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So here's what happens when you try to cheat.....

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  • Originally posted by Jaegermonster:
    BaliBandido, I guess this thread has become about perceptions as far as the trainer and their reputation and so forth. If I were a professional trainer, which I am not, I think I would do everything in my power to make sure that my behavior at horse shows and such was above reproach with nothing questionable occurring that could lead to such situations as this.
    I don't think it is a matter of perception when one comes out and makes direct statements about something that they witnessed. That is what shapes peoples perceptions, however. You do know what the title of this thread is right? 'So here's what happens when you try to cheat....' that does not leave much grey area there.

    As for making sure your behavior is above reproach, I think most people that are professionals do try to do that- but there are times when something unexpected happens as in this situation and what the trainer did by administering medication has been turned into something else altogether.

    I did not see anything in the trainers actions that should have made for such speculation. Seems to me a decision was made to medicate a horse under her care, with owners permission that was in distress, the process of administering that medication went badly and there was a violent reaction. That does not mean the decision to medicate him in the first place was wrong. Yet that decision has led to wild innuendo, name calling, misinformation etc. So how does one deal with that? The trainers actions did not cause all the bruhaha, it was the erroneous assumptions that followed that may have caused damage to a reputation. You seem to be indicating that the trainer was doing something questionable and therefore not above reproach- I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

    I am glad the horse is doing well.
    Sometimes going forward is as simple as never going backward.

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    • Originally posted by ESG:

      Thank you, xegeba. BB is still annoyed with me over another thread on the HJ forum, hence all the vitriol. I thought I'd let her get it out of her system, under the guise of playing devil's advocate on this thread. I hope it worked.
      I am not annoyed with you,nor do I think I expressed vitrol towards you. I just think one should not open their mouth to pass judgement until they have credible facts. Of course now I understand you were just playing devils' advocate and indulging me, thanks for playing. Ahh yeah

      Jaegermonster, I don't think any reasonable person who reads of a horse being drugged during a one day show for unclear purposes is going to call you hysterical. I certainly don't.
      Oops you did it again.......little devil. Drugged has those negative conotations, but you know that. Unclear purposes? Maybe one could have asked for clarification before posting? Nah, why do that? Facts so rarely matter anyway.

      I gotta give you credit, ESG you are a master of your own world.
      Sometimes going forward is as simple as never going backward.

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      • Originally posted by Huntermgr:
        As the president of XYZ HJA and the show manager I agree with the originator of this email string that the incident that occurred during the horse show was a distressing totally unnecessary event. Our organization has never had this sort of event occur during a show and we handled the incident as best we could during the show. As manager I insured that appropriate emergency help was obtained for the horse by contacting a reputable equine vet who came to our assistance despite the fact the horse in question was not a client of his. This vet responded quickly and and provided competent medical help and counselled the owner of the horse regarding what had occurred. We were and continue to be very appreciative of this vet and his rendering of first aid in this circumstance. We also appreciate all the exhibitors who came to the aid of this horse and helped to prevent any further injury to the horse and those located in the immediate vincinity. As show manager I also insured that horses who were located adjacent to the "downed" horse were evacuated from their stalls to prevent the possibility of their becoming injured while the horse was down in his stall. Many of our exhibitors were naturally concerned about the horse and then relieved when they found out the horse was okay. That being said, the organization is now in the process of dealing appropriatley with the people involved in the incident and with putting policies in place to prevent such incidents occurring in the future. We will be talking directly to the people involved in this incident to make sure we, as an organization, have all the facts straight. We have spoken to people at USEF regarding drug policies, downloaded the USEF Equine Drug Rule and Program information, Chapter 4 Drugs & Medication Chapter of the USEF Rulebook, and their "Practical Advise Regarding the 2006 Equine Drugs and Medications Rule" to help us formulate an organizational policy. Although as a local schooling organization we are not bound by USEF rules we try to adher to its guidelines as best we can and will institute the guidelines necessary to provide a safe drug-free environment for our exhibitors and their horses. Our board will be meeting to discuss what actions we need to take as an organization and will be informing our membership of our policy and the consequences of not adhering to organizational policy.

        Can we as an organization completely prevent doping or inappropriate use of drugs during a horse show? I am not naive enough to believe that to be true but I do believe we can put forth a strong policy and deal quickly and appropriately with individuals who decide to ignore the rules and whose actions are brought to our attention. If it is due to ignorance we will educate, if it is due to a deliberate decision to flaunt the rules, we will deal with the involved individuals according to guidelines we are setting up at this time. I appreciate the time and effort it took for all who have responded to this email string. Our organization is dedicated to putting on good safe horse shows and we will do whatever is required to make that happen.
        seems to me that Huntermgr is more in agreement with Jaegermonster than with big ben
        Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

        The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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        • Originally posted by SGray:
          Originally posted by Huntermgr:
          We will be talking directly to the people involved in this incident to make sure we, as an organization, have all the facts straight.
          seems to me that Huntermgr is more in agreement with Jaegermonster than with big ben
          Seems to me they had not yet gathered the facts, hence the 'we will be talking to' instead of 'we have talked to'.
          Sometimes going forward is as simple as never going backward.

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          • It would appear that you are just as likely to have anaphylactic like reactions from IV injections as you are to have a clostridial infection from IM injections... the difference being that IV shots are more difficult to administer properly. Hence, in my view ... IV is more risky.

            BOTH negative reactions are RARE.
            Not for Banamine. Most vets highly discourage giving Banamine IM.
            Article (free registration): http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=6466

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