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  • #41
    I have some biases, built up after many years of having stock type horses and watching them have soundness issues. Navicular, bad hocks, stone bruises, etc. Much of this is due to their being bred to have huge hippo bodies on tiny feet. You can tell even when they are babies that they will have problems. In addition, there seems to be a fad among the QH breeders and trainers to start them when they are very young, sometimes riding them at 18 months. I just cannot fathom doing that to a horse who already has a predisposition to being lame. I know there are some damn good QHs out there and there are some nice ones at my barn, so that is just my "in general" opinion of them.
    When I bought my current horse I decided I wanted a breed that was known for having great feet/legs, and being sound. So I decided I would choose between a Morgan, an Arab, or a Mustang (I do like more delicate/feminine looking horses). Not a fan of the short backs on Arabs and didn't feel like I knew enough about Mustangs to go for it, so I ended up with a Morgan. I can't believe how much fun she is to ride! Totally willing and dependable under saddle yet also a bit like riding a comet, like if she REALLY wanted to she could just about jump to the moon. It is just so exhilarating after all those years on QHs and paints, I doubt I will ever own anything but Morgans again. And despite being ridden daily in hard, rocky soil she is barefoot and doing fine.

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    • #42
      Growing up I loved all horses, but as a young adult in the hunter world I fell into breed bias. If it couldn't gallop and jump it wasn't worth my time. After about ten years of that idiotic thinking I've come back to seeing beauty in every horse. But there are still breeds that don't interest me. Horse breeds that have lots of hair, ack, clip 'em!!

      Stbs and tbs make my heart thump.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Pleiad View Post
        I have some biases, built up after many years of having stock type horses and watching them have soundness issues. Navicular, bad hocks, stone bruises, etc. Much of this is due to their being bred to have huge hippo bodies on tiny feet. You can tell even when they are babies that they will have problems. In addition, there seems to be a fad among the QH breeders and trainers to start them when they are very young, sometimes riding them at 18 months. I just cannot fathom doing that to a horse who already has a predisposition to being lame. I know there are some damn good QHs out there and there are some nice ones at my barn, so that is just my "in general" opinion of them.
        When I bought my current horse I decided I wanted a breed that was known for having great feet/legs, and being sound. So I decided I would choose between a Morgan, an Arab, or a Mustang (I do like more delicate/feminine looking horses). Not a fan of the short backs on Arabs and didn't feel like I knew enough about Mustangs to go for it, so I ended up with a Morgan. I can't believe how much fun she is to ride! Totally willing and dependable under saddle yet also a bit like riding a comet, like if she REALLY wanted to she could just about jump to the moon. It is just so exhilarating after all those years on QHs and paints, I doubt I will ever own anything but Morgans again. And despite being ridden daily in hard, rocky soil she is barefoot and doing fine.
        I would say, that is an example of breed bias.

        Just because we have found some individuals in some breed we don't like, we really should not brand the whole "in general".

        There are many very nice quarter horses that live forever and are never lame.
        A friend just lost her 42 year old, that she started at two and competed very successfully for years and then her daughter compete for even more years, that they retired at 32 from competition and were still riding at 36.
        There are all kinds or examples of horses of any breed that are not good, as there are of wonderful horses in that breed.

        Mustangs? That is not a breed, but feral horses that are a mix of many breeds.
        Depending where they come from, they come in all kinds of conformation and sizes, from our 15 hands coarse one with big platter feet and bad knees due to having been raised in the wild in droughts with little to eat, rickets the vet called it, to some very, very nice feral horses from the Oregon herds, that have been managed for just that, exemplary usable horses, to some, as the locals call them, "scrub" horses with questionable conformation in some other areas.

        While breeds are all about breed characteristics, we have to realize that within that, there may be as many differences in any one individual as there may be between breeds themselves.

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        • #44
          Meh.

          I do not discriminate against any breed.
          Grew up riding huntseat when the TB was the Be-All, End-All.
          My first horse - at age 39 - was a TB.

          Rode long enough to see the WB enter the H/J world as a novelty.

          Got DH a loud-colored TWH to Event on. Best X-Country horse EVER!

          Got myself a TWH intending him to jump - he Did.Not. Dressage was his thing which worked for me. Even w/o a trot he was a fun ride.

