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  • #41
    Originally posted by Pat:
    Colleent-WHAT?!?! What planet are you on sister? You obviously have been brainwashed as well, or you havent taken the time to research PETA to see them for what they really are.

    PETA is not the ASPCA. They are not just a bunch of veggies who want the world to stop eating meat and wear pleather. They happily release domestic animals into the wild to die. Not just lab animals either, happy pet animals too. They don't work to improve the care and housing of animals, they work to have them released from human ownership! If you did know this you know it now! It is absolutely true and has been stated by thier leadership time and again.

    Can someone kindly refresh my memory on the exact wording, but thier president did say some thing to the effect of "one generation and out." Meaning no selective breeding.
    Me thinks you've been a little brainwashed on the other side. Not that I don't think PETAis a little radical for some people's taste, but making comments like "They happily release domestic animals into the wild to die. Not just lab animals either, happy pet animals too. They don't work to improve the care and housing of animals, they work to have them released from human ownership!" is just as much incorrect.

    I support a lot of what PETA does and some I think is going too far, but I think the reality of PETA is that they are far closer to the middle than you present them. I was actively involved with PETA when I was in college and never once heard any of the really radical speak you refer to.

    There are crazies in every organization, from the liberal to conservative. The way you speak about PETA is IMO the same as referring to Muslims as all being terrorists.
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    • #42
      Originally posted by cosmos mom:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">WTH is wrong with you? have you ever read anything about PeTA
      http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald....news/news2.txt </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Without doubt, there are bad apples in every bunch. But you can't criticize an entire organization for a few bad ones.
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      • #43
        And all you need do is to perform a searchon this very BB to find the examples of thier behavior. From eyewitnesses.

        You're going to deny that people have released lab animals in the name of PETA?

        If she were out against Big Lick horses, I wouldn't care. She's so difficult for most Americans to take seriously to be of any use. Ultimatly, I'd be willing to bet real money that anything she'd have to say would be memorized from propaganda, not from research she did on her own.

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        • #44
          Without doubt, there are bad apples in every bunch. But you can't criticize an entire organization for a few bad ones.
          IMO, PETA is a bad tree. I'm not trying to change your opinion on this, and you won't change mine. They are a radical and unscrupulous organization.
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          • #45
            Originally posted by cosmos mom:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Without doubt, there are bad apples in every bunch. But you can't criticize an entire organization for a few bad ones.
            IMO, PETA is a bad tree. I'm not trying to change your opinion on this, and you won't change mine. They are a radical and unscrupulous organization. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I respect your opinion...
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            • #46
              Ah, she's certainly not the first person to declare horse racing inhumane (plenty of that going on 'round here on occasion) but to be sucked in by the extreme BS of PETA is almost sad. IMO they do more harm in the fight for animal rights than good. Not a sensible group and prone to turning people off EVEN when on the right path of thought.
              Give her a break, she means well & at least cares about critters. As far as racing goes; yeah horses like to run and many enjoy their job but you'll find some pretty miserable animals backside w/ not a lot to look forward to. Derby horses are at the top of their game and generally treated as such....but even with them there is no promise it will stay that way.
              "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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              • #47
                This is a statement from the peta.org website's main page.

                "PETA believes that animals have rights and deserve to have their best interests taken into consideration, regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Like you, they are capable of suffering and have an interest in leading their own lives; therefore, they are not ours to use—for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other reason"

                So, for colleent and others who support PETA, do you own horses? If so, I hope you don't use them for your entertainment (i.e. ride, show, breed, etc.).

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by SeaOat:
                  extreme BS of PETA is almost sad. IMO they do more harm in the fight for animal rights than good. Not a sensible group and prone to turning people off EVEN when on the right path of thought
                  I have to totally disagree with this statement. I think they have done more to raise awareness regarding lab testing, factory farming and the fur trade than any other organization on the planet, 3 things I care deeply about. Without them there would be no dialog on the subject. They have done more to spearhead movements to create cruelty free products than anyone else as well.

                  Again, you may think they go overboard in some regards, but I see them as the only organization that is sucessfully changing parts of "industry" that do use and abuse animals on an enormous scale.

                  What other organizations are really fighting and educating people on these particular issues?
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                  • #49
                    Add me in the camp that thinks PETA comes across as nucking futs. Not saying they all are...because I haven't met them all.
                    But according to things the top PETA gun has said and written...according to news reports done on them...according to their own media whoring and pamphlets...and most of all according to the *many* times I've seen PETA activists in action...well, they're pretty much 2 small steps from insane, IMO.
                    And ALF...they're friends...are even worse.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by BelladonnaLily:
                      This is a statement from the peta.org website's main page.

                      "PETA believes that animals have rights and deserve to have their best interests taken into consideration, regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Like you, they are capable of suffering and have an interest in leading their own lives; therefore, they are not ours to use—for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other reason"

                      So, for colleent and others who support PETA, do you own horses? If so, I hope you don't use them for your entertainment (i.e. ride, show, breed, etc.).
                      Well I'm pretty sure when they say "Entertainment" it is regards to the circus, in which they also have shown some cruel hideous training techniques. Oh and also the "roadside zoos" in which animals are kept in dismal conditions with no proper care.
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                      • #51
                        What a shame she isn't using her media power to spotlight the good works of Canter and the Excellor Fund.

