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Jingles needed desperately- Patriarch of the Herd- UPDATE post#17

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  • Jingles needed desperately- Patriarch of the Herd- UPDATE post#17

    It's a time we all knew would come. The 36 year old patriarch of our family herd is nearing the end of his days. Old Buddy is one of the original 2 horses my parents bought each other as wedding gifts (my mother always loved horses and wanted one of her own, but growing up with a single mother, had to be content with riding her friend's horses. My father always dreamed of being a "cowboy" in a western). Bud is dad's horse. Poco, my mom's original horse, passed on her own in the pasture back in '99.

    I laugh when I tell people that Old Buddy has been in the family longer than I have!

    We are Old Buddy's 3rd owner. The people my parents bought him from had bought him as a young foal from an auction at Unadilla where momma went one way and baby went another...so small that he fit in the back of a pick-up truck with a cap on it. 2 years later, my parents would pass his pasture on their daily walks and the horse would follow them along the fence line, and wait for them to return and follow them back down it. They decided they needed this charming unbroken 2y/o stud. They breed him to my mother's mare and had 1 foal...Fawn. Tragically, Fawn had to be put down as a 2 y/o due to severe colic. That was the first horse my father ever had to shoot (and she was his BABY! The horse followed him around like a dog).

    Soon after Fawn was born, they gelded Buddy and he has since lived the great life...24/7 pastures, friends, only the occasional trail rides, and a very brief stint sometime in his 20s when I tried to turn him into a gymkhana horse when my show mare was down with Potomac horse fever. That failed miserably :-P

    For the past 5 years or so, we have had to feed old Buddy senior "mush" 3 x per day as he lost his back teeth and couldn't eat hay or grass. He also developed a tumor right at his throat area, but it wasn't concerning to the vet.

    Over the past day or so, he as stopped eating and drinking (no other signs of distress or high temperature). We had the vet out yesterday and she tried to tube him to see if it was a blockage. God Bless her, she tried and tried and tried and just couldn't get that tube down him (though he cooperated like a saint). We think either that tumor or another one that we don't know about has blocked him from being able to eat or drink. Dad tried feeding him a tiny bit and Old Buddy took a bite with gusto, but only one bite.

    It's so sad because he is otherwise very energetic and seeing him in the pasture, it's like there's nothing wrong except he is starting to look a bit skinny (he has always been on the slender-side though). My poor father knows what needs to happen, but feels like he owes it to his old friend to do the deed himself, not the vet. Only a few weeks ago, we had to put my old QH (the one that had the Potomac Horse Fever years ago) down. She was in obvious distress (breathing issues) and it was still hard for my father to do. That night, I told old Buddy when he thought his time had come, could he please just lay down in the pasture and go on his own? No such luck.

    The jingles are really for my father. How do you what you know needs to be done, to someone who has been your friend for 34 years?! I'm also worried that he is going to linger a bit as Dad was telling me that he will know it is time when he sees old Buddy in distress. I don't know if that will really ever happen without him really dehydrating and starving. I'm tearing up right now just thinking how odd it will be to not see that old gelding in our pasture. It will be the first time in my entire life.

    Thanks for reading this rambling narrative. It has already helped a bit just typing it out. :'(
    Last edited by Dramapony_misty; Sep. 3, 2013, 09:04 AM.
    The only thing the government needs to solve all of its problems is a Council of Common Sense.

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    It's so hard. I wish for peace for you, your family, and most of all, Old Buddy.

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    • #3
      Lots of jingles to you and to your dad. He is a real horseman. To have the courage to do the deed himself... Old Buddy will certainly be more relaxed to see his friend come than the vet, but it surely will be hard. It is wonderful to know that this horse has been with you for so long, been so loved and so well cared for. 34 years is certainly quite the endorsement!
      Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. Dr. Seuss

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      • #4
        If he's not eating/drinking and looking thin, I would not wait. Please don't let him starve/dehydrate.
        What's wrong with you?? Your cheese done slid off its cracker?!?!

