• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

More troubles in Canada horse slaughter plant land

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • More troubles in Canada horse slaughter plant land

    http://www.thestar.com/news/investig...od_system.html

  • #2
    The response to this article will be: Oh EVERYONE knows the Star is owned by HSUS, so it's clearly just to further their agenda......

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Holly's rescue from a feedlot in Canada, looks like it will be in the Saturday edition.

      http://www.thestar.com/news/2013/05/...ing_holly.html

      Comment


      • #4
        Holly was big drama around these parts, glad she made it back to her owner.

        Here's what the usual suspects will say, for those who have certain posters blocked:
        One person will say " blah blah blah HSUS blah blah one final use blah blah.

        One will say " I can't see the article, I am on dial up, so I have a call in to the owner of the Toronto Star, they are on my FB so I am good friends with them. I will set them straight and also remind them that their paper is nothing but garbage"
        Another poster will say " the silly sisterhood is on the warpath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

        Thankfully there are many people down at Olex and other auctions in this area that can prove that the passports are being faked. This problem will not be swept under the rug.
        "Anti-intellect and marketing, pretty, pretty, who needs talent
        Crying eyes, we're so outnumbered, fight for the right to remain silent" Buck 65

        Comment


        • #5


          Is anybody really surprised?

          Comment


          • #6
            That's the thing... I don't see the slaughter industry or their supporters trying to clean up the business. It's all excuses, and whining about "RARA"s and the HSUS.

            I'm not morally opposed to slaughter. I have no love for the HSUS, and they wouldn't get one penny from me. I just can't abide slaughter as it is done now.
            You have to have experiences to gain experience.

            1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

            Comment


            • #7
              The argument that if/when the EU cracks down on the problematic EID and requires US horses have a passport tracking lifetime drugs ingested, there will be ample market for that yummy drug laden meat is interesting considering these numbers:

              Horsemeat is a lucrative business. It is Canada’s No. 1 red meat export to Europe; Canada supplies the continent with about 24 per cent of its total.
              The top five purchasers of Canadian-processed horsemeat in 2012 were: Switzerland ($22 million); Japan ($19.8 million); France ($19.7 million); Belgium ($17.6 million) and Kazakhstan ($6.8 million).


              And of course the argument is often 'these drugs won't hurt you, there's no proof it will... so let's just pretend the horses have never had them!'
              Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

              http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

              Comment


              • #8
                The Toronto Star..ah yes...the same OLD article that was just updated..and pushed again as their ongoing investigation..

                Nothing else to say as Angela has stated there will be no more slaughter after July 13th? I think was the date she posted.

                We all know how accurate she was on her prediction for the end of the world (slaughter world) over the Mexican plant shut down for a couple of days so lets see if she is going to improve her stats
                The Elephant in the room

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by up-at-5 View Post
                  Holly was big drama around these parts, glad she made it back to her owner.

                  Here's what the usual suspects will say, for those who have certain posters blocked:
                  One person will say " blah blah blah HSUS blah blah one final use blah blah.

                  One will say " I can't see the article, I am on dial up, so I have a call in to the owner of the Toronto Star, they are on my FB so I am good friends with them. I will set them straight and also remind them that their paper is nothing but garbage"
                  Another poster will say " the silly sisterhood is on the warpath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

                  Thankfully there are many people down at Olex and other auctions in this area that can prove that the passports are being faked. This problem will not be swept under the rug.
                  I look forward to your reports of rescue for the horses. Of course you already claim to have ten non descript mongrel forever horses (do you dust them regularly?) so a few more will help keep the dandy lions and grass edges neat and tidy on your lawn.

                  Yahoo..I will be off dial up by this time next week.


                  We're pleased to let you know that your Sierra Wireless Rocket Stick AC330 Red, ROGERSSIMLTE ROGERS STANDARD LTE 2FF SIMCARD RAW was shipped on 21/05/13. Please allow up to 5 business days for our delivery to reach you.

                  The homeland security have lifted the block so those of us "rural folk" within five miles of the border can access high speed....