          I now own an offbrand WB (Australian-bred & registered) & of all things: a Hackney Pony.

          I will never say "Never" to any breed as long as that breed has a soft nose & I can smell horsy goodness when I bury my nose in a neck
          *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
          Steppin' Out 1988-2004
          Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
          Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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          • #45
            I honest to god do not care what breed the horse between my legs is. I no longer compete in anything, it was never my cup of tea. I just enjoy the beauty that each individual horse can offer, and they all can, regardless of breed or training or whatnot. Now, I just ride distance, not for sport, but for the peace I find mounted and alone miles from civilization, where I have to rely on a sound and level-headed partner.

            I've had all sorts of stock horses, anglo-arab, OTTB (my folks bred and raced on a VERY small scale), drafts, gaited (my heart horse was my solid little MFT), my BFF's mustang that I claim as an adopted one as i have been caring for him for 20+years, and various non-discriminate grade horses. My current is an Azteca. I've worked with drafts, Lippazaners, minis, Arabs, TB, Baroques, etc.

            When I went looking this time for a new horse, I looked at anything that fit my criteria for where I was at in my life with horses. I didn't care what package it came in, what color it was, whether it had papers or not, who it's parents were, whether it was 14.2 or 17.1. I wanted a sound, safe and sane trail companion. If it ended up being a horse who liked working cattle, jumping fences, or 'passaging' around ;-), awesome...extra stuff to play with that we both enjoy! I saw plenty of horses of a zillion breeds during that time that were not what I wanted for me, but who I could truly appreciate for what they are and what they were bred for.

            I don't believe I have ever once looked at any horse and shuddered, thinking, "my god, why?". But, I can't say the same for every horseman I have ever met.
            Ulysses- the most perfect all-terrain vehicle ever. Hencho en Mexico

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            • #46
              I love meeting and riding different breeds.


              There are obviously breeds and mindsets I prefer, but I realize there are also exceptional individuals even in breeds that aren't my immediate preference.

              There are horses I certainly don't prefer and types of horses I'd rather not have and generally rule out, but not specifically because of their breed.

              The type of breed bias which I hate is when people are disparaging to someone breaking the mold (say a gaited horse jumping or a halter type Quarter Horse doing well in ranch work). People don't have to piss in someone else's Cheerios just because they prefer Lucky Charms.
              Semi Feral

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                #47
                Originally posted by starrunner View Post




                People don't have to piss in someone else's Cheerios just because they prefer Lucky Charms.
                Well put.
                I LOVE my Chickens!

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                • #48
                  I can appreciate a good example of any breed. There are plenty I have no interest in owning simply because they cannot do what I like to do, but I can certainly appreciate them for what they are. I tend to like a hotter horse (Arabs, TBs, the performance/ranch bred QHs, etc.), but see the merits in a calmer animal too.

                  My biases are like most here - I abhor breeding practices that produce color only, have bad feet, poor conformation, etc. Not a big fan of the QH halter horses with tiny feet who can't accomplish anything under saddle. Not a fan of the halter Arabs (my favorite breed) with faces dished so extreme they can't breathe. Not a fan of anything bred purely for color and to heck with actual ability to do anything.

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                  • #49
                    I own a Standardbred. I've had two people stop me out of the blue, totally unprovoked to tell me at length how much they hate STBs. And I mean, viciously talk bad about them. They can't canter, they are deranged from the track, aren't good for dressage, were bred to race on the flat so can't go up hills, will bite you as soon as look at you, are ugly as homemade sin, etc.

                    I don't get it. I got my mare as a fresh from the track 3 year old. As a beat up, cowardly older rider, most would say I made a bad choice. But I'm telling you, this is the smartest horse I've ever owned. As soon I realized she wasn't going to kill me, and she realized I wasn't going to make her race, we reached an accord. She faithfully packs me around like she's been doing it her whole life. So, I guess now I'm a bit breed biased as I will never own anything else but an STB
                    One cannot think well, love well, sleep well, if one has not dined well. - Virginia Woolf

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by mrs.smith View Post
                      I own a Standardbred. I've had two people stop me out of the blue, totally unprovoked to tell me at length how much they hate STBs. And I mean, viciously talk bad about them. They can't canter, they are deranged from the track, aren't good for dressage, were bred to race on the flat so can't go up hills, will bite you as soon as look at you, are ugly as homemade sin, etc.