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                        • #52
                          Here are some PETA quotes:
                          “If someone is killing, on a regular basis, thousands of animals, and if that person can only be stopped in one way by the use of violence, then it is certainly a morally justifiable solution.”
                          “I don’t think you’d have to kill -- assassinate -- too many [doctors involved with animal testing] ... I think for 5 lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives.”
                          — Animal Rights 2003 convention, 8/3/03
                          Both from Dr. Jerry Vlasak

                          Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause. -- Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA
                          Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA

                          "The truth is that extremism and outrage provide the fundamental fuel for many special interest groups," Newkirk said. "We are complete press sluts. It is our obligation.
                          Ingrid Newkirk, PETA founder
                          You jump in the saddle,
                          Hold onto the bridle!
                          Jump in the line!
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                          • #53
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                            • #54
                              Well Ingrid Whatshername is of PETA is infamous for her a "pig is a rat is a boy" statement (not sure that's the EXACT wording, but close) - i.e., that ALL those lives are equally valuable. Well, sorry, no.

                              I am certainly an advocate for animal welfare, but PETA is not - they have killed more animals that most shelters. They rescue them and rehome very few (because they don't believe in people "owning" animals of any kind) and euthanize the majority. They would want us to rip the shoes off and turn our horses out to fend for themselves, and if they die, well, they weren't meant to survive.

                              P.S. There also was a documented article in COTH some years ago about PETA using funds they had solicited for the organization to purchase luxurious private homes for PETA officials.

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                              • #55
                                Speaking from personal experience, (being a victim of a violent PETA protest that resulted in the Arlington SWAT team having to quell the violence), I can tell you that anyone who supports PETA is doing nothing more than supporting a terrorist group. Why not give some cash to Al Quada while you're at it.

                                The fact that the leaders of this group advocate violence as a means to further their goals should scare the living hell out of you. The leader of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine has gone on record saying he supports the murder of humans to accomplish a meatless, petless society.

                                Pamela Anderson is a moron.

                                Has anyone seen the little comic book PETA gives out for children K-5? It's part of their "educational" program for schools. It shows a woman wielding a knife, covered in blood, with the caption, "Your Mommy is a Murderer". This is for little kids!

                                How about this one - PETA employees were recently arrested for illegally dumping dozens of dead animals in a shopping mall dumpster in North Carolina. Yep - they were euthanizing the animals and dumping them across state lines. The "shelter" they operate in Norfolk has a euthanasia rate of over 80%.

                                Or the death threats to lab employees. Breaking into offices and destroying equipment. Storming into offices and destroying equipment while terrified employees run and hide. And every time PETA says- oh we had nothing to do with it - we're a poor little charity. Bullsh**.

                                If you support PETA - you're contributing to your own demise. The demise of a horse owner who may do nothing more than trailride. Or hunt with their dogs. Or have a barn cat.

                                Say bye bye to all of that if you support PETA.
                                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by Goodyfourshoes!:
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huntertwo:
                                  Well I'm pretty sure when they say "Entertainment" it is regards to the circus, in which they also have shown some cruel hideous training techniques. Oh and also the "roadside zoos" in which animals are kept in dismal conditions with no proper care.
                                  Nope. They mean any sort of household pet. I don't have the references here, and don't have time to look them up - but I believe that Ingrid Newkirk has been quoted as saying that life would be great when no person owns a pet, or something to that effect.

                                  Add me in to the group that think PETA and the ALF are out to lunch. Neither will ever get a dime of my money. You want to help animals? Help your local SPCA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Thats interesting, when I used to get their newsletter it showed the staff with their dogs and cats.

                                  I would still like to know what PETA was doing with Cindy Sheehan in Crawford, Texas protesting by President Bush's ranch? I cancelled my on-line "News Alerts" when I saw them supporting her.
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                                  • #57
                                    So many of you are wrong about this issue. PeTa is a bit extreme when it comes to saving animals, but they have done a ton of good. the only press they ever get is bad press, and even that, to them, is good, b/c it makes people think about the issues. they really want the best for animals. if you don't believe it, then i can't prove it to you, but i do support them and everything they have done for animals this far. And i will continue to give them money so they can continue to fight against animal abuse.

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by MistyBlue:
                                      Okay, I'm going to go through the rest of my day here with images of tiny white lab mice with great big hooters.
                                      Actually you could grow breasts on a lab rat anywhere on their body. You just have to have the right hox box to do it. Gentics has come along way and sometimes is a scary thing!

                                      In regards to plastic bags she needs to releave the pressure from her chest so some oxygen can get to her brain. Its clouding her judgment!
                                      I want to be like Barbie because that bitch has everything!

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                                      • #59
                                        Ah, well, see if PETA was supporting Mrs. Sheehan, I'd think that was something GOOD they were doing, but would worry that HER reputation would suffer from it.

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                                        • #60
                                          More PETA-isms:
                                          "Pet ownership is an abysmal situation
                                          brought about by human manipulation"
                                          (Ingrid Newkirk, PETA founder
                                          Washingtonian Aug. 1986)
                                          "In the end
                                          I think it would be lovely if we stopped
                                          this whole notion of pets altogether"
                                          (Ingrid Newkirk Newsday, Feb. 21 1988
                                          "[A]s the surplus of cats and dogs
                                          {artificially engineered by centuries
                                          of forced breeding) declined, eventually
                                          companion animals would be phased
                                          out, and we would return to a more
                                          symbiotic relationship--enjoyment at
                                          a distance." --Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like
                                          Us? Toward a Notion of Animal Rights"
                                          "Let us allow the dog to disappear from
                                          our brick and concrete jungles--from our
                                          firesides, from the leather
                                          nooses and chains by which we
                                          enslave it." --John Bryant, Fettered
                                          Kingdoms: An Examination of A
                                          Changing Ethic (Washington,
                                          DC: People for the Ethical Treatment
                                          of Animals (PeTA),
                                          You jump in the saddle,
                                          Hold onto the bridle!
                                          Jump in the line!
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