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"Less important" riders have to give arena right of way to MORE important riders??

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  • #81
    my point is this: if you are so experienced and know so well how to ride, the problem would never have happened. you would have seen that girl coming from a mile off and avoided her like the plague and she would have plopped blissfully around and nothing would have blown up in your face.

    there's always one in every barn, sometimes there are 3 or 4. you stay away from them, that's all, you just stay away from them.

    criticize me all you want, i stand by my original feeling on this one. you have to stay away from the troublemakers, and if you are so experienced, you know how, you see them coming from a mile off, and you handle them with aplomb.

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    • #82
      Awesome slc - I'm moving into the stable that you are at and run rampant all over the place not letting you get a moments peace when you would like to get some work done in the arena.

      I'll borrow the big ol' Dutch horse I used to ride who's favourite games were bumper cars and scare the bejeesus out of the other horse by threatening a head on collision. I never had so much fun on a horse in my life. Of course I played with other people and horses who enjoyed the same games but this could be a new challenge and a new form of delightful entertainment.

      There is NO excuse for being a RUDE arena hog! And walking on egg shells every time one shows up is not a solution.

      giantpony - I'm so sorry that you are having to go through all of this. There really is no excuse for such behaviour and it's appalling that the BM sided with the spoilt brat. Good luck at your new place - it HAS to be friendlier!

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      • #83
        Girls, get off SLC's case...(not that she needed my support)

        I didn't like her post either, but guessing she was trying to show the other side of the medal...

        And don't knock the Dressage world, granted, DQs ruin it for all, but if all would take it up as the basics, the world would only be better!

        Giantpony, I am totaly floored! A half strike and you're out? Souns like the lesson Princess needs another stall for a nother horse to be selected by the trainer?

        Hope you find a nice place where you don't have to brave blizzards in the outdoor to plow around (sorry, couldn't help myself )

        You should find a draft fan with a four-in-one hitch and have him come over, with all the bells and whistles: *Oh, I am just looking at a couple of horses, Princess, Hope you don't mind, get that skinny nag out of the ring, I need it now!*

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        • #84
          I disagree slc- if this girl is jumping and showing in the A's then she TOO can learn to negotiate an arena without causing problems. Also if she jumps a line eratically it IS her responsibility to call the line. Maybe because you are mostly involved with dressage you don't understand that IS common etiquite.

          I run a boarding facility and give low level lessons. I have no problem bringing a rider to task if they DON'T call the line. And if in not calling a line they almost cause a collision OR the other rider has to halt then I really come unglued. There is no reason to not THINK when you are on a horse. There are enough ways already to get hurt or killed.

          The WRITTEN policy in my boarding agreement is that the arena is for riding. Not for one person but for all. They have to cooperate- and it works fairly well. I even have some folks that are working vey green horses and when the want to canter the other riders will move to the center of the arena- if I had a rider like you mentioned she would not last long at my place!

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            #85
            slc, you're probably right. The whole scene is likely my fault. Im not sure why my mind reading powers failed me, how do you keep yours so sharp?

            I dont believe in running away from bullies. If you allow yourself to be bullied all your life, then eventually all that resentment has to overflow somewhere, perhaps in a place you deem safe, perhaps somewhere like a public BB?

            I would ask that everyone get off slc's case and just treat them as bullies should be treated... and ignore their posts. Obviously they have different experiences than many of us and everyone's opinion is valuable, sometimes you just have to look harder and think longer to see the value.

            And good luck with your therapeutic riding program slc, I hope you find the fufillment and happiness you are so obviously searching for. If there's anything you'd like to know about running a therapeutic riding program, feel free to ask, I've been a volunteer instructor for about 15 years. It can be very fufilling, especially if you have some way of coping with the inevitable burn out that occurs.

            Im off to see more boarding facilities *crosses fingers*

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            • #86
              Hopefully, the rider who thought she was too important to use common courtesy will find herself riding with someone even more rude than she is! And, at that rate, the barn manager will find herself with an empty barn if she keeps evicting people . You're probably better off finding a place with REAL horsemen, who think of their horses, as you do, as partners and best friends , not as a way to fill up a wall with ribbons. Your money is just as green as hers . She seems to have skipped a step in her training- courtesy. Hope you and your girl find that great place.

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              • #87
                Amy... totally agree.

                I've had greenies myself and totally understand the lack of power steering & "brake" concept. So if I'm schooling my mare with others on their greenies, I let them have the wall & I stay to the center.

                GP... good luck in your search! Pleasee keep us posted!

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                • #88
                  SLC, why are you such a dick?

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                  • #89
                    I remember when the rule was ... the person doing the more advanced/faster work was the one responsible for looking out for others in the ring & left to left (or right to right) only.

