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  • #21
    I have had five different horses, and five different breeds. I have loved them all and appreciate each as an individual. Only two were similar--my first horse was a TB-QH cross, and one of my current horses is a Paint. The rest were a variety--Appaloosa, Welsh pony, Hackney pony.

    Rebecca

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    • #22
      Here is a lovely, well bred and uber-athletic "horse of color" (I loffs him!) by Big Boy, he got 3rd in his division (am I using the correct terminology dressage folks??) at the Region 6 Champs this weekend--

      http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5500cc7b.jpg

      Now, this is my idea of a perfect horse, a half-Arabian by Tristtan (I have met this guy and if I was just *this* much closer to finishing my Masters I would have bought him. Her has a PPE this week I heard this morning). He is also the right color --

      http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse...rse_id=1883918

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      • #23
        I have no problem with people having preferences, I certainly know I have my own tastes for type, breed, etc. but what drives me crazy is people who make unfair generalizations about breeds of horses. There is a boarder at my barn who constantly says how she will never own a Morgan or Arabian because they are completely crazy. She only likes quarter horses because of how quiet and safe they are. I have seen many a fine Morgan and Arab, and several nasty as heck and downright dangerous QHs, just like there are dead quiet and psychotic thoroughbreds, walkers, hafflingers, etc.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by VTMorgan06 View Post
          ....but what drives me crazy is people who make unfair generalizations about breeds of horses. There is a boarder at my barn who constantly says how she will never own a Morgan or Arabian because they are completely crazy.
          Hmmm, I've never heard the crazy comment about a Morgan.

          Those crazy Ay-rabs, though, they're another story!

          Arabs and appaloosas are probably the breeds I hear "picked on" the most. And it's always fun to try to ruffle an Arab person's feathers with a "crazy" remark. I rather like some of the Arabian quirkiness.

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          • #25
            Interesting! I would like to think that I don't really have a breed bias, there are breeds that I don't know much about and am not really drawn to because they aren't suitable for my discipline(eventing/dressage). But I honestly haven't met a horse I didn't like. Maybe they weren't the right horse for their rider, but that doesn't mean they aren't a good horse.

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            • #26
              I've ridden and loved 'em all. But I have a thing for TBs and WBs!

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              • #27
                I have a bias FOR certain types, but don't have a bias against any types.
                Basically I have my preferrences, when given a choice or when horse shopping I will gravitate towards the same type of horse every time. I can't say breed because while I definitely have favorite breeds I'm most apt to shop or choose by type and that's not always in my favorite breed list.
                I like short, but wouldn't turn down tall if the rest of the animal fit my other criteria.
                I like cobby builds, a horse on the wide side without being table-topped. (I have narrow hips, draft backs make me sit in a split, LOL) So a cob or stock or baroque build is my fave type of ride. I have never liked riding narrow horses, they feel odd to me. I don't hate them, they just feel weird. So some really narrow built horses I'd pass on, some may think that excludes some like TBs but some TBs are narrow and some aren't. And I love the TB can-do attitude.
                I love cold blood looks and hot blood personalities. I love great big noggins on a horse, to me they're distinguished and lovely. But I can definitely admire and appreciate an Arab's lovely profile.
                I don't have a discipline requirement...I like learning new ones. But I do prefer disciplines that are more athletic than not.

                So while I can definitely appreciate the looks or the athleticism or whatever of narrow, tall, tiny headed, willowy, movement, etc of many fantastic breeds out there I also don't feel bad saying they're great but not my cup of tea. Just like someone couldn't give me a sports car for free...but also couldn't pry me out of a muscle car.

                Does it make sense? Yes and no. Does to me, probably not to anyone else.

                Make sense of this:
                I'd take a Shetland in a heartbeat, but not probably not a draft.
                I'd love a reiner, gamer, cutter or ranch horse but have no interest in owning a pleasure horse.
                Jumper? Yes. Hunter? No thanks. Field hunter? Yes.
                Lusitano or Andalusian? Hell yes. Lipizzan? No thank you.
                Section D? Yes. Fjord? Yes. Haffie? Yes. Morgan? Yes. Appaloosa? Hell yes. Grade? If the type fits...yes.
                Any of those 17+ hands? Probably not. (however if someone comes up with an 18hh Fjord I might say yes because that would be unusual as heck, LOL!)
                Mini horse? Probably not. Mini donk? Oh yeah.
                Any of the various WBs? Probably, depends on the horse and the size. German riding pony? Yes.