                  Haven't checked how many "best friends" I have on facebook. After I removed everyone who owns or pimps for a rescue..my numbers dropped to 4945 as for rescue it is a growing industry..for hoarders and those who want to make some big dollars..off the sale of assets seized....most of the others are just in trouble financially and having to get rid of the horses themselves...In the front door and fosh...out the back to a secret sale?
                  The Elephant in the room

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Word for the day. Bloviate.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                      The Toronto Star..ah yes...the same OLD article that was just updated..and pushed again as their ongoing investigation..

                      Nothing else to say as Angela has stated there will be no more slaughter after July 13th? I think was the date she posted.

                      We all know how accurate she was on her prediction for the end of the world (slaughter world) over the Mexican plant shut down for a couple of days so lets see if she is going to improve her stats
                      It's not July 13th, but July of 2013. There you go with missing details again.
                      Anyway... it's not me predicting it, it's the EU requiring it since 2000:

                      Since 2000, the EU’s regulations state that horse meat cannot contain residues of veterinary medicinalproducts exceeding previously set limits or residue from substances banned for use in food producinganimals in the EU. These restrictions include phenylbutazone. If substances prohibited for use in food-producing animals are administered to equids, those animals must be excluded from the food chain.40Finally, imported horsemeat can only be authorized if equines are included in European Commission-approved residue control plans in third country slaughterhouses.41 ...

                      However, the2011 FVO audit noted “for those horses imported from the United States of America for direct slaughter,the equine identification documents received were not reliable….” The audit further noted that 85% of thehorses slaughtered in this Canadian processing plant originated from the U.S. and all of these horses wereimported for direct slaughter.45 Considering cases such as the one above, as long as there is noidentification system in place, U.S. horses will not meet the European Commission’s new food safetyregulations, which will become effective in July 2013

                      The European Commission mandated a transitional period of three years in which third countries have toprovide guarantees regarding medical and drug history for horses during their last six months beforeslaughter. After the three-year transition period—which ends in 2013— guarantees must be provided forthe lifetime of the horses.46 This policy would complement the EU’s “horse passport” legislation, whichrequires records to be kept of certain medicinal products.47 This required lifetime guarantee that a horsebe cleared of all EU prohibited substances for use in food-producing animals could eliminate virtually allU.S. horses from the food chain. The substances banned for use in food-producing animals routinelyadministered by U.S. horse owners render most American horses ineligible for foreign slaughter.48



                      References:

                      41 Council Directive 96/23/EC On measures to monitor certain substances and residues thereof in live animals and animal products and repealing Directives 85/358/EEC and 86/469/EEC and Decisions 89/187/EEC and 91/664/EEC. European Parliament. April 1996.http://www.ec.europa.eu/food/food/ch...ve_96_23ec.pdf. Accessed April 12,2012.

                      43 European Commission. 2010. Final Report of a Mission Carried Out in Mexico From 22 November to 03 December 2010 In Order to Evaluate the Operation of Controls Over the Production of Fresh HorseMeat and Meat Products Intended for Export to the European Union as Well as Certification Procedures.December 2010. ec.europa.eu/food/fvo/rep_details_en.cfm?rep_id=2639. Accessed April 12, 2012.

                      44 Canadian Food Inspection Agency. 2011. Ante and Post-mortem Procedures, Dispositions, Monitoring, and Controls-Red Meat Species, Ostriches, Rheas, and Emus. Chapter 17, E.2. June 2011.http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/...nexee.shtml#e2. Accessed April 12, 2012.

                      45 European Commission, 2011. Health and Consumers Directorate-General. Final Report of an Audit Carried Out in Canada from 13 to 23 September 2011 in Order to Evaluate the Monitoring of Residuesand Contaminants in Live Animals and Animal Products, Including Controls on Veterinary MedicinalProducts. http://www.ec.europa.eu/food/fvo/ind...fm?reptoshow=2. Accessed April 12, 2012.

                      46 Whitcomb R. 2010. EU standards could signal new challenges for veterinary records, horse transport, and slaughter. DVM Newsmagazine, August 1.veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/Veterinary+Equine/EU-standards-could-signal-new-challenges-for-veter/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/682251. Accessed April 10, 2012.

                      47 European Commission. 2008. Commission adopts single passport and matching chip for horses and other equidae [Press release].europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/08/905&format=HTML&aged=0&language=ENAccessed April 12, 2012.

