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    A local trail ride service/company is pairing up with wineries to offer rides through the vineyards. The news video says people will have to wait to taste til after their ride, but how will they reinforce? The real kicker--helmets are not required.

    I'm wondering what kind, if any, insurance this company has. Could the vineyards be liable if someone got hurt?

    Link: http://www.nbc29.com/story/23429767/...marle-wineries
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    I assure you, it's been thought out ahead of time.
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    • #3
      Probably the same way they do at Triple Creek Horse Outfit in Sonoma, CA. Hop on, helmet encouraged but optional, ride through the vineyards, return and untack and you are given a tasting pass to next door Benziger Winery.

      No one is wine tasting in the saddle.



      By the way, I highly recommend this company. Well cared for, clean, well shod and wormed horses. safe. Gorgeous scenery riding through vineyards and redwoods. Great owner as guide.

      I was impressed that they had enough helmets to choose from to actually fit me, in order not to have to travel with my helmet.
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      • #4
        Sounds like a lovely idea. I once went on a judged trail ride where part of the route went through a vineyard. The owners had set up a rest stop and offered the riders a choice of a glass of their wine or apple juice, and they had apples and water for the horses.

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        • #5
          It will be good stuff for the wineries and the trail riding company. Everyone wins.
          Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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          • #6
            Sounds like a great idea. Why does it have to be posted with a negative connotation?

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              #7
              I didn't mean for it to come off in a negative way at all. I actually went to high school with and know the guy who owns the trail service (though we are not close). I was just surprised at seeing a riding and winery idea and could see it becoming unsafe. It would be awful if a horse spooked, tripped, etc and a guest came off and got hurt, especially with no helmet.
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              • #8
                I worked for a guided trail ride company, all the guests sign a big liability waiver. Plenty showed up in tube tops, flip flops, and tried to smoke while riding. The horses were DEAD broke and if an experienced rider tried to take them "off trail" the horses would refuse to go. If a horse showed any spirit it usually vanished.

                I did end up leaving due to mistreatment of the horses and having difficulties managing some of the guests when I went out solo with them.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AliCat518 View Post
                  I didn't mean for it to come off in a negative way at all. I actually went to high school with and know the guy who owns the trail service (though we are not close). I was just surprised at seeing a riding and winery idea and could see it becoming unsafe. It would be awful if a horse spooked, tripped, etc and a guest came off and got hurt, especially with no helmet.
                  Not sure why the horse would be any more likely to spook or trip than on any other trail ride. Pretty sure the horses aren't wine tasting!
                  Last edited by Snugglerug; Sep. 14, 2013, 10:12 AM. Reason: typo

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                  • #10
                    In all seriousness though, this is far from a new idea and actually very popular. Just google it and you'll find tons of rides through vineyards that include tasting. My dream vacay is a multi-day ride through the vineyards of Tuscany.

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                    • #11
                      Well, AliCat, I saw that and had the same thought too, though I am an admitted helmet fascist so perhaps I am over-sensitive.

                      As an instructor and business owner, though, IF the trail company has insurance, which I assume the vineyards' insurance company requires, I cannot imagine what they must be paying. Not requiring helmets coupled with riding outside of an enclosed area would make for one hell of a premium, I'd think.

                      To compare, I inquired with my regular liability agent about getting coverage to do pony rides at a local fair. Ponies would be behind my sheep panels (think 3' versions of round pen sections, metal, ponies totally contained), being led at all times, helmets and waivers required of all riders. Under these conditions, the quote to insure me for one four-hour period of time was $600. After I regained the ability to speak, I asked the agent why it was so much, and she simply stated, "The underwriting companies don't want to cover this risk, so they charge a punitive amount to discourage it."

                      Btw I take students off site, hunt, and outside an enclosed area all the time, so I'm not equating that with not wearing helmets. It's just a similar factor in running up the price of premiums.

                      Insurance companies. Yecch.
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                      • #12
                        I rode with Triple Creek while the state parks were going through some turnover so their Jack London and Sugarloaf operations were at Kunde winery and I didn't like the idea either until I broke down and did it, had a GREAT time.

                        Gave the tasting passes away, I can't stand wine, but I lucked out and we had an enologist on the tour so it was beautiful and educational.

                        TC has moved back to Jack London AFAIK.

                        I don't think that it is anything to worry about. The insurance company will have a very specific requirement (even though I think no helmets is dumb) and the waivers are getting longer and longer all the time.
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                          Originally posted by AliCat518 View Post
                          The news video says people will have to wait to taste til after their ride, but how will they reinforce? ... Could the vineyards be liable if someone got hurt?
                          Not sure that there's any difference between this and any other trail company that offers rides off their own property. Do you know many other companies that enforce a "no drinking before riding" policy?

                          Since alcohol is not being consumed during the ride, the vineyards will likely have the same liability as any other off-site property a trail rental operation rides on with the property owner's consent.

                          On a positive note, I had a fantastic experience on a trail ride with wine tasting DURING the ride. Equestrian Wine Tours by Jack Price in Oregon’s Willamette Valley- http://www.equestrianwinetours.com/services/
                          Owner is a great guide/character, let me try out his TWH ex-show horse's beautiful gaiting on a private ride. It was an experience of a lifetime! (If I remember correctly, he offers helmets, but adults can waive them)
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                          • #14
                            i don't understand the concern here? i grew up riding in the vineyards - they are not inherently more dangerous than any other place?

                            and why the concern about drinking?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mbm View Post
                              i don't understand the concern here? i grew up riding in the vineyards - they are not inherently more dangerous than any other place?

                              and why the concern about drinking?
                              Sure they have dangers, all those stakes and the watering systems, some pesticides, and the vineyard managers are just terrified your horse will spook and get tangled up and ruin some of the system. We were permitted to ride up and down the rows, which I gather was a rare thing, and even I couldn't keep my animal from trying to snatch a bite. I rode alongside the plantings in the Napa Valley when I was a kid and believe you me I got watched like a hawk to make sure we didn't damage anything.

                              Drinking, well most of the time they shuttle you off to the tasting room because the alcohol permits are not off sale or the vineyards aren't considered in the area covered. A drunk horseman isn't such a good thing if one drinks and rides, OP may be thinking of those beer can trail rides, some of those can get no fun, but wine tasting is not something I'd do to get drunk even if I was permitted to imbibe in the saddle.
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                              • #16
                                The vineyards probably pay a huge liability premium anyway - just think about all those nonriders who spend an afternoon tasting, then quaffing down a bottle or more of their favorite wines.. Of note, i would never trail ride anywhere w/o a helmet and if I knew I was going to ride, I'd drag my helmet w/ me... but there are many of people who might enjoy a trail ride thru a vineyard who aren't riders so they wouldn't have a helmet..

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                                • #17
                                  At least in PA, helmets seem to be required for people younger than 18 at any barn with liability releases, including public trail ride operations. Anyone 18 and over either agrees to wear a helmet or checks off that they refuse to wear one. I've had a huge amount of exposure to trail ride businesses because of the area I live in and the horse people I know. Trail ride businesses keep helmets on hand for those who do want to wear them. I'm not sure what my old barn owner pays for insurance to run her trail ride business (not exactly something you ask someone without them volunteering the information), but she makes quite enough money a day to cover it.

                                  A local trail riding business did partner up with a vineyard to do trail rides there along with their usual location. They had one of their horses buck a customer off and were kicked out of the vineyard. Out of the businesses I know, I consider this one to be poorly run and am not surprised it happened. But, I have no problem if a trail ride business did want to do rides at a vineyard. It's just a question if the business is run well.

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