                So I figure my exact type would be: A Lusitanaloosa the color of a Fjord and 14hh. Attitude and marish.

                But who in their right mind would breed that???
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                • #28
                  I'm less breed/registry biased than function biased. I have a type. I look for certain conformation and movement. It may be easier to find those specific attributes amongst particular breeds, but when I stumble across what I, breed isn't much of a concern. There is so much inconsistency amongst some of the breeds that it's nearly impossible IMO to claim to dislike the breed in general terms. Personality is secondary. Pretty is as pretty does, and I'm not about to waste my time with something that lacks work ethic and honesty regardless of how snazzy it is in the confo, movement, athletic, or breed departments. Simply put, I want the horse that can do the job.
                  "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                  • #29
                    I love a beautiful, well put-together horse of color, especially buckskins, duns, grullas, and roans....ESPECIALLY if they have a great brain. I do, however, cringe over the people who are biased towards so-called "pretty colors" and think that any horse of that color is just fabulous. I've had well-meaning friends send me ads and pictures of buckskins (I own two, so people know that I just love them), and the horse in the ad is a conformational disaster or completely unsuitable for anything I'd ever want to use the horse for. Just because I appreciate the unique color, doesn't mean that I'm stupid and am going to like everything out there.

                    I can usually find something in every breed that I like or can appreciate, even though it might not be a breed that I'd ever want for myself. My favorites, however, tend to be most warmbloods, TBs, cobs, draft crosses, and cool Irish bred horses. That being said, both of my horses are QHxs. Growing up, one of the best horses we ever owned was a saddlebred/draftX (non-gaited). She was simply fabulous and did everything we ever asked of her.
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                    • #30
                      There are definitely certain breeds that I would not seek out.

                      I love my Saddlebreds. They are geared right for me. I love ambitiousness, gameness, and a horse who wants to please. You don't have to push push push and drill to get things done with them. I love that.

                      There are breeds that I also definitely would NOT really seek out if I was in the market.

                      I've found that your average stock horse breed horse isn't really my cup of tea. I can appreciate a good one and a nice WP horse is certainly kind of fun to ride. But generally they are geared wrong for me. I just don't really connect with their temperaments/low geared-ness and I have a hard time reading them.

                      My experience with Friesians has left me unimpressed, generally. Just not really easy to get along with. My experience has been that they are happy as hell to be your buddy but they don't have a very strong work ethic and won't offer you a single tidbit more than what you are asking for. That's not to say I don't appreciate an outstanding individal... I can definitely look at one and appreciate one who is excelling at what they are doing. But in general... Not what I want to ride.

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                      • #31
                        I'm a thoroughbred gal. I don't plan on owning anything. Else. Now I will admit they aren't for everyone; the best never is.

                        I don't understand Dumbblood - enormous plodding beasts for those who can't handle TBs.

                        I have to say that I have loved every horse I've ever met though, even the ones I hated. Basically, as long as it goes 'neigh' ( or hee-haw) I'm in.
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                        • #32
                          I have terrible breed bias. Since I started riding (lessons) when I was sixteen but didn't own a horse until I was almost forty I've been on over 150 horses so far (not hard to do, that's only about 7 different horses a year) since I would ride anything I could. I've ridden about 30 Arabs and didn't like any of them, they're just not right in the head for me. I've only liked one TB. Oddly I love Paso Finos because they're a forward, sensitive horse and the ones I've ridden have been non-spooky and level headed, but I love QH's because they're usually responsive and calm, and can be completely push-button in a way I don't find in other breeds. I can understand why other people don't like them and consider them boring. Not everyone wants a "dead head".

                          Haven't found any other breeds that make me really happy. Not that I would turn anything down if I didn't have a horse to ride.
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Malda View Post
                            I have terrible breed bias. Since I started riding (lessons) when I was sixteen but didn't own a horse until I was almost forty Oddly I love Paso Finos because they're a forward, sensitive horse and the ones I've ridden have been non-spooky and level headed, but I love QH's because they're usually responsive and calm, and can be completely push-button in a way I don't find in other breeds. I can understand why other people don't like them and consider them boring. Not everyone wants a "dead head".

                            Haven't found any other breeds that make me really happy. Not that I would turn anything down if I didn't have a horse to ride.
                            This describes me. I was a horse crazy little girl but we could never afford one growing up so bought my first horse at 39 (a QH). Fast forward and DD outgrew the pony we were leasing for her so she took over riding him and he became her horse. I was riding Hunters at the time and was finding my lower back was becoming less tolerant of the whole two point thing as well as the horse wanting to be on the forehand at canter and me not having the endurance or desire to be athletic in my riding.