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        • #5
          I'm so very sorry to hear what your family and Old Buddy are going through. I was in your shoes last year when my 30 year old companion of 20 years went off his food and developed a low grade fever. Long story short, it was his kidneys. My boy passed on his own while undergoing some treatments to see if we could reverse what he was going through. I spent that last week with him, telecommuting from the barn and praying for change. And I have regretted my decision every day since then, since I did have the opportunity to spare my heart horse that last week of sickness. But I had unrealistic expectations and didn't want to give up on my boy if he wanted to keep trying (which was me, anthropomorphizing). I made a vow to myself to be braver and stronger next time and do right by them, as they live in the moment. But that's me and I would never fault anyone for making different decisions based upon their own circumstances. You have to do what's right for you and for Buddy.

          How fortunate that Old Buddy lived his life out the way he did, surrounded by a family who truly loved him and took such amazing care of him. What a wonderful and full life he has had!

          Sending your family and Buddy warm and caring thoughts right now. Take care.
          Ulysses- the most perfect all-terrain vehicle ever. Hencho en Mexico

          Mr. Walter Bumblepants - Foster Dog Extraordinaire

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          • #6
            Jingles. Old Buddy has had a good life. Strength to your father for making it as easy as possible for Buddy.

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            • #7
              He sounds like a good old horse that lived the kind of life all horses deserve
              “Pray, hope, and don't worry.”

              St. Padre Pio

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              • #8
                Hugs and jingles for you, your Dad and for Old Buddy. Sounds as though he's lived the best life a horse could possibly have.

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                • #9
                  I am sorry, that is a very hard thing. Please encourage your Dad to help Old Buddy pass on ASAP. Tell him if he does not do it, YOU will call the Vet. The mesage above was right on target - do not let that horse starve and become dehydrated. If Dad still does not 'get it' tell him to imagine that he, himself is hungry and thursty but some obstructive blockage keeps him from eating and drinking. Old Buddy is becoming more hungry and more thirsty every.stinking.moment. that Dad delays the inevitable. If Dad will not stop the animal's suffering, you will need to get it done. Good luck and keep us posted.
                  Jeanie
                  RIP Sasha, best dog ever, pictured shortly before she died, Death either by euthanasia or natural causes is only the end of the animal inhabiting its body; I believe the spirit lives on.

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                  • #10
                    I would try to tell your father that rather some days too early than waiting until he is suffering in a crisis to do it.

                    I too thought I had to take care of my own animals, until a vet told me no, I didn't have to and since then, if possible, a vet has done it, even if I am perfectly able to.
                    There is a time to do what you have to do, a time to delegate and that is one for me.

                    Be sure your father knows he honestly doesn't has to to do it, but wold be nice if he assists the vet and holds him.

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                    • #11
                      Godspeed, Buddy.
                      I have a Fjord! Life With Oden

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                      • #12
                        Jingles! Praying for your family! I am sure Buddy has lived the best life possible :-) And I would call the vet out again to examine Buddy once more and have a serious discussion about euthanization. Just do the best for Buddy, and if you get a vet out to check Buddy again, have them talk w/ your father. The vet will be able to explain that euthanization would be best for Buddy. It would be much worse for him to starve or become dehydrated. Euthanization would be a better way to go.

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                        • #13
                          Peace and comfort to all.

                          Jingles for dealing with Dad.
                          Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                          Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                          • #14
                            Jingles ((Hugs)) it's tough to go through!!
                            The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                            H. Cate

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                            • #15
                              Hugs and jingles

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                              • #16
                                Jingles. So sorry your Dad (and you) are facing this. I've known a few Unadilla horses in my past. Thank you for sharing your story.
                                But he thought, "This procession has got to go on." So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn't there at all. H.C.Anderson

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                                  #17
                                  Well, good news...I think. Buddy started eating and drinking again on Saturday and has been close to normal ever since. The only thing we can think of was that whatever he had swallowed was just too tight to be flushed out (like a "cud" of hay that he accidentally swallowed...he usually spits them out).

