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  • What are your winter plans and WWYD?

    Every winter I schlepp my horse to an indoor and put him in full training. But now he's 5 and his training is very established so It's not a given that I HAVE to do that. I hate riding in the winter and the extra drive to the indoor.

    Last winter I hated the barn we ended up boarding at. The footing was dusty, the place stank and they didn't give water in turn out. I have not idea how they never had a horse colic from that. But I sprung him after a couple months and that was that.

    I'm North of Boston and my trainer is in Central MA so I'm looking at a limited geographic area.

    But I'm wondering if I should even bother?

    My options are this:

    Send pony to my old dressage trainer 2 hours away who I trust and I think she'd do a great job with him. Cheap (relatively) . She'd put some mad dressage moves on him but I'd miss him like hell.

    Fancy dressage barn with high ring fees if I want to use my regular H/J trainer. Even for training rides which we do a lot of because I'm a cold weather wuss. But care level is super awesomest. And I'd get to do some dressage with the best. (My trainer thinks this would be a great opportunity so no conflict there, I just don't want to ditch her for the winter).

    Do nothing and let him get fat and fuzzy an trail ride in the snow with our new awesome barn manager and truck him to various indoors as time permits.

    Send pony an hour away to my trainer's new barn and she rides him most days and I get there one or twice a week.

    What do you guys without Indoors do? I bought my horse as an unstarted 2 year old so keeping him going through the winter used to be a high priority. Now, not so much. But we're doing so well I'm not sure I want to just stop...

    WWYD?
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  • #2
    Five years old?
    He is still learning work ethic and that requires, well, consistent work.
    If he is not worn from what you have been doing, where he is needing a break or easying up, I would keep him in steady work all along.
    What he learns in his early years will make him a Steady Eddie for the rest of his life, which is priceless.

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    • #3
      I'd either find an indoor nearby that you can board at with appropriate care or send the horse to the trainer for the Winter. However, even with the indoor if you foresee yourself skipping many rides because of the cold I'd send the horse to the trainers. Your horse is still fairly young and consistent work is best.

      I feel your pain I just went through a similar dilemma about what to do for the winter.

      Good luck!

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      • #4
        how long is winter there? here winter is the week of Jan 3rd through Jan 10th; so no big deal.

        I lean toward the a plan of doing nothing much that he had done in the past until the of beginnings of Spring

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        • #5
          Please don't let a 5 year old sit around. You'll regret it when he's 13

          I'd send him to the indoor where you can ride once a week, and the trainer rides the rest.
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          • #6
            You're in Boston? I'd send him to Ron Zohar (at Shining Valley Farm in Medfield) for the winter. As a fellow cold-weather-wuss... I will mention that the lovely indoor is heated

            The care is wonderful and Ron is a fantastic trainer.
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              #7
              I'm North of Boston so Medfield would not work.

              He wouldn't be sitting if we didn't go indoors. We'd just mostly be hacking.
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              • #8
                I'm surprised you found someplace around here that does not give water in turnout. I've encountered a lot of people in VT/NH/NY that do that, especially in winter, but not in MA.

                Personally, I would do option C or D. I would have no interest in having my horse be 2 hours away or waste my money on a fancy dressage barn- which in the area you specified is probably 1000-1500 - especially if I wasn't sure I wanted to ride in the cold.

                Winter around her is sooo variable- remember 2 years ago we got NO snow? You might be able to keep riding him outside all winter. Or it could be like last year, where we didn't get much until so late you probably would have already brought him home.

                I would not let a 5 year old sit on his butt all winter, only because I've done it before and early spring was NOT FUN. Do you have any idea what your horse is like in the winter? I have a 19 year old QH that is dead broke and bombproof right now, but in February and March when I've only been able to ride once a week and he has "winter brain" I remember why I don't have a young green horse.

                Could you start with option C, and if it snows a lot or gets way too cold and you find yourself not riding, go to option D? Does your trainer have that kind of flexibility with her new barn?

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                • #9
                  i'd give his brain a rest and hack out when you can. none of my horses ever suffered from lack of work coupled with great care--they just started back up again when the time was right.
                  hacking in winter can be a great way for him and you to learn to be comfortable in all settings, and make him into a good all rounder. too many can only ride in an arena which isn't good for anyone imho.

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                    #10
                    We LOVE hacking. Most of the places we've wintered over don't have good trails so I'm not sure what hacking him in the winter would be like. I think his winter brain (which sucks) comes mostly from lack of turnout. Part of me wants to leave him at home where he has access to turnout 24x7 and he's totally unstresed and see if the winter brain doesn't appear.

