Pam Anderson Boycotts Kentucky Derby

[Appassionato]

With all due respect carolprudm, the website's "about" link doesn't tell me that it's reputable. Several bloggers write claims down that are simply not true. Hence my asking about it.

[carolprudm]

I don't know how to prove it's reputable, but the information, such as the nomber of animals killed, they have presented can be easily confirmed.
And most bloggers don't file a 501 (c)

[equusrocks]

I'm not sure how reputable the link is, but I have seen a couple of their stories on newchannels, including the one with the two PeTA people killing all of those dogs and cats.

They also have been conncected financially to eco-terrorist groups. It's even in Wikpedia or whatever that online encyclopedia is.

I don't get PeTA at all. I'd rather boycott Wal-Mart than spend my time promoting animal "rights"

Or, spend my time volunteering at a REAL shelter. I think helping animals directly is a much larger contribuition than focusing on PeTA issues. I don't understand their "concern" about animals, especially since they'd rather see them dead than in a warm house with food.

And alot of people don't understand Animal Rights VS. Animal Welfare...

[equusrocks]

Plus, what does the horse industry care about what PA does?? At first I didn't even recall who Pamela Anderson WAS. I kept trying to think of some BNT or something...but nothing clicked. Then I read the posts...oops.

[Huntertwo]

Originally posted by Alagirl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huntertwo:
Didn't yah know Babs, they are right and we are wrong and uninformed.
Oh and we also have #hit for brains according to one poster.

Have some Cheese with those sour grapes and whine...

You don't support Al Quaida though you might like their intentions of keeping the faith pure...why support PETA since they do not hide their Dr Jekill/Mr Hyde persona...they just, like any good splitpersonality, don't do both at the same time.

Quiet frankly, when one person tells you somehting, take it with a grain of salt, when ten people tell you the same thing, unrelated to each other, there has to be some truth, but if you search the internet for an organisation, and the original website is not even among the top twenty sites to pop up and most if not all are negative, something is fishy! And I mean FISHY!

But then, if you choose to keep your eyes shut, I suppose it is your personal porogative...


I am naive, but do 501c organisations not have to publish their financial informations upon request?
Like loans and gifts to CEOs, donations to defence funds of Eco terrorists, funding for shelters and overhead to run the organisation?

Hmm, I wonder, what do commercials and posters to solicit doantions fall under? Adminastrative overhead? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off Alagirl, How dare you compare me with Al- Qaeda!!

I never said I gave money nor supported PETA. I said I get my information from different websites and compare their information. So get your facts straight..

Secondly, I make up my own mind about things, I don't change my mind to follow the rest of the sheep. baahhh

Thirdly, as far as *everyone* says so, so it must be.....

Do you remember the "FEMA" post and probably 90 percent of the people on here, told me I was absolutely wrong about Saddam possessing WMDs??

Guess what??? About 12 hours of secret tapes were discovered and are still being interpreted.
And there is a REAL possibility we will find that those WMDs ended up in Syria right before the U.S. invaded Iraq.

THAT my dear is why I don't think what others tell me to think.

So, since this thread will now turn political, I'm done. No need to respond. (Unless someone tells you otherwise. )

[Phaxxton]

Originally posted by Appassionato:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom King:
More interesting reading:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Since this thread has already gone a touch off course, can I ask what people know about this link? How reputable is it? I ask because of all the blogging nowadays. Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I posted it a few pages back, but mentioned I wasn't sure of its reliability / accuracy. There's a huge billboard for it across from my office building, which is the only reason I know of the site. I have a feeling it's more reputable than most blogs, though I can't vouch for it. I think it's probably just as inflammatory as PETA's web site / advertising, just on the other side. If you're looking to verify particular facts, you should probably search for news articles. I'm sure you could readily verify the facts (even with an online search of news articles).

[Phaxxton]

PS - Here is there About Us page.

It appears they are a project of the Center for Consumer Freedom. I know relatively little about CCF, so I guess some research is in order.

[Tom King]

Most of the stuff on that site is a compilation of different investigative newspaper and magazine articles. If you do a Google search for PETA you will find an endless amount of it including all the quoted stuff there and a lot more. There is a very strong movement to get their tax exempt status taken away. Some of the most successful leaders throughout history have been very evil and ruthless but it's hard to get away with it for long these days without at least someone else calling them out for it.

[Dazednconfused]

Originally posted by equusrocks:
Plus, what does the horse industry care about what PA does?? At first I didn't even recall who Pamela Anderson WAS. I kept trying to think of some BNT or something...but nothing clicked. Then I read the posts...oops.

Yep, the only way you remembered was by her tatas, right??? Hahahaha.

PETA is so absurd, I have begun to automatically quantify the word PETA with "idiot".

I just saw someone the other day with a bumper sticker that said the "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals". I'm so tempted to go buy one!

[equusrocks]

Wasn't she the one with that video...??? Something about some Tommy guy and $$ and, yup, you guessed, tatas...

Cute bumper sticker, wonder where to get them?? Although I always feel bad sticking stuff to my car..

People for the Ethical Treatment of Machinery?

God knows I take advantage of my car. Almost daily. I exploit it without remorse and even allow it to be exposed to snow, rain, and even the dreaded cancerous road salt. I sometimes allow it to starve for gas, and never have its check up's done on time. And now I want to alter its natural beauty by sticking an adhesive backed item to it?? Who, I am asking, is out there protecting the machines that serve us daily?? I treat my horse better than I do my car!!!!! And trust me, my horse works far less, and in more favorable conditions!