                      48 European Commission Health & Consumers Directorate-General. 2009. Imports of equine meat from third countries. www.defendhorsescanada.org/residues.pdf. Accessed April 12, 2012


                      from:
                      http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=2&ct=clnk
                      Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                      http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Here's another

                        The European Union released its 2013 regulations for meat imported into the 27 countries.

                        Under the new regulations, all horses and burros destined for slaughter and export to Europe must have a passport that shows they are free from substances such as phenalbutazone (bute), and clenbuterol...

                        The EU is putting teeth into strict enforcement of regulations that began in 2010 when the European nations warned horses coming to those countries from abroad must be in full compliance within three years. That time span has nearly lapsed.

                        The strict new passport regulations are contained in a European Commission document titled Imports of Animals and Food of Animal Origans From Non-EU Countries.


                        http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=2&ct=clnk

                        And there's a clickable link that takes you to the European Commission document titled Imports of Animals and Food of Animal Origans From Non-EU Countries.
                        Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                        http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                          I
                          Haven't checked how many "best friends" I have on facebook. After I removed everyone who owns or pimps for a rescue..my numbers dropped to 4945
                          Snort! I guess that is why Christy Sheidy is still one of your "best friends" on Facebook. She sure as sh*t isn't a rescue.
                          Sheilah

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Imports of animals
                            and food of animal
                            origin from
                            non-EU countries:
                            Provisions of guarantees
                            equivalent to EU requirements
                            on residues of veterinary medicines,
                            pesticides and contaminants

                            5.1 Horses: import into the EU and
                            residue requirements
                            EU requirements:
                            5.1.2 Passport for equidae and medicines
                            records

                            All EU equidae must be accompanied by a passport
                            during their movements (Regulation 504/2008 [clickable link]).
                            The passport has a section where treatments with
                            certain veterinary medicines must be recorded
                            (see 5.1.2). All medicinal treatments must also be
                            recorded in a medicines record kept on the farm
                            (required by Article 10, Directive 96/23 and Annex I,
                            Part A, III, point 8(b) to Regulation 852/2004 [clickable link]).

                            5.1.3 Veterinary medicines which can and
                            cannot be used

                            [contains clickable links to the EU documents]

                            Substances with an established MRL in line with
                            Regulation 470/2009 [clickable link] and listed in Table 1 of the
                            Annex to Regulation 37/2010 [clickable link] can be used for
                            treatment of horses. The meat from such animals
                            may enter the food chain if the indicated medicine
                            withdrawal periods are met before slaughter.

                            Substances without an EU MRL for equidae
                            but essential for their treatment

                            Certain substances not in Table 1 of the
                            Annex to Regulation 37/2010 [clickable link] are considered
                            essential when treating equidae (Regulation
                            1950/2006). [clickable link]

                            Treated animals can enter the food chain if the
                            treatment is documented in the equine passport
                            and a default withdrawal period of 6 months is
                            observed before slaughter

                            Substances without an EU MRL for
                            equidae wich are not nor deemed essential
                            medicines

                            Some medicines commonly used for horses
                            world-wide e.g. phenylbutazone, are not listed
                            in Reg. 1950/2006 [clickable link] or in Table 1 of the Annex to
                            Regulation 37/2010 [clickable link]. Any horse in the EU treated
                            with phenylbutazone must be excluded from the
                            food chain and signed out of the food chain in the
                            passport.

                            Substances for which no MRL can be set for
                            equidae in the EU

                            Horses for food production may not be treated
                            with substances for which it is impossible to
                            establish an MRL i.e. chloramphenicol,
                            nitrofurans and nitroimidazoles (Table 2 of
                            Annex to Regulation 37/2010 [clickable link]).

                            Horses must be signed out of the food chain if they
                            have been treated with any of them. The passport
                            accompanying the animal to the slaughterhouse
                            must record this.

                            Horses for food production in the EU can neither
                            be treated with hormonal steroids for growth
                            promotion, nor with certain anabolic or
                            gestagenic steroids for therapeutic and/or
                            zootechnical purposes (Directive 96/22 [clickable link]). Such
                            treatments are illegal and the animals cannot
                            enter the food chain.