                      I don't get it. I got my mare as a fresh from the track 3 year old. As a beat up, cowardly older rider, most would say I made a bad choice. But I'm telling you, this is the smartest horse I've ever owned. As soon I realized she wasn't going to kill me, and she realized I wasn't going to make her race, we reached an accord. She faithfully packs me around like she's been doing it her whole life. So, I guess now I'm a bit breed biased as I will never own anything else but an STB
                      I have never heard that STBs have questionable temperament.
                      Most are some of the nicer, calmer, most obligating horses around, especially those trained for the track, that are handled so very much and well by good professionals.

                      The one I had and used in endurance was just one such jewel, one of the most trustworthy horses I ever knew.
                      She did have to learn to canter, had an awesome trotting stride she had to learn to contain and control first.

                      Go ahead and laugh at their ignorance, duh!

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                        I have never heard that STBs have questionable temperament.
                        Most are some of the nicer, calmer, most obligating horses around, especially those trained for the track, that are handled so very much and well by good professionals.

                        The one I had and used in endurance was just one such jewel, one of the most trustworthy horses I ever knew.
                        She did have to learn to canter, had an awesome trotting stride she had to learn to contain and control first.

                        Go ahead and laugh at their ignorance, duh!
                        And laugh I do Thankfully, there is a young girl competing at eventing near me on her STB. She is quite the ambassador for the breed. I hear her horse can canter AND go up hill rather nicely
                        One cannot think well, love well, sleep well, if one has not dined well. - Virginia Woolf

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                        • #52
                          As a farrier/trimmer, I work with a lot of horses and different breeds. I don't really have any favorites to work on but generally avoid drafts as they are so freaking big and hard to do...and it seems like the chunkier QH's tend to lean more than others! Generally the larger or heavier they are built, the harder it seems to be for them to stand well for me. Exceptions to the rule of course are found. I certainly don't criticize anyone's choice of breed.

                          For my own horses I like them smaller. I have no interest in owning a big horse of any breed ever again...you couldn't give me one. I used to ride big ones in my eventing days but a "pony" sized mustang won my heart and there was no looking back. I had so much more fun eventing on that scopey little guy than any of my big horses.

                          I can mount my 14:1 Spanish Mustang/Colonial Spanish gelding from the ground anywhere and his naturally long stride gets me there just as fast as the TB x I used to ride...and he's way way tougher...hard sound bare feet, super easy keeper, and is a blast to ride...quick and agile and a good jumper. I lost more time undersaddle to lameness in my eventing days than anything else and since making the switch to what i have now, I can't hardly remember a lameness other than an odd injury or very rare abscess.

                          I mostly trail ride these days and hope to try some endurance but am quite sure if I wanted to event again or do dressage, I'd have a talented enough horse to have a good time and get around the courses safely. My gelding LOVES to jump and is bold, and the breed in general seems to be natural round backed jumpers. I haven't seen one yet that isn't oddly enough.

                          I wanted to add to that the older I get the more important temperament is to me. I love the good sense, calm nature, and intelligence of my horses now and have no desire to deal with hotter type breeds.

                          Also, the Spanish Mustangs are a breed with a studbook going back to the 1950's and have been domesticated longer than that and in some strains were never feral at all. They are not the same as the feral horses that you adopt from the BLM today. Some of the feral mustangs are related to our horses but nearly all on the range today are mixed with ranch stock. I wanted to mention that it can be confusing.
                          Last edited by Ridge Runner; Sep. 22, 2013, 10:12 PM.

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                          • #53
                            I like all breeds but am a little pickier about what I would own. I do not currently want anything gaited or pinto. The first because I like my w/t/c and the second because I just really don't care for the way they look. Lots of lovely examples of both out there, just not my cup of tea. I prefer lighter, energetic horses so I own a TB and an arabian.