                                  Am I a terrible person for only being half-happy that this occurred? My fear is that his "miraculous recovery" has only reinforced the "let's give him one more day to see if he gets better" line of thought.

                                  This whole thing taught me that all I can do is encourage an owner to do the right thing, but I cannot force them. Even when it's a fully grown adult trying to get her father to do what I feel is the right thing. I really feel for some of these BOs/BMs that have to deal with issues like this on a daily basis with clients.
                                  The only thing the government needs to solve all of its problems is a Council of Common Sense.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Dramapony_misty View Post
                                    Well, good news...I think. Buddy started eating and drinking again on Saturday and has been close to normal ever since. The only thing we can think of was that whatever he had swallowed was just too tight to be flushed out (like a "cud" of hay that he accidentally swallowed...he usually spits them out).

                                    Am I a terrible person for only being half-happy that this occurred? My fear is that his "miraculous recovery" has only reinforced the "let's give him one more day to see if he gets better" line of thought.

                                    This whole thing taught me that all I can do is encourage an owner to do the right thing, but I cannot force them. Even when it's a fully grown adult trying to get her father to do what I feel is the right thing. I really feel for some of these BOs/BMs that have to deal with issues like this on a daily basis with clients.
                                    I'm one of them, and have been following this thread with interest. Glad your ol' boy pulled out of it; every good day is just that.

                                    The way it goes with owners can be all over the map--I've had everything from people who wanted to put a perfectly healthy horse down just because he was old (talked them out of it) up to a woman whom even when her horse was down and unable to rise (she'd been resisting doing it for years, over vet advice) made us take 45 minutes on the phone to talk her into it.

                                    I've pretty much drawn a line now that says, if a horse in my care is in extremis and you won't listen to the vet who's telling you, not "asking" you, the alternative is the owner can remove the horse from my premises and do as they will. BTW, no one's ever done that; the vast majority are grateful I take care of all the "arrangements." It helps to have a boarding contract that gives you permission to treat, up to and including the final act, if the owners are unavailable or can't be contacted.

                                    My only comment on your situation is, the father doesn't have to put himself through what is, for a longtime owner, the hardest thing possible. He could have the vet do it rather than "being the one."

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                                      My only comment on your situation is, the father doesn't have to put himself through what is, for a longtime owner, the hardest thing possible. He could have the vet do it rather than "being the one."
                                      I suggested that and told him he doesn't have to be the one. He has convinced himself that doing it himself is his responsibility.

                                      I was right there by his side when he had to put my old QH mare down about a month ago, but she was in major respiratory distress so it was a more than welcome act. I did watch. Part of it was so he wouldn't have to bear the burden of that sight alone, and part of it was a touch of academic curiosity. I'd been lucky enough to never have seen it done. This time, I don't think I could watch, nor do I feel obligated too. If it was done by a vet, I definitely would be right there, but with a bullet? Nope. I actually dreamt it happening on Friday night and made the decision when I woke up that I really want no part of it.
                                      The only thing the government needs to solve all of its problems is a Council of Common Sense.

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                                        Originally posted by Dramapony_misty View Post
                                        I suggested that and told him he doesn't have to be the one. He has convinced himself that doing it himself is his responsibility.

                                        I was right there by his side when he had to put my old QH mare down about a month ago, but she was in major respiratory distress so it was a more than welcome act. I did watch. Part of it was so he wouldn't have to bear the burden of that sight alone, and part of it was a touch of academic curiosity. I'd been lucky enough to never have seen it done. This time, I don't think I could watch, nor do I feel obligated too. If it was done by a vet, I definitely would be right there, but with a bullet? Nope. I actually dreamt it happening on Friday night and made the decision when I woke up that I really want no part of it.
                                        I have heard vets say a bullet would be their preference for the horse, but it is too shocking for the humans present, so they don't, unless asked to do so.

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