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  • #41
    right, foxes come out during the day, so do coons. So do the people's dogs which have not been vaccinated. But rabies is ever present in GA. And when animals get sick, as with "dumb" rabies, and die, people do not have them tested. Now with a lot of media coverage, there will be more animals tested. And hopefully more animals vaccinated.

    One feed store owner's father told me one day that their ponies were staggering around and acting funny. I asked if they'd had any shots/vaccinations. No they hadn't. Ponies died. No tests run. I presumed they had EEE, but hey when you don't test, you don't know. Since rabies runs cycles thru the foxes and coons every 5 yrs or so, and cats and dogs do get tested when they bite someone or get bitten by a coon, the incidences of rabies here are pretty high.

    I wouldn't risk the barn cats at the barns where I've boarded. I have always paid to have them vaccinated for rabies. And I surely wouldn't want my horses to not be vaccinated. One is "laid up" on stall rest now in a cast. Vet says snake bite. But if it was some other animal, well Hattie Pattie had her rabies shot last February, so she's OK for that. No vaccination for cellulitis thought, darn it.

    I don't understand the anti-vaccination theories. The only "reaction" I've ever seen with horses was once when Cloudy and Callie & all the other horses at one barn got stiff necks from a vet using what we figured were old or not chilled vaccines, and bute solved that problem. And that was the full load of all vaccines for spring, rabies vaccine included, by that BO's old vet.

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    • #42
      Reactions definitely do exist, but I think that has to be evaluated on a case by case basis and not out of just fear.

      I do not vaccinate for strangles because (a) I watched the vaccinated horses get much sicker than my unvaccinated horse when it swept through a previous boarding barn and (b) the side effects can and have been fatal in an unacceptably high number of cases. Strangles is not generally fatal however, just gross, so not worth the risk for me.

      My Appendix DOES have a vaccine allergic reaction, he breaks out in hives and could potentially be at risk for anaphylaxis. However, we just give him some dex before he gets his shots and he is fine, problem solved. So stab away!
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      • #43
        West Coast/East Coast? Rabies is found in bats and squirrels on the West Coast, and probably skunks and raccoons. The case I mentioned above about horses with rabies? Marin County, California. Very definitely "west coast." I've never had a vet question my asking for rabies vaccinations. The only time I've had a horse have a reaction to it was in the '70s, in Golden Gate Park - and he got hives. He started to react about 15 mins after the shot, and we called the vet back ASAP so he could give him a shot of epinephrine (sp?). But I've never seen/heard of a severe/fatal anaphylactic reaction to the rabies vaccine. Not saying it couldn't happen, but the vets I have used have regarded rabies vaccation as pretty routine.

        ETA: Admittedly, rabies is infrequent in urban/suburban areas, and the case I cited was over 20 years ago. However, while there was only 1 case of animal rabies (reported) in Contra Costa County (SF Bay Area) California in 2011, as recently as 10 years ago there were 15 cases, and 7 years ago 13 cases. Of late, only 2 or 3 a year, but that's two or three too many if it's your cat/dog/horse.
        Last edited by Sandy M; Sep. 4, 2013, 05:33 PM.

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        • #44
          Years ago my equine vet told me of a horse which had contracted rabies - about a mile from my house.

          Ever since then I have my horses innoculated for rabies. Not much cost for a lot of piece of mind.
          Now in Kentucky

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          • #45
            I do all my pets. Mini horses, goats, sheep and dogs. I've been chased by a rabid raccoon years ago. Those sick coons are more scary than any old black bear around here.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Ticker View Post
              I agree with you horsepoor. I believe that physical location and the probability of occurrence should drive the decision what to vaccinate for.
              Horse vaccines are still mercury based which concerns me. It took quite awhile to get the mercury out of most if not all human vaccines.
              However, if I lived in an area where there was more opportunity for my horses to be infected, I would vaccinate more frequently. My horses were vaccinated for rabies as a precaution, but not annually. In my 30 plus years with horses, I have never heard of a rabies case in horses ...in my area. West Nile ..EEE yes...rabies no.

