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  • #41
    As far as plowing through the idiots that cut you off go...been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

    I was hauling a new horse home about ten years ago, it was drizzling out and the roads were wet but I had specifically chosen a time of day when traffic was light *and* avoided the highway. Four lane road, I was in the left lane with plenty of distance between myself and the cars ahead of me slowing down well in advance for a red light coming up. Not one but two cars decided to zip in front of me and had to brake hard to keep from running the light. The second they did that I knew 1) I was going to hit the car in front of me and 2) Slamming on the brakes wouldn't do a damn thing to keep it from happening. I remember making a conscience, split-second decision to brake just a little harder and hope for the best. I slammed that car in front of me so hard I pushed it into the first car that cut me off, caused a three car accident. Luckily I was going slow enough at that point nothing crazy happened in the trailer, horse was fine.

    Three uninvolved witnesses pulled over and stayed until the police arrived and they all told the officers the accident was the result of me being cut off. One of the women that cut me off (the first one) even admitted to the cop what she'd done but golly gee, how could she know a truck pulling a trailer can't brake that fast? So what if the roads are wet?

    I got the ticket, in Ohio if you rear-end someone you are automatically at fault. Insurance went through the roof. Vehicle in front of me got totaled out because of frame damage and the first car had over 5k in damages. Not a mark on my truck save for a little paint on the bumper that easily buffed out.

    One of the officers bawled the women out pretty bad, told them in no uncertain terms the wreck was their fault and if there was any way possible he could cite them he would have. The first woman was apologetic and was bawling by the time the officer got done with her. The second was just a smug beyotch about the whole thing, didn't care one bit. The ticket was expensive, my insurance was ridiculous for several years after that, my consolation was that I totaled the bitchy one's car and at least one of them (hopefully both) will think twice about cutting people off after that. Wasn't really worth it though. I certainly didn't hit them on purpose although I had dreamed plenty of times about ramming my truck grill up many a soccer mom's SUV's ass. I would definitely choose avoiding an accident over teaching someone a lesson no matter how tempting the thought is, especially knowing how much it costs in the long run.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
      in Ohio if you rear-end someone you are automatically at fault.
      That law needs to change, especially with witnesses and cameras. The one was smug and bitchy because she knew caused an accident and got off scot-free with a new car. There are people who do that crap for a "living."
      I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right
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      • #43
        I have decided that most people want to die on the bumper of my truck. I, alas, don't care to give them what they want. People are CLUELESS.
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        • #44
          Originally posted by TheJenners View Post

          In my very PERSONAL opinion, drivers who let their emotions come to the forefront while hauling are the ones who have the worst time hauling. This includes frustration, anxiety, anger. If you are an attentive and defensive driver, you will see when someone is about to do this so you can already be reacting before it happens.


          I don't have a rig (at least not yet - kinda need a horse first), but I have driven with my late aunt in hers and gone along with my dad in his semi (he was an over the road truck driver). I lost count of the multiple people who thought it was ok to cut off his rig.

          Not to mention the people who think it's ok to run a red light. My uncle had to deal with that (also a OTR truck driver) in his rig. Didn't end well for the guy (and passenger) who ran the red light and my uncle was saddled with the guilt that he just couldn't stop in time.
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          • #45
            Originally posted by HighFlyinBey++ View Post
            That law needs to change, especially with witnesses and cameras. The one was smug and bitchy because she knew caused an accident and got off scot-free with a new car. There are people who do that crap for a "living."
            Bingo. I was very, very surprised she didn't get some ambulance-chaser to sue my insurance company. Believe you me, I was waiting for it to happen.

            Amen to whoever made the comment about leaving emotions out of driving. Hauling horses (or driving any kind of rig for that matter) and road rage just do *not* go well together.

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            • #46
              Eh, I think some emotion is appropriate, otherwise I just wouldn't care! But extremes don't serve anyone well. I can be calm and pissed at the same time. Dealt with being hit, getting us to safety, etc. just fine, but if you'd put the idiot who hit me in the same room immediately after, I would have throttled her.

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              • #47
                My horn and a certain finger on my hand have gotten ample use now that I've been hauling my horse.

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                • #48
                  My post seemed hard hearted ... Here's my story.

                  Truck and trailer headed downhill on a two lane road. Traffic both ways were bumper to bumper. I left enough distance in front of me to stop. On coming traffic was stopped by a car waiting to turn left across my lane. The car used my buffer space to make the left. The car behind the first also turned left. The third car also tried to turn left. His bad luck that the turning traffic stopped trapping him in my lane. I couldn't steer left into now moving traffic and car #3 was stopped broadside with cars in front of him. I laid on the brakes and horn. As I closed, I locked eyes with the man in the right rear passenger seat. I knew he was about to die. Fortunately, the traffic block moved ahead and car #3 moved out of my path just in time.
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by HighFlyinBey++ View Post
                    The linked page is public. At 9:47 this morning, she posted 3 horses loaded, and were off to clinic!! Alright kids, lets pretend were civilized citizens.

