• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Spinoff on the heels down thread: Anyone who just can't get their heels down?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    I can't put my left heel down, since I shattered that ankle 21 years ago. It has only 20-30% mobility even off a horse. Right one still flexes normally. However, I've never had a problem with any competent instructor. They can see my weight is in the heel even if the ankle doesn't flex.

    I don't like it (when I see it in pictures) but I live with it.


    • #22
      Add me. High arches, tight tendons, who knows why, but they've never sunk down the way they should. I cheated and scooted my heel up in the boot and then put the boot heel down back in the day. However I think that for me thinking of having a relaxed ankle works the best, rather than toes up or heels down, otherwise I jam the heel down and have no flexion or shock absorbency. Just like the other poster, I stuck on through the strength of youth, not a good seat, and since youth is long gone I need a new method.
      Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
      Incredible Invisible


      • #23
        My knee issues limit what I can do with my lower legs I have found. As a kiddo I could flex with the best. now my knees just don't bend like they used to and it changed my seat and lower leg, including getting heels down.

        My DH is worse: he had a shattered ankle, had lower back vertebra fused and his right leg was almost severed in an accident, reattached its a smidge shorter then the left and WILL NOT bend.

        We look funny in the saddle, but we love to go.
        Crayola posse ~ Lazer Lemon yellow
        Take time to give...it is too short a day to be selfish. - Ben Franklin


        • #24
          makes you think...

          "for me thinking of having a relaxed ankle works the best, rather than toes up or heels down, otherwise I jam the heel down and have no flexion or shock absorbency"
          I have to say that as a rider who started riding again after a 25 yr hiatus, it took a long time for the leg to flex and the heel to go down but now I too try to mentally think long and relaxed and balanced as opposed to heel down.. I recently was riding in Wyoming and there was a novice with us and despite having her heels ridiculously low and riding all day long in that position, I felt she was so stiff without any shock absorbancy, it hurt rather than help her position and balance.
          Pao Lin


          • #25
            I think that thinking "heel down" is wrong and messes up your position anyway- people shove their leg forward into chair position when told to force their heels down. Thinking kneel on the horse with long relaxed legs with toes up gets the correct muscles engaged and working.


            • #26
              Nope, I can't. I was born with bilateral clubbed feet, so my range of motion in both ankles is almost non-existent. I can't stand on my toes, wear heels, or put my heels down. I've had lots of bad experiences with trainers because of it, but I've also had some really helpful trainers that work around it.
              When I ride with a new trainer for the first time, I always tell them about it upfront, just so they're aware. Most of the time, they don't care; the worst ever was when a woman wouldn't teach me. She "refuses to teach a little crippled girl." It's not like I hobble around on crutches, I just can't get my heels down! It's been just a tiny hinderence when I ride, but I've gotten used to dealing with it, and I just make up for it my securing my seat even more with my legs.

              The best help I've ever got was actually fairly recently, my trainer told me to put my lower leg out in front of me just a hair, so I could still sink my weight into my lower leg/heel. Now, I've ALWAYS been taught that lower legs that far forward is a big no-no, but I've found it really helps.


              • #27
                Originally posted by StruckByLightning View Post
                At least I'm not alone in my little world of inflexibility. I was doing stretching exercises & seeing a massage therapist twice a week for almost a year and saw almost NO improvement in my ankles. Other places, yes; ankles no. Makes me crazy when I see pictures of myself.

                Interesting about the mag levels...I've had just about every piece of bloodwork known to man done over the last few years for them to try to figure out some chronic pain problems with no luck. I'm going to have to go dig out my tests and see what it says for mag. Should I be looking at levels after fasting or at 'normal'? I have plenty of both tests!
                Mine were done after fasting. Problem is, I have NO idea what the levels are supposed to be at, I just do what the doc says because it works! I think mine are going down now though, because I'm starting to get cramps in the calf muscles again... I've probably not been taking enough.
                Lowly Farm Hand with Delusions of Barn Biddieom.
                Witherun Farm


                • #28
                  I thought I was the only one! I'm so glade I'm not alone.
                  I have very tight tendons, calf muscles, and hamstrings. I also have high arches.
                  I have no idea why I'm so stiff. Until the age of 8 I was very flexible, but then I started growing insane amounts 3inch a year. One year I grew 5inchs. I've always thought that my tendons just couldn't keep up with my growing.

                  The best I've ever been able to get is 1/2 an inch below level. The only way I achieved this was 20min of two point every day, yoga for over an hour every day, and stretching on the stairs.
                  I don't have time to do that now and my heels are up.It's very discouraging for me because everyone I know doesn't even stretch and their heels go down.

                  Also trainers just do not understand that I just can't get my heels down. My last trainer wouldn't let me jump anything over 2'6 until my heels came down. I was jumping 3'3 before I started with her. Also this trainer would go on and on about how I needed to switch to dressage because my heels wouldn't go down.

                  Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                  I cheated and scooted my heel up in the boot and then put the boot heel down back in the day. .
                  I'd do that at shows all the time!!! My last trainer had a fit when she found out I did that. According to her I was cheating.


                  • #29
                    Add me to the club that cannot get my heels down (years & years of gymnasticts & ballet have given me incredible flexibility the other way though!). I've tried the "standing on the stairs", but all for naught! I can get my heels "just" past the straight line BUT my leg stays nice & still so my trainer is happy with that!
                    Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't Do It!


                    • #30
                      I felt so alone!

                      I have the highest arches I've ever seen on any human...so, it's like my heels were WAY down, and if my foot had been flat, my toes would have been up. But, because of the arch, the ball of my foot had curved back down, and the overall look was flat-footed.

                      To make it worse: the foot would be a normal length if flat, but all the length is used up in the arch, so foot measures tiny. Can't get that arch around the corner of the ankle in boots, and boots the size of my foot are too small in the calf and short, so...get BIGGER boots, maybe 2 1/2 sizes bigger! And my foot looks a normal size! Except in the stirrup - there's no foot (barely any toes) in the part of the boot that should contact the stirrup!

                      I finally gave up. Even custom boots wouldn't have made my heels look down.


                      • #31
                        I just realized, I always sit in a chair with just my toes touching the ground. I'm probably tight through the calves and hamstrings as a result. I'm trying to correct myself and sit with my feet flat on the floor. However it's not as comfortable to sit with my feet flat on the ground. Anyone else sit this way?