              Edited to add: My vets don't make vaccination decisions ...I do.
              You might find this interesting:

              http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsrabies/dsrabies_600px.jpg

              As of 2009 there wasn't a single state who didn't have any cases of rabies.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by dpndetfarm View Post
                You might find this interesting:

                http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsrabies/dsrabies_600px.jpg

                As of 2009 there wasn't a single state who didn't have any cases of rabies.
                Maybe I live in Hawaii....there were and still are zero cases of rabies. Oops...Hawaii became a state in 1959

                To be honest, based on this map, if I lived in Georgia, I would be afraid to leave the house without full body armor....Idaho...not so scary.

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                • #48
                  Here in WNY they are spreading bait for raccoons, foxes, whatever eats it, with rabies vaccine to try to keep it in check. This is done periodically, but there are still cases around.

                  Christa

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                  • #49
                    http://www.naturalnews.com/034696_ra...rop_Texas.html

                    Interesting...If not extreme

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by horsepoor View Post
                      At the risk of being piled on, I'm just going to say, I have asked every vet I've used here in SW Washington about the rabies vaccine every single time I've done my annual shots for the last, oh, 20+ years. Not one of them has recommended it. I'm talking every vet from the local yokel backyard cow/goat/horse vet to the $$$ equine specialist and including the vet that never says no to anything that might give him a few pennies of profit.

                      I was also really surprised that an acquaintance was bit by a raccoon on the coast here (raccoon and dog were tussling, owner intervened and was bit in leg) and was not required to undergo rabies shots, which I thought would be a given.
                      Count me in as another PNWer who has not had a vet recommend a rabies vaccine to me. No barn or show I have ever been to requires it, and at spring/fall barn vaccination days it's never been offered. I have only had one equine vet mention it in passing as a "maybe you should consider this." He pushed flu/rhino and strangles vaccine much harder. I don't think I know anyone who does vaccinate for it.

                      I am really curious why west coast vets are not pushing the vaccine. Anyone know? I have now been sufficiently frightened to add it to my vaccine protocols. While I don't believe my state as had a reported case of equine rabies in many years, we do have lots of rabid bats, and many cases of rabid raccoons and other critters.

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                      • #51
                        What to vaccinate for is often a regional issue.

                        In East TN the State Vet. recommends rabies vaccine as for the past several years we've seen an increase in rabid skunk moving from NC into TN. When we moved here 23 years ago nobody vaccinated for rabies. Today many, but not all, do. We go with the State Vet. recommendation.

                        If rabies is not a viable threat then I'd not do it.

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                        • #52
                          This map gives you an idea where outbreaks occur. It's very helpful for all other Equine diseases. I have it bookmarked but you can get e-mail alerts for your area by using your own zip code. Love it!

                          https://www.outbreak-alert.com/alert...spx?addr=54801

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                          • #53
                            Not true. Just as likely to be animals infected with Rabies in urban areas.

                            Originally posted by Sandy M View Post
                            West Coast/East Coast? Rabies is found in bats and squirrels on the West Coast, and probably skunks and raccoons. The case I mentioned above about horses with rabies? Marin County, California. Very definitely "west coast." I've never had a vet question my asking for rabies vaccinations. The only time I've had a horse have a reaction to it was in the '70s, in Golden Gate Park - and he got hives. He started to react about 15 mins after the shot, and we called the vet back ASAP so he could give him a shot of epinephrine (sp?). But I've never seen/heard of a severe/fatal anaphylactic reaction to the rabies vaccine. Not saying it couldn't happen, but the vets I have used have regarded rabies vaccation as pretty routine.

