowed down by other riders.i also think that rider was very rude at calling yourhorse names too.e.g.plow horse.etc...well i think it would be to your enjoyment to move and find somewhere where your welcome.my 2 cents.
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