PeTA's a joke. Did I read right when it said it only had *6000* memebers??

[JSwan]

equusrocks - no - they have a many members. And many of them are horse owners. And even more are people who donate because they believe PETA is operating shelters and directly helping animals.

Many people who donate to PETA also donate to the NRA. Can you believe that? I don't get that one. I saw the survey results myself when I worked for a charity.

I don't understand why, when people have posted their personal experiences with PETA, pointed to government data showing the kill rate at their "shelter", relating info from the groups that Oppose PETA - we're getting these posts back saying you still don't believe it. Uhhhh - what are we supposed to do? Tell PETA your address and tell them about how you're forcing your event to jump so they can come and firebomb your barn?

[carolprudm]

Originally posted by J Swan:
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I don't understand why, when people have posted their personal experiences with PETA, pointed to government data showing the kill rate at their "shelter", relating info from the groups that Oppose PETA - we're getting these posts back saying you still don't believe it. Uhhhh - what are we supposed to do? Tell PETA your address and tell them about how you're forcing your event to jump so they can come and firebomb your barn?

PETA has very good, well paid advertising and PR people.

[JSwan]

Yep - forgot about that. The days of real charity's are over. Now it's Brooks Brothers suits, well-paid lobbyists, and interest free home loans for their executives.

We really do need a "barf" emoticon.

[Sannois]

PETA does believe in total animal liberation. This includes companion animals. We advocate for a no-birth nation, which means that no more puppies and kittens will be born because all current companion animals have been spayed or neutered. The reason being because the world we live in is no place for a domesticated animal.

The above statement says it all. and is enough reason to run screaming in the other direction from anything related to PETA They are certainly not out for the welfare of the animals only a kook notion that they can control what everyone does. Really scary group!!!!

[Aggie4Bar]

Funnily enough, during my early years of college, I used to spend quite a bit of time (entirely too much time) debating the AR folks. That was until AOL obliterated their BB forums the first time.

What I learned from that is the most people who support PeTA have no clue what the agenda is. PeTA gets them hook, line, and sinker with its campaiging and propoganda. This is why I try to be patient and provide info rather than jumping in a with a personal attack about the supporters' intelligence. In my experience, it takes a while for people to accept that (as J Swan stated) while one hand is holding up a sad-eyed puppy and asking for money, the other is holding a pipe bomb. People don't like being lied to. Neither do they like to admit to themselves that they've bought into a lie.

The other thing I learned... and this made the debating incredibly entertaining... is that even a lot of ARAs will not support PeTA for the same reasons being stated in this thread. It was interesting to sit back and watch the anti-PeTA ARAs and the pro-PeTA ARAs duke it out over who was a "real" ARA and so on and so forth. I've forgotten a lot from those days, but I'm pretty certain this rift between ARAs is how SHARK (another radical AR organisation) formed.

The subject of horses came up frequently on those BBs. Mostly, the debate centered on rodeo, but dressage and eventing received their share of attacks. As I've stated before, the horse industry is on the radar. Just because it's not a primary focus now doesn't mean that it won't be in the future. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if you found some anti-Rolex material on PeTA's website come April. It is not wise for anyone involved in horses to support these folks. The dollars you give them today are likely to fund the vandalism of tomorrow, which may include releasing horses from shows, tampering with feed, or any number of things. Bear in mind, the mentality is "better off dead".

[carolprudm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by J Swan:
Yep - forgot about that. The days of real charity's are over. Now it's Brooks Brothers suits, well-paid lobbyists, and interest free home loans for their executives.

<SNIP>
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I don't think that is completely true but donors do have to be carefull.
In general giving to a local charity is best. That doesn't mean local to you, but local to the problem. They tend to be run by volunteers and have little or no overhead.
OTOH, medical charities are pretty much big business with little alternative. I don't know of a local group with the capabilities of the Susan G Komen foundation or St Jude's Hospital.

[JSwan]

Donors have to be VERY careful. Even charities with excellent reputations have had some dirty laundry aired. And I won't ever understand why people donate to PETA, and the NRA. Vegetarian gun owners maybe?

To get back to horses - well - I agree that we may see some anti-Rolex stuff - and anti-horse stuff in the near future. They can only take on so many species at a time - and horse owners do comprise a part of their membership.

[Sannois]

Originally posted by J Swan:
I'll tell you plain - PETA holds out one hand with a picture of a puppy and a collection tin - and the hand behind their back holds a pipe bomb.

That "shelter" in Norfolk is not a shelter. They don't support no-kill shelters. They want them all euthanized - whether they are adoptable or not.

They don't want you to own a horse as a pet, or to compete or show or trail ride it. They just don't. They firmly believe that mankind must have no contact with domestic or wild animals. Whether any animal suffers as a result of that goal is irrelevant. The goal is elimination of contact with humans. They're willing to take baby steps towards that goal. And they are taking those baby steps.

Actually your right, What they ultimatly want is mass sterilization, Zero population growth, leading to eventual extinction of the domestic pet!

[RAyers]

While not directly connected to PETA, here is the latest on ARA terrorist activities as presented by CNN. This trial includes some of the attacks we were warned about that have been connected (although not conclusively) to PETA.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/20/an....ap/index.html

Reed

[missyrideson]

Alrighty I love horsies, chickens, goaties, and everything, but did she for once stop and think about who made her designer shoes? I'm sure some kid in a sweatshop in vietnam, or Shrilanka. If you gonna take up ethics, you gotta look at the full plate if you know what im saying.....