Pam Anderson Boycotts Kentucky Derby

[Luvinfoofy]

Originally posted by Huntertwo:
... because I've learned the above from MANY animal welfare websites.

Then why don't you support the animal welfare groups - instead of the animals rights groups?

[Aggie4Bar]

Originally posted by Equibrit:
The Inevitable Result Of Political Correctness..... [snip]

Political Correctness would be withholding or modifying your opinion for fear of offending someone. It has nothing to do with name calling. Many people don't understand the connection between hunting and preservation because they aren't aware of ecological imbalance or haven't thought through its causes/effects. If you want to change their way of thinking, you'll have to work on your logic skills apart from your emotions. Namecalling effectively slams the door on any opportunity you had to educate. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with PC.

Originally posted by Tom King:
Anyone who supports PETA has dog and cat sh!t for brains.

Ditto the above. I've always been impressed by the educational quality of your posts, so the above was particuarly disappointing.

[Huntertwo]

Originally posted by Tom King:
It's not possible to get low intellect fundamentalists to change their minds. They are the most dangerous people on the planet. I keep hoping that the insurgents in Iraq will use them all up, but there seems to be an endless supply.

LOL...so not are we only dimwitted, we are also dumb because we don't agree with you....
Keep the ignorant quotes coming...

[JSwan]

I knew about animal welfare issues long before PETA came around.

I'm not asking people to change their minds at all. But if someone asserts that PETA is a benign, effective charitable institution devoted to animal welfare - I'm sure as heck going to say something. Groups don't get the honor of being on FBI terrorism watch lists for being benign advocates.

I still have no idea why PETA is still in existence. No other group that encourages or funds violence to further their ideaology is permitted to operate within our borders. While the NRA makes some crazy statements - if they told people to get their guns and shoot Muslims the gov't would cloud up and rain all over them.

Guess it's because the IRS is a little too generous with granting 501(c)(3) status.

[Huntertwo]

Originally posted by Luvinfoofy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huntertwo:
... because I've learned the above from MANY animal welfare websites.

Then why don't you support the animal welfare groups - instead of the animals rights groups? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Luvinfoofy, I DO NOT support any animal welfare groups at the moment and haven't for awhile, (if you mean financially) but I do read their website and compare their findings.

At the moment I do volunteer for a group in a surrounding town two days a week.

[Tom King]

http://www.fbresearch.org/Deathvan/timeline.htm

Stand with them if you like. I still say brown stuff for brains.

[Luvinfoofy]

Huntertwo,
I understand that, I'm suggesting that you SHOULD support them - instead of wasting your time with Animal Rights organizations such as PeTA.

If I misunderstood and you aren't advocating PeTA, I apologize.

[Huntertwo]

It's kind of like saying to your kids, "Now don't do this because it's illegal. And when you get caught we'll bail you out."

Mistyblue, It sounds like alot of the parents I know nowadays..lol

[Huntertwo]

Originally posted by Luvinfoofy:
Huntertwo,
I understand that, I'm suggesting that you SHOULD support them - instead of wasting your time with Animal Rights organizations such as PeTA.

If I misunderstood and you aren't advocating PeTA, I apologize.

No problem Luvinhoofy, What are the things your not supposed to discuss? Reglion, Politics and Animal rights?

[Aggie4Bar]

Originally posted by J Swan:
I still have no idea why PETA is still in existence. No other group that encourages or funds violence to further their ideaology is permitted to operate within our borders.

My thoughts exactly. ALF/ELF are clearly categorized by the FBI as terrorists. As closely as PeTA is watched and as vocal as their uppers are about the acceptance of violence... I guess it's not enough that they provide funds to ALF?

As this relates to horses, I don't think we're a long way off from problems with horses being released from their stalls at big competitions. Equestrian sports are on PeTA's radar and have been for a while. Yes, they have pushed for elimination of sports like Eventing and h/j. They're loudest during the summer olympics. Thus far, what seems to be holding them back is the negativity they receive from supporters when they go after the horse industry. They're very, very vocal about rodeos, but the elite status of English sports is, IMO, part of what protects it.... for now.

[Alagirl]

Originally posted by Huntertwo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's great that they have their philosophies - I'm not telling them to change their minds...

Isn't that ironic that the same could be said for the majority of the folks on here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You left out the main part of the quote, about destroying property...

It's great that they have their philosophies - I'm not telling them to change their minds... but the rest of us have rights, too, and the PETA folk have no right to destroy someone else's property for the media attention.

[Tom King]

Anyone for or against should read this newspaper article with direct quotes from the head of PETA.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DG11DC9BK1.DTL

[Shahrazade]

I'm not a PETA fan, but I do think those quotes are obviously out of context and should be taken with about fifteen grains of salt. That is a newspaper editorial that ran in my hometown paper a long time ago, provoking several readers to write letters to the editor pointing out that the article was extremely slanted, even for an opinion piece. It should be read, I do agree, by everyone for or against, but please understand it is an editorial, not a news story.

That said, I feel that PETA has the funding and the manpower to do a great deal of good, if only it would stop focusing so much on publicizing 'facts' even more one-sided than that editorial common. They would provide a great service by making a list of meat sellers who provide organically raised and humanely slaughtered beef, pork, chicken, and other meats- and, with their marketing budget, they could really make large buyers such as chain fine restaurants (Wolfgang Puck and Emeril's lines come to mind) take notice and begin using organic meats from local farmers or other more humane sources.

[JSwan]

You're right, Shahrazade. They could do a lot to improve the welfare of animals.

But since their goal is to eliminate the use of animals by humans - I don't think they'll take you up on your excellent suggestion.

