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  • A lot of that is crappy "training," too. I personally think the advent of everyone and their sister trying to do what they think is "dressage," or cranking a horse into a false frame and then ramming their seat into it and waterskiing on the reins, is where an awful lot of this is coming from, too.

    Back when we rode on light contact in a more hunter way of going, a lot of these injuries never even came up.

    A lot of it also is excessive cranking in circles as the arenas have gotten smaller and the turns therefore tighter. Also the "dressage" aforesaid, lack of land for proper turnout, many people afraid to hack outside the ring today if they even have that opportunity, and FAR more jumping efforts in the name of "practice" and "lessoning" than were seen in the past.

    Oops, board glitched! This is my response to 1583 above.
    I do hear you on that note too. But try riding a horse au naturel and you get shocked responses and immediate lectures by Deb Bennett as to why the horse needs to be "on the bit" all the time.

    Catching up!

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    • I'm with you on that one - I think the government will financially get rid of the "middle class". With declining incomes - loss of land to even keep a horse - affordable hay - not sold to asian countries..............

      Originally posted by sunridge1 View Post
      Honestly, given the twinning of our government with corporate interest and the super rich, I don't think the middle class will be able to afford horses. Maybe not in 5 years but 10-20.
      The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
      H. Cate

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      • Actually, I know a great many people who can't seem to find an affordable, user-friendly, adult-ammie pleasure type horse ANYWHERE. One that's safe alone or in company, in the ring or on the trails, doesn't need drugs or supplements, or a $4,500 custom saddle to be useful for ordinary, low-level, recreation.
        Yes I know, me too!

        So... Do you think these horses are in holding pens and going to slaughter?

        I...don't.

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        • I'm with you on that one - I think the government will financially get rid of the "middle class". With declining incomes - loss of land to even keep a horse - affordable hay - not sold to asian countries..............

          Originally Posted by sunridge1
          Honestly, given the twinning of our government with corporate interest and the super rich, I don't think the middle class will be able to afford horses. Maybe not in 5 years but 10-20.
          I also agree with both of these.

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          • What do I think will happen?

            First step:

            (June 10, 2013)— New Mexico Attorney General Gary King has declared that horse meat fits the legal definition of an adulterated food product and therefore cannot be manufactured, sold or delivered anywhere in New Mexico.
            Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

            http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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            • Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post
              Yes I know, me too!

              So... Do you think these horses are in holding pens and going to slaughter?

              I...don't.
              I have an idea about that...I don't think many people have the skill or the knowledge to handle a horse that may act up which IMO is all of them. They want a perfectly trained machine to which they are only a passenger.

              I can ride a rear like nobodies business because I have a lot of experience with rearing. Bucking? not so much. By the time I graduated high school I had been a groom for an ASB barn, took SS lessons, had dressage lessons, shown 4H and ridden Class A Saddlebred shows. I had been stepped on, bit, run over, kicked, reared, bucked, brushed off on trees, fences, charged, lost a harnessed pony, horrible loading experiences etc. I had pretty much been through the gamut by the time I was 18.

              If you only ride the school horses you'll never get any better than riding a school horse.

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              • I can ride a rear like nobodies business because I have a lot of experience with rearing. Bucking? not so much. By the time I graduated high school I had been a groom for an ASB barn, took SS lessons, had dressage lessons, shown 4H and ridden Class A Saddlebred shows. I had been stepped on, bit, run over, kicked, reared, bucked, brushed off on trees, fences, charged, lost a harnessed pony, horrible loading experiences etc. I had pretty much been through the gamut by the time I was 18.

                If you only ride the school horses you'll never get any better than riding a school horse.
                Yep. But...that's not our society now. Litigation has made that all but impossible.

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                • Lady E. I don't want to just look 5 years out. I want to look 10 or 20 years out. 5 is really too soon to really tell what's going to happen with any of it.

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                  • Actually, to the topic at hand, I think next month may be the writing on the wall.

                    BTW, I'm just not into apocalyptic thinking. People have predicted the end of horse ownership since Henry Ford. Hasn't happened, isn't happening, won't happen. And 99% of the owners out there take good, proper care of all their animals--pets too.

                    What we persist (for some reason) in talking about here are the 1 to 2% of horses who are WANTED by the KB's and get sold to them, and their disposition.

                    I do not see general population and welfare issues as affecting this equation much. The KB's have 100K orders to fill; what we might or might not have available to sell them seems not to be terribly relevant. What IS relevant is whether they'll still have those 100K orders for run-of-the-mill North American "culls" after July 2013.

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                    • You're not concerned about what will happen to those horses in the least?

                      Because they'll still exist.

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                      • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
                        What do I think will happen?