                    None of this faster/lateral work gets the rail. Who was responsible for turning the ring into a roller rink? If you couldn't maneuver through the other riders at a trot/canter whatever. In my experience, the "faster/lateral gets priority" rule has resulted in more crashes and people coming barreling up behind someone trotting screaming "Rail" and then crashing into you becuase you didn't move over because they had the right of way?

                    Who the heck decided riders could see through the back of their helmets and came up with this one anyway????

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                    • #90
                      I've been reading this thread trying to just bite my lip but I have to say I'm sorry you've been placed in such awfull circmstances. Whenever people are thrown randomly into situations like a barn there are often "favored fellows" that worm their way into some position of priority. I can't believe it went as far as it did but ... you'll be better off when the dust settles. When she insulted your horse you should have put on a big inocent smile and said, "You went to that Carnegie Charm School ... didn't you?" And don't let slc get to you, she was and abused child.

                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
                      my point is this: ... , i stand by my original feeling on this one. you have to stay away from the troublemakers, and if you are so experienced, you know how, you see them coming from a mile off, and you handle them with aplomb.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      BS! That wasn't the tennor of your original post at all!

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                      • #91
                        Wow SLC, you called my a selfish brat last week when I was simply asking for suggestions on how to be nicer to someone and then you call giantpony selfish for getting kicked out of the barn... Well I think you're being incredibly selfish by thrusting your nasty opinions on someone who just wants advise and always managing to ruin peaceful threads.

                        giantpony- that's really not fair but you'll be much better off at another barn. This is just a blessing in diguise.

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                        • #92
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
                          my point is this: if you are so experienced and know so well how to ride, the problem would never have happened. you would have seen that girl coming from a mile off and avoided her like the plague and she would have plopped blissfully around and nothing would have blown up in your face.

                          there's always one in every barn, sometimes there are 3 or 4. you stay away from them, that's all, you just stay away from them.

                          criticize me all you want, i stand by my original feeling on this one. you have to stay away from the troublemakers, and if you are so experienced, you know how, you see them coming from a mile off, and you handle them with aplomb.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          I don't want to be part of a "pile on," I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that unless you stay out of the way of everyone and anyone regardless of how crazed they are in the arena you deserve to be kicked out of the barn?

                          I must be reading something wrong.



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                          • #93
                            Good luck in your search for a new barn, Giantpony. I have only read page 1 and page 5 (extreme laziness factor kicking in today!) but I think that everyone deserves courtesy and respect. YOU deserve a better barn!! As another poster said, "a blessing in disguise!!"!!

                            And for the record...I was taught to ALWAYS call your line when you're jumping in a ring with other people. It's just common (or UNcommon) courtesy and good manners to do so!!

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                            • #94
                              I'd take a crop to any of my students if they acted like that. We've had a couple minor incidents with people being rude, but with only one arena, everyone has to learn to share. I even let people ride in the ring while I'm doing lessons if they ask nicely.

                              giantpony, I'm so sorry that you had to encounter a situation like that, but like many others have said, I have a feeling you'll be better off in another barn.

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                              • #95
                                Before you leave....
                                to really make a statement
                                teach your sweet plow horse
                                how to jump!

                                I used to jump a full draft and he loffed to knock over jumps and break them....it would teach a lesson.

                                Honestly, good luck with a new barn, and I hope that lady's horse bucks her off at the next show! And please give your sweet little draftie a big hug and carrots from me!

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                                • #96
                                  Come on guys, cut SLC a break. She comes from a discipline where your eyes are supposed to be trained on your horse's neck at ALL times while you're riding in an arena. So dressagers obviously have developed mental telepathy in order to deal with others in the ring. It really is just another way hunter/jumpers are evolutionarily behind dressage riders. Once we've honed our mental telepathy like the dressage riders, we too can abandon looking ahead and just stare constantly at our horse's necks to monitor their carriage

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                                  • #97
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rifter:
                                    Come on guys, cut SLC a break. She comes from a discipline where your eyes are supposed to be trained on your horse's neck at ALL times while you're riding in an arena. So dressagers obviously have developed mental telepathy in order to deal with others in the ring. It really is just another way hunter/jumpers are evolutionarily behind dressage riders. Once we've honed our mental telepathy like the dressage riders, we too can abandon looking ahead and just stare constantly at our horse's necks to monitor their carriage

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                                    LOL...and you win extra points for the use of the new word "evolutionarily"

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                                    • #98
                                      that's baloney, no dressage people are told to look at the neck. if they do it's because they're beginners or nervous - give 'em a break.

                                      and my point is NOT that the other rider wasn't acting like a complete idiot. she was. she was acting like a complete moron and throwing her weight around her little pond. and that's not just annoying, it's pitiful.

                                      but...there are two sides to every argument, and if she came in here, she'd say just about what i said, and you all would be sympathizing with her TOO.

                                      in fact, a number of you have. without knowing it, you've sympathized with the two complainants of one conflict, more than a half a dozen times in the past year, and never even known it. because each person's version of the story was so different that you never even realized it was the same conflict that you had sided with the OTHER side a few weeks before.