                    There are a couple indoors we could truck to. I'll have my zippy Boeckmann trailer by then so we should (hopefully) be quite mobile.
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                    • #11
                      Personally what I would do is let my baby have the winter off and just hack. Let him be a horse during the coldest time of the year and just have fun with him. My 5 year old tb has been off all summer but we are in SC where summer is brutal. He also has been recovering from athroscopic surgery on his knee.
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                        #12
                        Another option would be to hang out for most of the winter and send him to my trainer (55 miles away) in March for a little rehab to get him ready for "real" riding in the spring...
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                        • #13
                          I don't have an indoor; I brought my horses home January 2012 and have since learned to ride outside through the winter. I had to stop for part of last winter because the snow got WAY too deep (we're talking 3-4 feet deep on top of the regular snow pack). Other than that, we have snow on the ground for about 5 months of the year and I have found that I can still do some good schooling at the walk/trot on the snow without problems. Why not just try it for one year (or for just a month, or whatever) to see if you like the time to relax? If his training is fairly well-established, you won't lose much.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chaila View Post
                            We LOVE hacking. Most of the places we've wintered over don't have good trails so I'm not sure what hacking him in the winter would be like. I think his winter brain (which sucks) comes mostly from lack of turnout. Part of me wants to leave him at home where he has access to turnout 24x7 and he's totally unstresed and see if the winter brain doesn't appear.

                            There are a couple indoors we could truck to. I'll have my zippy Boeckmann trailer by then so we should (hopefully) be quite mobile.
                            95% chance the winter brain will appear no matter what. My herd lives out 24/7 and even with tons of exercise they are simply different horses summer (compliant, no spook, good work ethic, but would be just as happy to plug along behind the leg on a loopy rein) vs winter (forward forward LET'S GO!! OMGERD WHAT'S THAT?! fire-breathing dragons).

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                            • #15
                              My young horses don't spontaneously combust if left to their own devices for a couple of months in winter. I think they last longer because they get a good break. In the old days, all the horses got down time and mine do now unless I have a specific show or training goal that is incompatible with that.

                              I will still ride every now and then when footing permits, and they are out most of the time.

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                                #16
                                I'm totally not worried about him having the downtime. This guy has a solid mind and he's still growing. I know lots of people give young horses a few months off to chill as part of their training.

                                I think I've made a decision. I'm going to leave it up to Karma. If the right stall comes along, I'll take it. If not, I'll keep him at his home barn and let my trainer kick start him in March.

                                So, I'll poke around and see if I can find anything appropriate, but if it doesn't, no biggie .
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                                • #17
                                  sounds like the perfect plan!

                                  and btw, there is an astounding trainer in springfield vt I am inspired to mention. her name is Sheila and she is a feldenkrais practitioner as well as dressage trainer. if I were closer i'd be trailering in weekly to her during the winter.
                                  her last name escapes me as usual, sorry.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by clanter View Post
                                    how long is winter there? here winter is the week of Jan 3rd through Jan 10th; so no big deal.

                                    I lean toward the a plan of doing nothing much that he had done in the past until the of beginnings of Spring
                                    Winter up here is more like Thanksgiving thru Memorial Day
                                    "Sometimes the fear won't go away... so you just have to do it afraid."

                                    Trolls be trollin'! -DH

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by clanter View Post
                                      how long is winter there? here winter is the week of Jan 3rd through Jan 10th; so no big deal.

                                      I lean toward the a plan of doing nothing much that he had done in the past until the of beginnings of Spring
                                      Part of the problem is that no one really knows, ahead of time. Opinions vary about "climate change" but "increased climate variability" is definitely happening around here.

                                      The first winter I was a re-rider, it was cold but there was almost no snow. I mostly hacked out on a friend's horse 2-3 times per week, and took a weekly lesson in an indoor. That, as I have learned, was not a typical winter... but there isn't any such thing as a typical winter, now.

                                      Fast-forward several years and I am rehabbing my horse after suspensory surgery during the winter of 2010-2011. Vet wants her ridden outside on hard ground. This proves nearly impossible as there is so much snow that the hard ground is covered and/or very icy. We live in the indoor, where the footing is a bit too deep, and hate it; horse is spooky and badly behaved.

                                      2011-2012: almost no snow, but it's cold. We hack a couple of times per week, walking only because the ground is frozen hard. Ride in the indoor otherwise. I'd consider this to be a "good" winter.

                                      2012-2013: Snow in January, get horse out in the woods in the snow, where she learns that Skiers Do Not Eat Horses. No more snow until February, when we get whoomphed and there's basically a weekly storm until late March. Stuck in the indoor again, and then it's very muddy for most of April and May. Horse overly thrilled when we are able to be outside all the time.

                                      In past years, the cycle has been that places with indoors fill up in the fall, and at the fancier barns, every stall with a horse that goes south for the winter has a temporary replacement. But a few milder winters, combined with economic woes, seemed to have changed that. But this year, the barn where I board is Full, I mean FULL, as of October 1; I guess last winter convinced people to shell out a bit more money for use of an indoor.

                                      OP: horse out 24/7 sounds wonderful and as I am sure you know, almost no place with an indoor will offer that. I like the idea of hacking all winter and then sending him to his trainer for a full-training "refresher" month in March or so.
                                      You have to have experiences to gain experience.

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                                      • #20
                                        I bought my Arab as a 3yo. He got pretty much every winter off until he turned 6. He generally came back in the spring better, stronger and saner than he had been in the fall. This wasn't always 24/7 turnout, but he did get out 12+ hours a day.

                                        I did hack and play around on him a few times a week in the winter, but we never did anything serious.

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