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  • #21
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Unfortunately if the vehicle was an Expedition it has a history of flipping over due to the short wheel base. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Talloaks:

    Can you point me to the source of your stats?

    Thanks.

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      #22
      my OP was never meant to place ANY blame on the driver. (I actually did NOT want to mention the driver's name or personal specifics for this very reason). The radio did report that the driver was not speeding or doing anything out of the ordinary.

      I am not SURE of this (i will find out) but I heard the vehicle was a Ford Explorer. Many people use this vehicle to tow, or other brands' equivilent. I believe ford has issued statement's about the vehicle's towing capacity, or lack thereof. My intent is to find out the make/model of the vehicle, type of trailer, type of hitch...etc. Furthermore, I plan (once I get more details that I am sure of) to write to the MA's departments of transportation as well as the governor (ye old Mitt...) concerning the matter of the conditions of MA's roads (which can be treacherous in places!). There is a huge large horse population in MA with a big showing demand. Just hearing about this accident makes me nervous to think about pulling my trailer. precisely for the reasons that doublete mentioned, the driver was not being reckless and the accident was not preventable.

      If I get more info, I will post it. As much as it was a loss of a valuable show horse, the pony lost was the daughter's favorite, and old hat at shows. The type of pony you could NEVER put a price on. My thoughts are out to the driver and family.

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      • #23
        Sending out support to the girls involved in the accident, which was just that, an accident. They must be absolutely grief stricken, and I hope that in time they will come to terms with this and find peace.

        I've said this elsewhere, and I'll say it again here: the road conditions, general attitude of drivers, and traffic congestion in MA are all appalling. The thought of hauling through my home town in the metrowest makes me shudder.

        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I plan (once I get more details that I am sure of) to write to the MA's departments of transportation as well as the governor (ye old Mitt...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Mr. Romney's wife rides, too (she was the focus of an article in the Globe a while back). Maybe that angle would have some teeth.

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        • #24
          I'm so sorry to hear this news. My heart goes out to Jill.

          As for the flipping issue, I checked on my jeep cherokee (it's NOT a grand cherokee) out of curiosity once. I was surprized to find that my F150 truck has the same roll over rating as my cherokee. So those of you who have trucks, before you start thinking that having a truck makes something like this less likely, check out the roll over rating on your truck.

          I'm not saying trucks all have the same roll over rating. But if you have an F150, it doesn't have any better of a rating than a Jeep cherokee SUV. I was surprized to learn that.

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          • #25
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shiaway:
            As for the flipping issue, I checked on my jeep cherokee (it's NOT a grand cherokee) out of curiosity once. I was surprized to find that my F150 truck has the same roll over rating as my cherokee. So those of you who have trucks, before you start thinking that having a truck makes something like this less likely, check out the roll over rating on your truck.

            I'm not saying trucks all have the same roll over rating. But if you have an F150, it doesn't have any better of a rating than a Jeep cherokee SUV. I was surprized to learn that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Actually it's not just the roll over ratings but wheelbase which makes a huge difference between a jeep and a 150. The truck is much more stable for towing because of the longer wheel base. Frankly I'm surprised that jeeps rating is the same as a 150 because we used to have one, and I always felt top heavy when I drove it and it felt much less stable than my pickup. I really did not like that Cherokee at all. JMO. I'm glad you like yours.

            My condolences to the folks who lost their horses also. What a terrible loss for them.

            A good friend rolled a two horse tag a long some years ago in a similar accident but she was lucky that her horses escaped with minor injures. She replaced her totalled rig with a gooseneck and refuses to tow with anything else now. Having pulled both types of rigs, I can say that the goosenecks are a lot more stable and am not going back either.

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            • #26
              How do you find your roll over rating?
              Amwrider: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their genitalia and may their arms be too short to scratch.

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              • #27
                Finding rollover ratings: A quick internet search revealed these 2 articles -

                http://www.cochranfirm.com/truckacci...lovereasy.html

                http://www.rolloverlawyer.com/why_they_roll/Default.htm

                The second article is ESPECIALLY interesting & has multiple associated articles you can access.

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                • #28
                  Here you can read the specs for the Expedition:

                  http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/exp...eatures/specs/

                  It has only a 119 inche wheelbase, making it a very minimal vehicle for towing 2 horses.

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                  • #29
                    Here are the specs for the Excursion:

                    http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/exc...eatures/specs/

                    With a 137 inch wheelbase, it has a longer wheelbase than a full-sized, regular cab pick-up.

                    Wheelbase length is one factor (perhaps the biggest factor) in rollover resistance.

