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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
    criticize me all you want, i stand by my original feeling on this one. you have to stay away from the troublemakers, and if you are so experienced, you know how, you see them coming from a mile off, and you handle them with aplomb.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    hence....I think why everyone is steering clear of slc... we're all "experienced" enough to "stay away from the troublemakers" and we can "see them coming from a mile off"...

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    • I haven't read all the responses yet, but I have a little experience on the OTHER SIDE.

      There's been a barn rule, request actually, by my barn owner/mgr that the 4 or 5 days prior to my leaving for an event the jumps I have set up are NOT to be moved. She overheard me gripping once that I wished people wouldn't have to move EVERY jump out of the large outdoor everyday, couldn't they leave a few up??!!
      She also asks that no one ride during my lessons...again, this is her and not me asking (although it is VERY appreciated! ), but seeing as she has the "power" over the boarders, her word goes.
      Obviously I am the ONLY jumper at the barn and one of 3 that show.

      I am not evil, I did not stomp & whine, it just happened this way. I have told other boarders this, while admitting that I do like it! Perhaps they got the impression that you were going out of your way to be IN THE WAY of the lady? I could see that as being very upsetting.

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      • GP, that is just ridiculous!! Definately make a copy of the barn contract with the parts highlightes showing you were in the right and hand them to BM as you leave. You do not need to put up with that kind of crap.

        I don't care if you are an olympic champion or a rank beginner, everyone needs to know proper ring etiquette and follow it! There are only 4 of us at the barn I am at. The oldest daughter and I are very strict with the two younger girls about proper ring etiquette. While they may not really need it at home, there are plenty of times at shows and at 4H camp that they will need to know it.

        I have learned to always skip SLC's post when I read because I have yet to read anything from her that has been worthwhile. I can see that I was wise to stick to that once again.

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olympicprincess:
          I haven't read all the responses yet, but I have a little experience on the OTHER SIDE.

          There's been a barn rule, request actually, by my barn owner/mgr that the 4 or 5 days prior to my leaving for an event the jumps I have set up are NOT to be moved. She overheard me gripping once that I wished people wouldn't have to move EVERY jump out of the large outdoor everyday, couldn't they leave a few up??!!
          She also asks that no one ride during my lessons...again, this is her and not me asking (although it is VERY appreciated! ), but seeing as she has the "power" over the boarders, her word goes.
          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          There's a big difference between not riding during someone else's lesson, which I don't think anyone here would have such an issue with, and being able to share a schooling space. In this instance, neither rider was having a lesson, and the simple fact that the other rider was "schooling" for a show does not make it more important.

          There's no earthly reason that both these riders couldn't have shared the same space. Even if the OP had (wittingly or not) gotten in the jumping rider's way, the jumper could have handled it in a better manner. From what the OP said, she did everything according to barn policy, and had just as much right to work on walking and steering with her greenie (regardless of breed) as the other rider had to come in and jump.

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          • Send little show princess to the racetrack. I guarantee you her first instance of failing to call "ho back" in the shedrow would be her last.

            And Lord help her if she weren't to follow rules of courtesy (i.e., safety) on the track itself..... one little time...... there ain't no "steering clear" 'round these parts......

            Two Toofs
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            • Hahaha Two Toofs. Amen.

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              • Amen, Two Toofs. I'd love to see a few of the indoor arena - horse show princesses out on a racetrack where everyone has a job to do and expects them to do theirs too. Maybe we could get one of the networks interested in the concept for a new "reality show"?

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                • I've already stated I think the way giantpony was treated is outrageous.

                  That being said, I'm a little mystified about why you are all screaming for slc's blood. How many threads here have we read about people not taking personal repsonsibility for things which happen in their lives? It strikes me that slc is one of the few people I've ever met who takes total responsibility for everything going on her life. She's never said, poor me, she's never felt vicitmized, she's never done anything but been focused on a goal and heading towards it. The way she faces the world is to say, X happened and was bad, what did I do to contribute to X and how can I prevent X from happening again. She is more willing to change herself, than other people.

                  Most of us, including me, can't live that way--becauase it's so much easier to be a victim. So it's not an slc is right and everyone else is wrong, or vice versa, it's just a different way of looking at the world.

                  I don't agree with everyhting she says, heck, I don't agree with a lot of what she says, but it is RARE that her posts don't make me think, REALLY think, about a topic from another angle. And it's rare that I don't try to think about her world view when I'm performing a debrief on something in my life has gone wrong, and I'm trying to figure out why.

                  My take is, things happen for a reason, and we can create negative patterns in our lives without realizing it. I went through a period in my 20s where I had several major ugly breakups with besst friends. I spent some time saying, why do all the crazy people come into my life and screw it up. Being the victim. But when I began to see how I was contributing to the pattern that brought these people into my life, and how I was enabling the relationships and the breakups, only then was I able to stop the pattern. It wasn't my "fault" but it was part of a greater pattern I was creating. The people involved were nuts and nasty, but that didn't absolve me from seeing what I had done to create the pattern.

                  slc sees these patterns all the time. If you don't, or don't want to, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to flame her for seeing things differently.

                  I took slc's post as saying, basically, there are difficult people everywhere, and you need to learn how to work around the nutjobs, or you are never going to be comfortable and happy anywhere. That's not the same as saying giantpony is at "fault", nor is it the same as saying the other person is anything other than a flaming jerk (and on track for a real unpleasant ride on the karma train), but it is saying, hey, this happenend, and it may happen again . . . how will you deal with it next time so that maybe you won't get the short end of the crap stick?