                            If equidae in non-EU countries have been treated
                            with either:
                            a. substances in Table 2 of the Annex to
                            Regulation 37/2010 [clickable link] e.g. chloramphenicol,
                            nitrofurans or nitroimidazoles etc. or
                            b. hormonal steroids for growth promotion or
                            c. certain anabolic or gestagenic steroids for
                            therapeutic and/or zootechnical purposes as
                            in Directive 96/22;
                            they cannot be imported for direct slaughter in the
                            EU and their meat is not eligible for export to the
                            EU.


                            Find it here:
                            http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/chemic...nts_non_eu.pdf
                            Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                            http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                              Snort! I guess that is why Christy Sheidy is still one of your "best friends" on Facebook. She sure as sh*t isn't a rescue.
                              Sheilah
                              Who actually keeps track of how many friends they have on FB lol

                              Word here in the Ottawa area(where Holly was found) is that Leo's Livestock is in big trouble over the sale of Holly. There's a sh*t blizzard on the horizon.
                              "Anti-intellect and marketing, pretty, pretty, who needs talent
                              Crying eyes, we're so outnumbered, fight for the right to remain silent" Buck 65

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Yes. As someone else mentioned you'd think they would want all this as pristine as possible. There will be a lot of protestors about it and not all of them will be RARA's . All animal slaughter must be the absolute best it can be.

                                Originally posted by quietann View Post
                                That's the thing... I don't see the slaughter industry or their supporters trying to clean up the business. It's all excuses, and whining about "RARA"s and the HSUS.

                                I'm not morally opposed to slaughter. I have no love for the HSUS, and they wouldn't get one penny from me. I just can't abide slaughter as it is done now.
                                The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                                H. Cate

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by up-at-5 View Post
                                  Word here in the Ottawa area(where Holly was found) is that Leo's Livestock is in big trouble over the sale of Holly. There's a sh*t blizzard on the horizon.
                                  Great, I look forward to hearing about any developments!
                                  Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
                                  http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/Jen4USC/fave.jpg
                                  http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...SC/running.jpg

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                                    The Toronto Star..ah yes...the same OLD article that was just updated..and pushed again as their ongoing investigation..

                                    Nothing else to say as Angela has stated there will be no more slaughter after July 13th? I think was the date she posted.

                                    We all know how accurate she was on her prediction for the end of the world (slaughter world) over the Mexican plant shut down for a couple of days so lets see if she is going to improve her stats
                                    Don't blame Angela. She must have read the exact same article in COTH (The Magazine) that stated exactly that in, I believe, the last of their series of articles published middle of last year.

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
                                      The argument that if/when the EU cracks down on the problematic EID and requires US horses have a passport tracking lifetime drugs ingested, there will be ample market for that yummy drug laden meat is interesting considering these numbers:

                                      Horsemeat is a lucrative business. It is Canada’s No. 1 red meat export to Europe; Canada supplies the continent with about 24 per cent of its total.
                                      The top five purchasers of Canadian-processed horsemeat in 2012 were: Switzerland ($22 million); Japan ($19.8 million); France ($19.7 million); Belgium ($17.6 million) and Kazakhstan ($6.8 million).


                                      And of course the argument is often 'these drugs won't hurt you, there's no proof it will... so let's just pretend the horses have never had them!'
                                      Not a VERY lucrative business. Marginal is more like it, especially since the number of Europeans who want to eat this stuff is declining. I've read that population is aging rapidly, too--apparently the taste for it was acquired in the aftermath of WWII, and young people are grossed out.

                                      Compare the numbers to the value of almost any other commodity sold, and you'll see these numbers aren't really a very big deal.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                                        Not a VERY lucrative business. Marginal is more like it, especially since the number of Europeans who want to eat this stuff is declining. I've read that population is aging rapidly, too--apparently the taste for it was acquired in the aftermath of WWII, and young people are grossed out.

                                        Compare the numbers to the value of almost any other commodity sold, and you'll see these numbers aren't really a very big deal.
                                        All that being true, what was interesting to note was the sheer number going to EU countries, especially considering some insist that should the EU market go away, thanks to the lack of verifiable drug ingestion, that the Asian market will snap it all up.
                                        Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                        http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X