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                    • #30
                      Thanks Evalee Hunter for posting the information. This is just something I have known forever but wouldn't have known where to find the info. Gosh almost 30 years ago I wanted a Jeep Cherokee or a Blazer and hubby said NO, they can't do the job!!
                      http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                      • #31
                        How awful. My condolences to all concerned. At least the horse and pony didn't suffer.
                        \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                        • #32
                          Right before I bought my truck and trailer a good friend of mine flipped her Expedition with a bumper pull. She was on a road with a construction wall, swerved to keep from hitting a pothole, hit a rock on the other side, her tire went up, caught on the wall and flipper her trailer and thereby her truck.

                          She was very lucky that she was unharmed and her trailer was empty. I promptly switched my Explorer/Bumper pull plan to a F-250 and gooseneck plan....

                          So sorry....

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                          • #33
                            What a horrible tragedy... my condolences to all...

                            The roads in Massachusetts are terrible. With laws passed in recent years declaring that the state is not liable for damage to your car because of potholes/sinkholes/poorly repaired roads, the roads have become nightmares to drive on - they're just not being repaired as needed. It's easy to imagine the damage and injury that could result from breaking axles or wheels or slicing tires on some of the surfaces I've seen.

                            The last I heard when researching, the state IS liable for bodily injury caused by potholes and the like, and you can try to pursue the cities for negligence for not maintaining their stretch of road. Obviously not an attorney...

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                            • #34
                              Everything aside, my heart and prayers go out to Jill. A nightmare beyond my comprehension. Tragic.

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                              \"If you are going through hell, keep going.\" ~Churchill~

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                              • #35
                                So sorry to hear about this. What a tragedy for all involved. At least the people were not seriously hurt.

                                This news link was on another BB.

                                http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BOS3925/

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                                • #36
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This news link was on another BB.

                                  http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BOS3925/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                  According to this link it was an Expedition.

                                  I believe an Excursion is the Ford version of a Chevy Suburban? (IE, the same as their trucks, just completely closed in) and an Expedition is btw. an Explorer & an Excursion.

                                  Scary any way. I saw some people at my event this wknd haul with: an older 2-door Explorer and another hauled their steel Bison with a small Lexus SUV.

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                                  • #37
                                    It's a terrible tragedy and my condolences to all involved, but folks, I've got news for ya! It ain't just Massachusetts roads. Many, many roads in many, many states - at least on the East Coast - are getting worse and worse and worse, and more dangerous all the time.
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                                    • #38
                                      While wheelbase is an important factor, it alone does not make towing a trailer unsafe.

                                      The length of the trailer vs. the wheelbase of the vehicle is a better comparison of whether or not your choice of tow vehicle is a good one.

                                      The longer the trailer, the more leverage it can apply to the tow vehicle and create sway, side to side movement. The amount of sway that can be applied can also be mitigated by the distance between the rear axle of the vehicle and the ball, and the ball to the rear axle of the trailer.

                                      So, in the RV world, where sail area is more of a problem then weight, the guideline is that a vehicle with a wheelbase of 110 inches can tow a 20 foot trailer. Each additional 4 inches will get you 1 more foot of trailer.

                                      Another guide that relates to the ball to axle distance is that the trailer's rear axle should be no more than twice the wheelbase of the vehicle.

                                      This is just wheelbase, we can get into how to determine if your vehicle can safely tow the weight of the trailer.

                                      The bottom line in tow vehicle is to do the math. It is easy to say that a 2500/250 or 3500/350 is the only safe vehicle to buy for towing, but that's not true. It's easy to say only because that type of vehicle surpasses the minimums of most weekend horse enthusiasts as determined by the math.

                                      But, probably most of us weekend horse enthusiasts need our vehicle for more then towing our ponies, so we get something in between.

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                                      • #39
                                        If anything good can come of this, maybe one of those things is that we're all considering how very dangerous it is to trailer - and to take every absolute precaution when doing so.

                                        Though it seems not much could have prevented this tragic accident, perhaps just hearing about it will help prevent others in the future - whether it's forcing people to consider the proper hauling vehicle, speed or even the route of travel. I would surely hope to see some quick repairs on Rt. 128.

                                        Does anyone know how the owners of the horses are doing? What a living nightmare.
                                        *Faune D'Helby*

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                                        • #40
                                          Hey everyone, just wanted to update this. The owners of both the horse and the pony are doing ok, although obviously very upset. They both have other horses that were not involved in the accident, so they have been pretty busy with them. I used to show the horse that was killed and just can't believe that he's gone. I had been away for the weekend and only found out about it today. I'll make sure to keep everyone updated on how the owners are doing.

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