                  Saying something is "unfair" is fine, but that and a bus token get's you to CHicago. The question is, what will you do the next time a jerky horsperson (not exactly a rare breed) gets in your face?

                  Maybe this pattern is about giantpony more honestly evaluating the type of place she wants to baord at, maybe it's about her really listening to her gut about the attitudes and behavior of other folks in a prospective barn. It doesn't make the other people less of jerks, but there is always a deeper pattern.

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                  • I guess it's the point that the other rider expected her to leave the ring that gets to most people.

                    Hey, if the original post had said that the other rider complained that GiantPony was getting in her way, I would have said "hey, even if she's not calling her jumps--which is bad--you could probably still work around her. Sure, it's not fair or right, but can be done."

                    However, the other rider didn't want GiantPony working around her. She wanted her out of the ring.

                    So, when slc says "you should take responsibility for your actions and try to avoid making it an issue with this person" how the heck could that be done without just, well, leaving the ring?

                    slc gave all kinds of ways to avoid the other rider--but that's not what she wanted. She wanted GiantPony out of the ring.

                    I'm sorry. I guess giving in to a bully is a way to avoid conflict. But not one I'd recommend.



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                    • [QUOTE]Originally posted by Heather:


                      I took slc's post as saying, basically, there are difficult people everywhere, and you need to learn how to work around the nutjobs, or you are never going to be comfortable and happy anywhere. That's not the same as saying giantpony is at "fault", nor is it the same as saying the other person is anything other than a flaming jerk (and on track for a real unpleasant ride on the karma train), but it is saying, hey, this happenend, and it may happen again . . . how will you deal with it next time so that maybe you won't get the short end of the crap stick?

                      [QUOTE]

                      Okay maybe is is just a regional thing but in the places where I have lived when someone starts out something with "You need to learn...." whatever follows is considered to be a repremand.

                      and this statement in SLC's subsequent post seems to further at least the appearance that she feels GP is at fault.

                      "my point is this: if you are so experienced and know so well how to ride, the problem would never have happened."

                      Just thought I would clear up your apparent confusion.

                      The real point of GP's original post is the behaviour of the Barn Manager after the incident. Which was unprofessional and basically a diservice to both riders as the one doing the jumping has now learned that tantrums do pay off. Though I have a feeling she may already know that, for her at least, it is true.

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                      • I GUARANTEE that if the situation was reversed and it was Miss Snotty-Snot on a three-year-old, she would have reamed you a new one for not calling your jumps, and for scaring her Greenie. Some people's sense of entitlement is just WAY too healthy. She'll get hers, and you'll be better off not surrounded by lunatics!
                        If you must choose between two evils, choose the one that you've never tried before.

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                        • Great Post Chaotic Mind,
                          Dwelling on someone's bad behavior is never going to help you. There is nothing you can do about people who act for lack of a better word.....ridiculous.

                          The remarks were rude and just plain stupid and show a real lack of maturity on anyone's part who would make such comments to someone....again lack of class regardless of any level or discipline.

                          The barn manager was completey unprofessional..but is only human..the best thing to do is let thigsg like this slide unless they afffect you to the point you and your horse are compromised in some way..then leave...spend your time and money somewhere where it will be appreciated and your concerns and cares met.


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                          • Slightly OT, but can we please resist the urge to stereotype people of other riding disciplines? It's actually part of what GP is having trouble with at her now former barn...she is no less important because she trail rides, and doesn't currently show.

                            So it's not a "Dressage Thing", or a "Hunter Thing" or an "Eventer Thing" - not all members of every discipline are the same. I have done some dressage, some eventing, a lot of Hunter and Jumper, and I have met snotty know-it-alls and rude wenches in every sport.

                            Just the other night I met a very cute guy who Events. Unfortunately he is also of the opinion that he is MUCH more knowledgeable than I am because he Events and I do NOT! He proceeded to lecture me on what to do with my horse and how to do it. I will count him as the exception because I know many other Event riders who are not pushy know-it-alls.

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                            • I think part of the issue is that some people who show think they are more important than people who don't show. Just because you don't show, it doesn't mean that you don't take your riding seriously.

                              Let's also face it, some show riders carry on like they were headed to the Olympics, where in reality they are low level riders who will never get very far.

                              Tosca

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                              • Ride'em VA....another great post....no one is more knowledgeable because of their discipline.....and as has been dais in various ways by various people....The only fool is the fool who thinks he knows everything...a true horsperson knows that they will never learn all there is and keeps their mind and heart open.

                                p.s too bad about the cute guy's attitude
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                                • Tosca....I am laughing so hard over that last line of yours!!!


                                  Really...I would never think there were people like that...
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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
                                    criticize me all you want, i stand by my original feeling on this one. you have to stay away from the troublemakers, and if you are so experienced, you know how, you see them coming from a mile off, and you handle them with aplomb.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    So, do we pay attention to the _words_ or the diametrically opposed _example_?

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ejm:
                                      Maybe we could get one of the networks interested in the concept for a new "reality show"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Put 12 princesses in a backside 50 stall barn with 5 horses shedrowing at a time (15 foot wide shedrow) and make them clean stalls & take the walkers in & out. Last one left standing wins a million?

                                      Two Toofs
                                      (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moesha:
                                        p.s too bad about the cute guy's attitude <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Two Toofs:
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ejm:
                                          Maybe we could get one of the networks interested in the concept for a new "reality show"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Put 12 princesses in a backside 50 stall barn with 5 horses shedrowing at a time (15 foot wide shedrow) and make them clean stalls & take the walkers in & out. Last one left standing wins a million?

                                          Two Toofs
                                          (formerly - but still - NDANO)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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