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                            • #54
                              Not really breed biased, as I've owned a QH, a Friesian/App cross, and now a Trakehner. When I went to look at the Trak, I heard all the stereotypes: that they're crazy, hot, etc. I kept an open mind, and he turned out to be one of the sweetest horses I'd ever met. We played around with some ground work in the indoor arena while waiting for the trainer to get there. The best part was playing follow the leader while loose. He basically said, ok you're my person. One month later, I brought him home.

                              I've ridden so many different horses, but I think I'll be looking for another Trak when the time comes. Just such a wonderful breed for me.
                              My May boys: Beau, Neon, Criss

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by starrunner View Post
                                The type of breed bias which I hate is when people are disparaging to someone breaking the mold (say a gaited horse jumping or a halter type Quarter Horse doing well in ranch work). People don't have to piss in someone else's Cheerios just because they prefer Lucky Charms.
                                That about sums the discussion I had with DSD on the way to school this morning. She was irritated over some disparaging remarks on Instagram regarding our Appy mare (a la, "Why are you jumping an appaloosa? Get an english horse"). Mare has very old lines and looks like a small WB. I've had several people ask me if she's really full app on account of her sporty, uphill build and large movement. But this goes back to inconsistency within the breed and difference between an app sporthorse and a more/less spotted QH. Same breed but way different breeding, and you can't judge the ability of one based on the stereotype of the other.
                                "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                                • #56
                                  I'm not a big fan of purebred Arabians. Anglos, morabs, quarabs, anything abs are fine. I don't really like the look (most are super dainty) or "hot headed"ness. I did ride some awesome Polish arabs when I was younger and liked them a lot. Then in high school I rode one who really enjoyed running me as close as possible to the wall and squishing my leg. In college I rode one who is the only horse to date who has reared with me. I suppose it's just an anti-daintyness and a few bad experiences that cause some bias in me.

                                  I also have a ridiculous bias towards Holsteiners due to their breeds name moreso than anything about them. Every time I hear Holsteiner I think "moo cow". It is to no fault of the breed/registry, they are lovely horses.

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                                  • #57
                                    What's sad is when some breeds, who are absolutely not compatible with some facets of riding, have owners who demand the be included or the competition changed so their chosen horse can compete.
                                    This is where starrunner's quote on not pissing in their Cheerio's comes in....

                                    I love a good horse or any breed or color. Of course, I have my preferences (Saddlebreds) and I don't fault anyone else for their preferences, I just find it annoying when others make assumptions on an entire breed based off an experience with one or two horses of that breed.

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                                    • #58
                                      I have a soft spot for appaloosas. (Which is just as well as that's what 4 out of the five faces I am feeding at the moment are...) I like their quirkiness and intelligence.

                                      I'm a bit squicked out by horses with blue eyes, but that's about the only bias I have, I think, and even then, a good horse is a good horse. I've met fine examples of just about every breed over the years, and some not so fine...

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by shakeytails View Post
                                        Hmmm, I've never heard the crazy comment about a Morgan.

                                        Those crazy Ay-rabs, though, they're another story!

                                        Arabs and appaloosas are probably the breeds I hear "picked on" the most. And it's always fun to try to ruffle an Arab person's feathers with a "crazy" remark. I rather like some of the Arabian quirkiness.
                                        And I have a 16.2 h.h. Araloosa! The best (?) of both worlds. Purpose bred for dressage, and a lovely mover. My bias: QUARTERloosas. Nothing wrong with a good QH, but Appies are NOT supposed to be QH clones with a little color. Gah! The registry even changed the "model" Appy from an illustration of a lean, somehwat leggy horse (Geo. Philppen illustration) with middle of the road saddlehorse (not saddlebred) conformation to just another Oren Mixer QH with some white dabbed on its butt. My horse would not even get looked at by a breed show judge, but he does well in open dressage competition.

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                                        • #60
                                          Saying it is a breed bias makes it sound like people are doing something wrong.

                                          I suppose you would say I have a pickle bias since I do not like sweet pickles.
                                          I am just not sure when having a preference for one thing over another became a bias.

                                          Last I shopped for a horse the requirements were sound barefoot (so I guess I am biased against horses who have to wear shoes to be sound, have one of those, that is enough for me); wanted it to know how to drive (so I was biased against horses with no driving training); had to have a beginner friendly temperament.

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