And though you think the quotes are one-sided, since two of us have posted about our experience with a PETA attack, please give us the benefit of the doubt. There have even been attacks on financial company that own or sell STOCK in the company's PETA hates. Comeon - attack a bunch of bankers?

These guys are really bad news. We are all judged by the company we keep - PETA keeps company with terrorists like ALF and ELF. I didn't make it up.

We all love animals, and we most certainly want to keep our horses and ride them. I could never support a group that has the goal of eliminating that. And I am constantly surprised at the number of horse owners that support this group.

[carolprudm]

Originally posted by Shahrazade:
I'm not a PETA fan, but I do think those quotes are obviously out of context and should be taken with about fifteen grains of salt. That is a newspaper editorial that ran in my hometown paper a long time ago, provoking several readers to write letters to the editor pointing out that the article was extremely slanted, even for an opinion piece. It should be read, I do agree, by everyone for or against, but please understand it is an editorial, not a news story.

That said, I feel that PETA has the funding and the manpower to do a great deal of good, if only it would stop focusing so much on publicizing 'facts' even more one-sided than that editorial common. They would provide a great service by making a list of meat sellers who provide organically raised and humanely slaughtered beef, pork, chicken, and other meats- and, with their marketing budget, they could really make large buyers such as chain fine restaurants (Wolfgang Puck and Emeril's lines come to mind) take notice and begin using organic meats from local farmers or other more humane sources.

PETA wants us all to become vegans. I don't think they are going to follow your suggestions.
YOu might be interested in www.slowfoodusa.org
"promoting pure food that is local, seasonal and organically grown "
If you were in VA I would offer you part of the goat I will be taking to the butcher this week.

[carolprudm]

Originally posted by colleent:
i know that they are willing to get arrested in order to get media attention, but i have not heard about anyone getting killed..i know about them throwing paint on fur coats..that does not bother me.

i am not doing that, and i am not getting arrested, either. i just wanted to support the good things they mention, like ending Circus elephants and finding kinder slaughter tactics for food animals.

Do you have a leather saddle, or leather boots? Would it bother you if someone splashed paint on them? If I caught someone splashing paint on either they would be in serious danger.

You say you support PETA. Then you have to take partial responsibility for this

Year Receivedâ€* Adopted Killed Transferred % Killed % Adopted
2004 2,640 361 2,278 1 86.3 13.7
2003 2,224 312 1,911 1 85.9 14.0
2002 2,680 382 2,298 2 85.7 14.3
2001 2,685 703 1,944 14 72.4 26.2
2000 2,684 624 2,029 28 75.6 23.2
1999 1,805 386 1,328 91 73.6 21.4
* 1998 943 133 685 125 72.6 14.1
Total 15,661 2,901 12,473 262 79.6 18.5

* figures represent the second half of 1998 only
â€* other than spay/neuter animals

This does not count the number of pets killed in the NC death vans that never made it to the "shelter"

Most local spca "No Kill " shelters adopt out about 85% of the animals they take in. And I find it really scarry that their percentage of adopted out animals is going DOWN.

PETA is trying to do this, and trying to do that and it all sounds warm and fuzzy. But this is what they actually HAVE done.

Please judge them by their deeds, not their words.

[Huntertwo]

Carol, as I stated a few pages ago, they are an animal rescue. We DON'T know how many of the animals that are rescued are beyond saving.

The no-kill shelters take in healthy and non-aggressive animals. So of course their Euthanasia rate will be lower.

Have you ever watched "Animal Cops"? Any aggressive animals are destroyed and the sickest (if there is no hope for recovery) are put down and this is by the ASCPA.

I watched an episode where the ASCPA destroyed a whole house full of Feral Cats, perhaps 25 or more. Does that make them evil? No.

[carolprudm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Huntertwo:
Carol, as I stated a few pages ago, they are an animal rescue. We DON'T know how many of the animals that are rescued are beyond saving.

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Do you seriously believe 85% of the animals they take in can't be placed?
Even 50%?

THIS is PETA's position on No Kill shelters
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAagainstnokill.htm

The Dollars and Nonsense of "No-kill" Sheltering

Trying to build enough shelters to keep up with the endless stream of homeless animals is like putting a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound.To stop the killing, we must use our resources in the most effective and efficient ways.
Consider the following numbers:


6 to 8 million—the number of dogs and cats who end up in shelters each year

$45—the cost of caring for one dog in a “no-kill” shelter for approximately three days

$45—the approximate cost of sterilizing one animal, preventing the births of at least eight animals from this animal and her offspring in just one year and preventing the births of as many as 67,000 dogs in six years and 420,000 cats in seven years—an enormous number of animals who will never suffer, be killed, or need sanctuary

$2 billion—the annual cost of capturing, caring for, and euthanizing the dogs and cats in shelters

$2 billion—the approximate cost of sterilizing 40 million animals

[Tom King]

they are an animal rescue

Yeah, right.

What part of a direct quote where someone tells about things that she has done is out of context? I guess all of the animals she personally went in early to work to kill were beyond rescue as were the carcasses examined by the vet here who said they were healthy. Yes the editorial was slanted. It was slanted towards the truth about what they are really about.

If you want to do this situation some good give your donations to your local shelters. Our county shelter that was deceived by them does try a lot to place animals with a lot of help from local people who care. The people who work there do care.

It's hypocritical to give them support and ride a horse or own pets.

[Phaxxton]

"It makes me want to avoid Kentucky altogether, which is sad because there are so many great people there," Anderson said in a statement released Tuesday by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

Okay, I find this statement really funny...

Of course, it doesn't look like the Belmont Stakes will keep her out of New York - b/c there's far too much money to be made for her in NY.