                                      it's all in who's telling the tale, that's what colors the tale.

                                      we did that in the dressage forum, a girl wrote about 10 case histories, worded 'her way' and asked, ''is this abuse?'' and i took every single one of them, reworded them, gave them a little bit different color, and all of a sudden they were seen in a completely different light.

                                      and no. the other girl wasn't right. not by any long shot. i don't expect any of you to see what i mean...but i will bet any amount of money that given the right wording, you'd be all over sympathizing with the other girl if she came in here and told ''her side of the story''. it really all depends on who's doing the talking.

                                      and that is what every single complainant in here needs to - at some point - realize. that there are two sides to every argument, and until you start to see the other side of the argument, you will NEVER be able to handle the problems in your life in an effective way.

                                      you all can give all the sympathy in the world - and you will NEVER change that. ever.

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                                      • #99
                                        "Evolutionarily" really is a word. Not like "indepthly". "Indepthly" is only a word that can be used on internet bbs to describe how one has studied conformation. Glad to clarify for you.

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                                          slc, You have a point. It's true that I only gave my side of the story, that's the only side *I* can be sure of. I can imagine what her side may well be, but without having a real in depth chat with the person about how she felt and what she perceived was happening, I cannot be sure I would tell it correctly.

                                          I can imagine perhaps she had some important (to her) show and maybe she felt her and her horse weren't quite ready. I can imagine at that time of day (an unusual one for her to be at the barn) that she had to make some sort of special arrangements to get there and was bummed about it.

                                          I can imagine that she arrived at the barn and quick tacked up so she could spend as much time schooling as possible before she had to run off to work, school, a therapy appointment, whatever. I can imagine she was hoping to have the whole arena to herself and was disappointed when she found it occupied, Im sure that upset her. (In her mind she might think, "Afterall I had to do to get here today to get in extra practise, someone has the nerve to be screwing around in the arena"). I can imagine that perhaps if your schooling plan was not to warm up your horse by walking when its - 15 F and just get right to work, you might behave as she did.

                                          I can imagine if it was a jumper show she was practising for (this gets tougher to actually imagine, but I'll keep going) that maybe she thought she would try jumping random jumps, so her horse couldn't anticipate the next and perhaps even work on very tight inside turns.

                                          I can also imagine that maybe if you're a little frantic anyhow, that jumping in an arena with someone else watching and that other person is riding a horse that's the same height but twice your horse's weight might be intimidating.

                                          However, my imagination breaks down when it comes to being impolite and insulting the other person's horse. I can never imagine the situation that might've brought that on.

                                          I also cannot imagine going to the BM after finding out that person will only be another 10 minutes. I cannot imagine a BM siding with a person like this (Obviously there's more to the story thats unknown to even me) and evicting a person, even if it WAS there fault (which I dont buy).

                                          That is one of the million possible explanations, maybe she was beaten by her father that day, maybe she had PMS, maybe she's an impolite snot that thinks the world revolves around her and has tantrums on a regular basis, maybe, maybe...

                                          However, we'll never know. Somehow, being rude and impolite are not good conductors to effective communication, but Im positive you know that.

                                          In my original post, I was not asking for anyone to sympathize with me, I specifically asked, "Has anyone ever heard of anything like this before?? Am I missing something??" and I said I didnt understand the situation and I was hopeful that someone would shed some light on it.

                                          That aside, I checked my boarding agreement and this is the exact wording from the agreement.
                                          "All riders (boarders, part boarders, students, anyone mounted on horseback) are permitted to use the riding facilities (indoor arena, outdoor rind, round pen, fields and hacking trails) at their own risk. The regulation of usage of the facilities will not be monitored by the establishment. Riders are expected to share the facilities equally. If a dispute arises regarding right-of-way, the person that arrived first into the facility naturally has right-of-way and can enforce this for up to 20 minutes, while the other person involved in the dispute waits or uses a different facility. This right-of-way is waived if there are 2 or more persons waiting to use the facility."

                                          Another part of that same section,
                                          "Persons entering an enclosed riding area (indoor arena or outdoor ring) are required to alert any rider already in the riding area and wait for verification to open doors and gates. This is to prevent any horses with less experienced rider aboard from leaving the riding area."

                                          I suppose after I load my mare on the trailer, that I will hand over a copy of the boarding agreement with some relevent parts highlighted.

                                          On a better note, one of the facilities I saw today, looks very nice, is a very limited show barn, seems to have more older (over 20) riders, but they wont have a stall available until March 1. I have one more to see, but if it doesnt work out, Im going to see if I can convince them to let me pasture board (they dont offer it)for a month, and I'll agree to do whatever extra work that it would cause them. If I get really pinched, I can move my mare about 1.5 hours away to a friend's place for a month, but I'd really rather avoid going so far, if I can.

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