                    At 10:42, less than one hour later, she posted this photo.
                    Since that looks like a 2-horse trailer, I hope horse #3 was in a second trailer.

                    I found a dash camera for under $100. Not sure how to post links but ... http://www.spytecinc.com/hd-car-came...Fe4-Mgodlh8A8g I think a camera is a good idea for people frequently finding themselves being cut off. Perhaps if you live in a no-fault or "the rear ender always gets the blame" state you should contact your state representatives to get that changed. If you have PROOF the accident wasn't your fault it's ridiculous that your insurance goes up.
                    That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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                    • #50
                      Would private dash cam video be admissible here, should something go to court? I'm not sure what the law is on that. Sounds like it wouldn't help even in those states where the rear ended is always to blame (like the prior poster with the story where even witnesses came forward but still had to ticket the back end driver).

                      Eek on some of the stories here. After my trailer accident, I wouldn't haul again for a long time. Then my trainer was injured and I had to do all the hauling or no one could show. These stories are reminding how much I dreaded those first times pulling horses again. Especially since they belonged to others...more pressure!

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                      • #51
                        Hmm. I think it would be considered admissible?
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                        • #52
                          Would be interesting to see how something like that would play out.

                          In my case, I was told by the police the rear-ender (me) had to be cited regardless of circumstances because the assumption is, since I rear-ended them I was following too closely. The fact that an accident could be caused by a driver being cut off was something the law did not consider. Also, in a multiple car pile-up (like the one I was in the back end of) the last driver's insurance is responsible for all cars involved. The reasoning behind that I was told, was that the car I hit wouldn't have hit the car in front of them had I not "caused" the initial accident. Of course the cop explained it much better than I probably just did, I'm just paraphrasing a conversation from about a decade ago (ah, how well I remember the incident though!)

                          The cop that wrote me the ticket was pretty apologetic, between that and the dressing-down he gave the other two drivers I'm sure he knew I was driving safely. The crying lady learned a lesson I'm sure and as for the bitchy one, here's hoping karma caught up with her with some explosive diarrhea while she was wearing her favorite dress.

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                          • #53
                            All it takes for a photograph to be admitted into evidence in my state (and under the federal rules of evidence) is that the person who took it be able to identify it as an accurate representation of the circumstances existing at the time it was taken. No big deal.
                            I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by DancingArabian View Post
                              That's what I figured. I've been tempted to stencil a warning on my trailer but I haven't been able to come up with something short. Maybe: warning: cutting this vehicle off put you at risk of being crushed
                              I do a lot of highway driving and have recently started seeing more and more semis with the signs/stickers on the back, arrow to the left "passing side" and arrow to the right with "suicide." Not quite the same, but...

                              Honestly I think that there needs to be more taught in drivers ed and asked on driving exams about safe driving around big rigs, after all we can't count on common sense for anything anymore. While we all know that it takes an extraordinary amount of time to stop, it seems most people legitimately did not pay attention in high school physics and truly lack the understanding of, or even have knowledge of the basic laws of physics.

                              I live on Long Island and drive a Chevy 1500 as my normal vehicle. I get cut off so many times a day I can't even keep track. For whatever reason people want to come up with, they don't like to be behind larger vehicles, and around here that includes me. Don't even get me started on the whole general disregard for the rules of the road here. That old saying of the best offense is a good defense is absolutely true when it comes to driving a trailer, be prepared for the stupid people and you will arrive with less of a chance of giving yourself a heart attack!!

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                              • #55
                                "Agree, but there are times when you only have a small amount of space to stop before you do ram into them. And I'm not sure who technically would get the ticket in that accident. Because isn't it automatic that if you rear-end someone, you get the ticket? How can they prove that the person cut you off unless a good samaritan stops as a witness? And let's be honest, no one stops for fender benders just to witness."

                                Have you ever watched on youtube the videos from Russia with the CRAZY car wrecks? Most of those are private individuals with dash cams. It might be a great way to use a "Go Pro".


                                I posted prior to reading ALL of the posts. I still would think a good lawyer could help you if you had a dash cam showing that it was due to the other person cutting you off.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by DancingArabian View Post
                                  Maybe we need to do what the Russians do and have a forward pointing camera on our cars.
                                  I have one in my truck and use it when I'm towing.
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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by kookicat View Post
                                    I have one in my truck and use it when I'm towing.
                                    Where does one invest in one of these?

                                    "Pat the horse; kick yourself" - Carl Hester

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                                    • #58
                                      I think that the driver who was cut off would have had a good chance of getting a nolle/dismissal in court, regardless of the law. They could also sue the cars who cut them off and seek not only any damage to the truck but the increased insurance costs. You might not win, but you might, and it would certainly be satisfying if you did.

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Angelico View Post
                                        Where does one invest in one of these?
                                        I was given mine, but I believe it came from Ebay. It's only a cheapie, but it works pretty well.
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