                        First step:

                        (June 10, 2013)— New Mexico Attorney General Gary King has declared that horse meat fits the legal definition of an adulterated food product and therefore cannot be manufactured, sold or delivered anywhere in New Mexico.
                        NICE!!
                        Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
                        http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/Jen4USC/fave.jpg
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                        • Original Poster

                          Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post
                          Yes I know, me too!

                          So... Do you think these horses are in holding pens and going to slaughter?

                          I...don't.
                          Many of them were...didn't you hear about the horse trader who bought up BLM mustangs and sent them to slaughter?

                          http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...ld-horses?lite

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                          • And 99% of the owners out there take good, proper care of all their animals--pets too.
                            This number I'll quibble with too. Just because they don't sell them to slaughter doesn't mean they take good and proper care of them.

                            You can't isolate those things. It all works as a system.

                            That's the kind of thinking that has caused all sorts of issues.

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                            • Sorry Laura - I meant that in reply to Lady Eboshi's statement that nice ammy friendly horses were hard to find.

                              I was understanding her to mean that those great, well trained amateur horses are currently going to slaughter and also hanging out in BLM holding pens (which currently have another 60k horses in them)

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                              • Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post
                                You're not concerned about what will happen to those horses in the least?

                                Because they'll still exist.
                                And they still have owners.
                                Who can shoot them, or butcher them themselves, or sell them, or give them away, or keep them.

                                What has been predicted for a very long time is that the long-term negative issues with slaughter the way it is done now and in the past will paint those who advocate for it, into a corner.

                                For example, they've shrugged and suggested that the drug issue is a no biggie, it won't hurt you issue. And now the consumer is wising up. That the industry never heeded the warning of the drug issue and found a solution that insured a clean product such that the consumer isn't having it.... is who's fault again?
                                Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
                                  http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/HUMANE%20...0SLAUGHTER.pdf
                                  This is one of the linked links from Sannois post
                                  I found the second paragraph interesting:

                                  Do not run or excite the animal prior to slaughter because this may cause poor bleeding and give the carcass a bloody appearance.

                                  Interesting considering some of the excited looking horses we've seen in videos from the plants.


                                  Be careful not to stick too deep into the chest cavity.
                                  Cut straight with the backbone. Pump the foreleg back and
                                  forth a few times to help bleeding.



                                  Pumping the legs to 'help bleeding'?

                                  It's interesting that this how-to does not say how long bleed out will/should take or how to know it's done bleeding out.
                                  Remember the source of the videos, it is not of standard operating procedures, but put out just to show horses running around and make it look like mayhem.

                                  That has been my point, so much in those animal rights extremist videos are out of context or fabricated/edited for their propaganda, not where you want to get real information.

                                  There are several reasons why those in the plants have to treat horses well, not just for humanitarian reasons, but because it makes sense "not to damage the merchandise" if nothing else, since animal rights extremists already start from the premise that "humane" is never a concern there.

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                                  • Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post
                                    Absolutely. Many apologies that I hadn't made that clear from the beginning.

                                    That is NOT the same thing as penalizing people for unethical behavior btw. In an odd twist of humans making zero sense at all, that does not have the same effect.
                                    But when the reward is profit, for cramming as many horses as possible into a trailer for slaughter, getting them there as quickly as possible without stopping because a horse is down in a trailer, and killing as many as possible in the shortest amount of time, it's hard to find a reward system that works as effectively as not doing it right. What competes with money/profit?
                                    That's one reason that the local abattoirs you saw in the UK/European countries, where you'd trailer the horse locally, and hand him over to the local knacker who would lead him around back and humanely shoot him, worked well for it's purpose. The profit was in getting as many horses as possible to far away locals, and then slaughtering as many as possible each day.

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                                    • You have to find money and profit in ethical behavior jetsmom.

                                      Angela, I think that's terrifically optimistic.

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                                      • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
                                        And they still have owners.
                                        Who can shoot them, or butcher them themselves, or sell them, or give them away, or keep them.

                                        What has been predicted for a very long time is that the long-term negative issues with slaughter the way it is done now and in the past will paint those who advocate for it, into a corner.

                                        For example, they've shrugged and suggested that the drug issue is a no biggie, it won't hurt you issue. And now the consumer is wising up. That the industry never heeded the warning of the drug issue and found a solution that insured a clean product such that the consumer isn't having it.... is who's fault again?
                                        The drug issue as is presented today, as fear-mongering, is very recent.
                                        That was a minimal concern before, part of the standard protocols already in place.
                                        The plants were testing for any residues as they do for any other meat for decades now, something those you listen to ignore.

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                                        • Who can shoot them, or butcher them themselves, or sell them, or give them away, or keep them.
                                          Give them to...?

                                          Sell them to....?

                                          If they are the type of owners who would sell them to slaughter, what are they likely to do?

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