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  • #21
    OK, maybe I do not understand something, but... In my country we have NAIS already and it is not so bad, it is working. I suspect that for you all there it is more political guestion instead of farming thing, but here it woks and works quite well. Main thing - all cattle must be registered, so vets can keep an eye on regular mandatory shots.

    According horses - well, all horses here must be registered, and must have passport. From next year - all must be microchipped for proper ID. What else - yes, when I'm moving a horse - any direction, for any porpose - I must to fill the horse transportation form 3X - one stays with me, other - to the owner of the place where horse goes, and the 3rd copy - to government Agriculture database. It is not really much paperwork to fill, but it gives a chance really trace the horse and it makes life better as we at least do not have any anonymous horses - like if horse is abandoned or mistreated, owner can not wash hands saying - it is not mine.

    Of course, there are still the back yard horses without registartion, but very small minority as if you want to do something public with horse - like participate at shows, passport with valid shots is mandatory.

    Pasprt has to be issued to the foal between 4 and 6 months while foal is still with mare. Then the description of the foal is made, and it is registered in gov database. You can not do it, but then you can not get pedigree, participate at sponsored breeding programs and so on. See, the positive thing - you must pay for all the paperwork and then gov pays you back your expenses - like expert, transport fees and all that - so basically it is mandatory, but it is forced by gov in a positive manner - do it right, and we shall pay you your expenses.

    It sounds funny but I have registered herd too - and other registration goes for the barn (in theory I can have herd located in different places, so the reason for 2 different registration numbers). And the transportation forms were filled when I took Shella down 2 miles to the stallion for half hour. It might sound ridiculous, but in long term it had worked here. I hate paperwork, but I see how it works.

    And yes, here you can not sell legally or breed legally cattle without NAIS numbers - (slaughterhouse regulations are completely different story here) but it works, indeed.
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    • #22
      Sorry Anna... still sounds like a huge govt. invasion of privacy to me... here in America we value our freedom and flexibility without having to explain/document our every twitch.
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      • #23
        As I said - I suspect that for you all there it is a political thing And with elections just around the corner everything must be political now...
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        • #24
          This isn't Latvia.

          And the biodiversity crisis applies to the European continent too. NAIS to monitor outbreaks of disease is not what NAIS is in the United States, or in Europe for that matter.

          Even then, that sort of control is simply impossible. And even if it was - I don't want to live under those conditions. It doesn't make me safer, that's for sure.

          My food comes out of my garden and pastures. I am far more confident of my ability to provide my own healthy nutritious food than I am of Big Brother to do so.

          No, AnnaCrew. This has nothing to do with the current elections. Many thousands of people, including state governments, have been fighting NAIS for many years.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by boosma47 View Post
            I humbly stand corrected on the origins of NAIS.

            BUT, these are the kinds of actions which a 'socialist' trend will encourage and require.
            No; this is flat out capitalism behind the setup--
            big ag insdustry wants to be sure international markets will take our exports, and the brokers see an enormous amount of leverage in being able to know exactly who has how many cattle, what age they are, etc. Easier to force the price down when negotiating with the ranchers.


            Term limits, anyone?!
            We already have term limits. They're called elections.
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            • #26
              I blame the French.

              They instituted something just like this last year. You can't so much as import a horse into the country without having to microchip.

              I'm never eating another F. fry as long as I live.

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              • #27
                NAIS is not a done deal. We just have to keep fighting.

                We are about to benefit from term limits; we must keep the pressure on whichever new administration we get.

                It's the corporations who want this most, big ag companies and also database and microchip companies. They have the access and they have a plausible story to tell about food safety. It is up to us to ensure that everyone knows the other side of the story.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by kiss my donk View Post
                  I blame the French.

                  They instituted something just like this last year. You can't so much as import a horse into the country without having to microchip.

                  I'm never eating another F. fry as long as I live.
                  French Fries are from Belgium, but it's probably a good idea to stop eating them anyway.

                  Isn't this an EU-wide requirement?
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by boosma47 View Post
                    Term limits, anyone?!


                    No, thank you. We HAVE term limits, it's called "voting the bastards out." Why should a GOOD (yes, in politicians being "good" is relative, but still...) representative have to step down if his constituents still want him on the job.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                      Isn't this an EU-wide requirement?
                      It is.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                        French Fries are from Belgium, but it's probably a good idea to stop eating them anyway.