                            Then this little Paso sort of fell in my lap and now I'm just enjoying riding my smooth little trail buddy. I'm a riding weenie so never thought I would enjoy a forward minded horse.
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                            • #34
                              We warmbloods like ourselves, because we are bred for performance.

                              Our owner thinks TBs are the greatest. Well drat to that! We have TB blood in us two too.

                              It's all a matter for humans of what you grew up with. But there can be other considerations, like what do you plan to do with the horse. For example, we're not too swift, and we wouldn't do well in barrel racing. Warmbloods are bred to be multi-purpose horses, so we do well in jumping and dressage, both disciplines by each horse. But we'd finish up the track in a race. Or we'd stop and ask what the h*** we were doing in a race or running barrels.

                              ETA Remember, warmbloods are not breeds, they are registries. The trakehners are the closest to a "real" breed. We combine the best of TBs and Arabs.
                              Last edited by WildandWickedWarmbloods; Sep. 22, 2013, 02:00 PM.

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                              • #35
                                I think breed stereotyping is the hallmark of a piss-poor horseman. A real horseman sees the animal in front of them and judges an individual by its merits.

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                                • #36
                                  For about the first ten years of being around horses, I had the biases that those, more experienced horsepeople around me, expressed. I figured they must be right. You know, QHs are tractable family horses (good), Appys are crazy, TBs are thin skinned and have too many vet issues, WBs are blocky and dumb, and Arabs are flighty.

                                  Since then, I have met a lot more horses and see exceptions to every bias often enough to dismiss them altogether. My first cowpony was a QH, as was my second. The third was an Arabian and now, I'm training a half-blind Morgan to do light ranch work. I'd use a TB, Appy or anything else for the same job. They might not move the same way as the quick little QHs, but they can still do the work. A good horse is a good horse.
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
                                    I think breed stereotyping is the hallmark of a piss-poor horseman. A real horseman sees the animal in front of them and judges an individual by its merits.
                                    You might be right about "breed stereotyping," but you're dead wrong on "breed typing."

                                    When you ride a horse you ride every horse in the pedigree. What you have in front of you is the result of decisions made both near and far. In the U.S. we are not used to consistent breeding. In other countries you'll find a very different, and much more disciplined, approach to breeding.

                                    So, yes, the horse in front of you is what you evaluate and ride. But it's not a "clean slate." It comes with all manner of characteristics, including temperment.

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                                    • #38
                                      I have ridden all kinds of horses, even tiny shetlands, since I am very short and used for years to not quite weight 100#.

                                      I have liked them all, each one for what it was, but kind of prefer the quiet minded, forward ones with easy way of moving, rather than the ones with plodding gaits.

                                      Some awesome reiners ride like a car with square wheels, really choppy and rough, but they can nail the movements wonderfully.
                                      I still don't enjoy them like the smooth, forward moving ones I prefer.

                                      The same with some race horses I was training, some were rough to ride, some smooth as glass and those were sure easier on you.

                                      Jumping, if it jumps, I don't care what it moves like, there nothing else does, just like in cutting, if it has it, size, color breed, sex, age, nothing else really matters, if it cuts, it is good, very good.

                                      So, it depends what we are doing and the horse we have to do it with what is better and that can contribute, for some, to breed bias.

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                                      • #39
                                        I certainly hope that those of us who breed whether for a certain type or to a breed standard have bias. How else do you have goals and try to breed for the best? Now just because I have a definite preference does not mean I cannot appreciate a quality horse no matter what its purpose or background is. I may not want to invest my dollars in it because they are already spoken for but that in no way means I cannot appreciate its beauty or talent. At the end of the day, though, I have limited cash and I will spend it on what makes my heart go pitter-patter on the good and bad days, rain or shine....so yes, I have definite breed bias.
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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by GaitedGloryRider View Post
                                          I think breed stereotyping is the hallmark of a piss-poor horseman. A real horseman sees the animal in front of them and judges an individual by its merits.
                                          This always amuses me. If you haven't ridden many horses then yes, they will all seem different. However I've ridden so many that after awhile I began to see breed differences, and that's not a bad thing. Different horses for different jobs. That's how I finally learned breeding papers matter (I thought they were just for showing and breeding). An Arab who comes from racing bloodlines is going to be different than one from halter champions, or endurance stock, etc.
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