                            ETA: Admittedly, rabies is infrequent in urban/suburban areas, and the case I cited was over 20 years ago. However, while there was only 1 case of animal rabies (reported) in Contra Costa County (SF Bay Area) California in 2011, as recently as 10 years ago there were 15 cases, and 7 years ago 13 cases. Of late, only 2 or 3 a year, but that's two or three too many if it's your cat/dog/horse.
                            I have lived in a rural area for the past 13 years but when I lived in town, GTA area of Toronto, a very large city, I had a rabid fox crawl into my front yard, very sick and on its last legs. Luckily, I do know what rabies looks like and had my suspicions right away and called animal control. The animal was euthanised on the spot and subsequently tested positive for rabies. My dog was immediately quarantined on my property even though she had sense enough to stay away from the fox and she had always been vaccinated.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by sunridge1 View Post
                              This map gives you an idea where outbreaks occur. It's very helpful for all other Equine diseases. I have it bookmarked but you can get e-mail alerts for your area by using your own zip code. Love it!

                              https://www.outbreak-alert.com/alert...spx?addr=54801
                              Thank you for the link.

                              According to the map we've had a rabid bat in our part of the county. I killed a probable rabid skunk a couple of years ago. It's a real threat here. Can't say for elsewhere.

                              G.
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                              • #55
                                I have never vaccinated for rabies. I don't know anyone who does in my area. Rabies is rare here but if I lived in some of those states that were solid red on that alert map I'd be vaccinating for certain.

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                                • #56
                                  I have always vaccinated for rabies. All of my horses get vaccinated for the diseases that are certain death, which means rabies and tetanus. EEE/WEE and WNV are close enough in "certain death" to warrant vaccinations. Everything else for me is considered optional. But those 5 are definitely not optional.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Ticker View Post
                                    Maybe I live in Hawaii....there were and still are zero cases of rabies. Oops...Hawaii became a state in 1959

                                    To be honest, based on this map, if I lived in Georgia, I would be afraid to leave the house without full body armor....Idaho...not so scary.
                                    My bad, I saw a digit by Hawaii and my mind didn't read it as a zero. I probably magically added a 1 before the zero.
                                    Don't feel ignored. I am not completely ignorant.

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                                    • #58
                                      For what it's worth, confirmed rabies cases in Oregon: http://public.health.oregon.gov/Dise...abiesmap13.pdf

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by birdistheword View Post
                                        I am really curious why west coast vets are not pushing the vaccine. Anyone know? .
                                        I don't understand why people on this thread are thinking all west coast vets are the same and don't talk to horse owners about rabies shots. Twice a year when it's time for vaccines, owners around here are given the option for a rabies shot but it's the owner decision to make, just as it's the owners decision whether or not to vaccinate at all.

                                        Someone made a comment on the thread in Sporthorse Breeding, and based on that one comment, people suddenly started to believe that people on the west coast are ignorant about rabies shots. Apparently there are vets who don't offer it, but in the Bay Area, most vets do.
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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by jenm View Post
                                          I don't understand why people on this thread are thinking all west coast vets are the same and don't talk to horse owners about rabies shots. Twice a year when it's time for vaccines, owners around here are given the option for a rabies shot but it's the owner decision to make, just as it's the owners decision whether or not to vaccinate at all.

                                          Someone made a comment on the thread in Sporthorse Breeding, and based on that one comment, people suddenly started to believe that people on the west coast are ignorant about rabies shots. Apparently there are vets who don't offer it, but in the Bay Area, most vets do.
                                          Well, I'm not in the Bay Area...

                                          Obviously I don't think that all west coast vets are the same and don't talk about the rabies vaccine. Of course there are vets that do. But in reading other posts from west-coasters, and comparing to my own experiences, they seem to be in the minority. I know that a plural of anecdote is not data, but there seems to be a general trend of vets in my area not even mentioning the vaccine.

                                          Like I said, out of 6 vets that have vaccinated my horses or discussed vaccine protocols with me in the past 10 years, only one has mentioned the rabies vaccination. Why? There have been confirmed cases of rabies recently in my county. I'm genuinely curious.

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