                        Isn't this an EU-wide requirement?

                        Hey - leave the Belgians out of it!!

                        They make really good chocolate!


                        Seriously though - this seems to be pretty bi-partisan. There are plenty of Republicans very much opposed to it, and plenty of Dems for it. Whichever "side" dreamed it up doesn't really matter at this point. Everyone has dollar signs in their eyes.

                        I don't really care what Europe is doing. That's their business.

                        NAIS as it exists in the US is a clusterfu**.
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                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                          Hey - leave the Belgians out of it!!

                          They make really good chocolate!


                          Seriously though - this seems to be pretty bi-partisan. There are plenty of Republicans very much opposed to it, and plenty of Dems for it. Whichever "side" dreamed it up doesn't really matter at this point. Everyone has dollar signs in their eyes.

                          I don't really care what Europe is doing. That's their business.

                          NAIS as it exists in the US is a clusterfu**.
                          Yup. And as long as the corporate lobbyists are smooth-talking our politicians, we are going to have to keep up the letters and awareness.

                          I know for a fact that Dianne Feinstein has not gotten enough anti-NAIS letters. They can count the ones they've received on one hand. And on the other side, the California Farm Bureau, allegedly representing all of California's farmers and ranchers, is regularly telling her how important it is to implement.

                          Face it, if you were her, you'd be saying, "My constituents want NAIS."

                          We need to keep those letters coming.

                          In the meantime, I'm looking forward to a new Secretary of Agriculture and a new USDA head. Those people may not see the world as I do, but if nothing else, the transition will slow down any projects that might be trying to slide in under the radar.

                          Now, I must have some delicious chocolate.
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by boosma47 View Post

                            The renewal of NAIS is a product of the Democrat Congress, who makes the laws, NOT of the Bush administration!
                            Finally somebody that understands that even though Bush is in office, a lot of what people don't like is going through Congress and the House which are Democratic controlled! Kudos to you for paying attention in government class.

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                            • #34
                              Our Government marches on to the beat of its own drum! Unbelievable!
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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by mjrtango93 View Post
                                Finally somebody that understands that even though Bush is in office, a lot of what people don't like is going through Congress and the House which are Democratic controlled! Kudos to you for paying attention in government class.
                                Someone's *not* paying attention.
                                Congress did not implement NAIS.
                                This is the brainchild of private concerns--big agribusiness.
                                "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

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                                  #36
                                  It's taken me a long time to understand exactly what is at the root of this whole thing, but now I do. Thanks, all.
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                    Someone's *not* paying attention.
                                    Congress did not implement NAIS.
                                    This is the brainchild of private concerns--big agribusiness.
                                    Yeah, and the agribusiness lobby influences the members of Congress, n'est pas?

                                    Who is to say the members of Congress don't stand to profit hugely from enacting laws that benefit the lobbies? That is the problem with our govt - special interests run it. And, why then are we encouraged to let our opinions be known to various targeted members of Congress?

                                    Checks and balances - isn't that the strength of our govt? So the executive branch and the aggie dept want this - so what? The Congress will produce a law based on whose pockets are filled - and agribusiness is a wealthy lobby...... and will get its way.

                                    I don't give a rip who is responsible for introducing NAIS, it is still BIG Govt controlling our freedoms, by their greed, by whatever means, for whatever reason - to me, that is socialism
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                                    • #38
                                      But Boosma, if you have drunk the socialism kool aid, it isn't a problem. Beware the enemy within.....
                                      The thing about smart people, is they look like crazy people, to dumb people.

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                                      • #39
                                        bbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by boosma47 View Post
                                          Yeah, and the agribusiness lobby influences the members of Congress, n'est pas?

                                          Who is to say the members of Congress don't stand to profit hugely from enacting laws that benefit the lobbies? That is the problem with our govt - special interests run it. And, why then are we encouraged to let our opinions be known to various targeted members of Congress?

                                          Checks and balances - isn't that the strength of our govt? So the executive branch and the aggie dept want this - so what? The Congress will produce a law based on whose pockets are filled - and agribusiness is a wealthy lobby...... and will get its way.

                                          I don't give a rip who is responsible for introducing NAIS, it is still BIG Govt controlling our freedoms, by their greed, by whatever means, for whatever reason - to me, that is socialism
                                          The point, mon petit choufleur, is that, whether the members of Congress are in favor of it or opposed to it, *they* did *not* *enact* it.
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