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More troubles in Canada horse slaughter plant land

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    #21
    Here's Holly's story.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/investig...slaughter.html

    Yet another kill buyer using false pretenses to pick up a free or cheap horse.

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      #22
      A really interesting article...Why Canada’s EID Fails To Protect Consumers From Horsemeat.

      EIDs fail because the system surrounding it is broken. You cannot ensure the safety of meat for consumption of an animal not raised for consumption. You cannot demand clarity and compliance for long term medical histories from a system that demands short term ownership before slaughter.

      I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Horses are NOT raised as food animals in North America. Therefore they should never, ever be consumed. The drugs they are given, the supplements they are put on, the vaccinations they are given, the topical treatments applied to them, none are given with the assumption or consideration that the animal may be eaten. It doesn’t matter if they are Canadian or American horses. No horse meat coming out of North America is safe for consumption.
      http://randomslate.wordpress.com/201...rom-horsemeat/

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      • #23
        I have been in touch with Mary Ormsby and I commend her and her team for their efforts to double check what we have been telling her.

        I am bothered by the use of the word "passport" in this case though. The EID is NOT a passport, it is a piece of paper (and at Olex it is filled out by an Olex employee named Barbie (!) supposedly with info from owner/consigner. She filled out the Backstreet Bully EID by the way!). Here a passport is issued by OEF for show purposes and it gives info about the horse/owner/previous results in competitions, etc. It does not list any medication at all.
        It is not a passport as in GB or in Europe where a vet will list the medications administered, etc. and where owners can specify "Not for meat".

        I have also been asked by a friend to translate pages of emails between the s/h and CFIA where s/h employees were asking for clarification about feed/bedding/numbers of horses per pen, when horses had to be held at the s/h over a w/e... the ignorance was really scary actually. In some CFIA was also asking for more information regarding injured horses on unloading... Frankly, it made me sick and even less confident of the "humane" treatment of these animals. These were acquired under the Freedom of Information Act and it took months to get them.

        Also, I just came back last week for a month in France and, as usual, I always look for horse meat in stores/supermarkets, etc. To my surprise, this year, there was NO horse meat at all at one of the biggest supermarkets (Cora) or at Carrefour where there used to be some (not much, but still some.) The only place I did see horse meat was at a local market. One vendor and he did not look THAT busy to me. The fish vendor was WAY busier!! So, when I see France listed as one of the biggest importers, the question always is "Where does that meat go?" ... in hamburgers? back to the Netherlands where there was quite a good business going of mixing meats? It really is NOT going on French tables. Besides, the vendor at the market had clear signs of the origin of the meat "France".

        And please people, many of us have Bluey, Alagirl and Fairfax on Ignore... do not quote them! Thank you!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
          Don't blame Angela. She must have read the exact same article in COTH (The Magazine) that stated exactly that in, I believe, the last of their series of articles published middle of last year.
          HSUS must have bought COTH magazine.
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          \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

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          • #25
            Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
            And please people, many of us have Bluey, Alagirl and Fairfax on Ignore... do not quote them! Thank you!
            You forgot 7arabians.
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            \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

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            • #26
              Considering Japan refused to import our beef 2x because of mad cow - that would put a dent in the asian market.

              Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
              All that being true, what was interesting to note was the sheer number going to EU countries, especially considering some insist that should the EU market go away, thanks to the lack of verifiable drug ingestion, that the Asian market will snap it all up.
              The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
              H. Cate

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              • #27
                Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
                Considering Japan refused to import our beef 2x because of mad cow - that would put a dent in the asian market.
                Exactly.
                Many of their MRLs in the information I found on Japanese requirements are EU levels or better [ie less residue].
                So I imagine if the EU decides that US plants are not reliably reporting what meds the processed horses have/have not had, that Japan would be less than disinterested in importing as well.

                Also from looking at the import requirements they are very strict about how many strikes you get.

                If anyone has data they can link that refutes this, I would love to see it posted.
                Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
                  Yes. As someone else mentioned you'd think they would want all this as pristine as possible. There will be a lot of protestors about it and not all of them will be RARA's . All animal slaughter must be the absolute best it can be.
                  You see I agree with this as well, If the EU is going to require strict guidlines then I do not see how these companies will stay in business unless they clean up their act, start to finish.
                  Okay most of us eat beef, we know how it is slaughtered. Cattle look good coming off the trucks, Don't you wonder if the people in europe and other places that eat horse meat saw some of the conditions they would not eat it?
                  Just a thought.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                    You see I agree with this as well, If the EU is going to require strict guidlines then I do not see how these companies will stay in business unless they clean up their act, start to finish.
                    Okay most of us eat beef, we know how it is slaughtered. Cattle look good coming off the trucks, Don't you wonder if the people in europe and other places that eat horse meat saw some of the conditions they would not eat it?
                    Just a thought.
                    You are right...but the Ag Gag laws will prevent that from happening, although I'm guessing they are probably unconstitutional.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                      Don't you wonder if the people in europe and other places that eat horse meat saw some of the conditions they would not eat it?
                      Just a thought.
                      A couple of months ago a Swiss TV station was showing the conditions in the U.S. slaughter pipeline. Reading the comments that followed, made it very clear that those who watched were absolutely disgusted and disturbed.

                      Several years ago one of the European slaughter companies, who got their meat from the U.S., had several pictures of horses grazing in beautiful pastures. They claimed that their meat came from U.S. horses living in those conditions.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                        A couple of months ago a Swiss TV station was showing the conditions in the U.S. slaughter pipeline. Reading the comments that followed, made it very clear that those who watched were absolutely disgusted and disturbed.

                        Several years ago one of the European slaughter companies, who got their meat from the U.S., had several pictures of horses grazing in beautiful pastures. They claimed that their meat came from U.S. horses living in those conditions.
                        LOL Yeah right, Butterflies and dasies and all.
                        They need to look at the feed lots.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                          A couple of months ago a Swiss TV station was showing the conditions in the U.S. slaughter pipeline. Reading the comments that followed, made it very clear that those who watched were absolutely disgusted and disturbed.

                          Several years ago one of the European slaughter companies, who got their meat from the U.S., had several pictures of horses grazing in beautiful pastures. They claimed that their meat came from U.S. horses living in those conditions.
                          Yes that video is available somewhere, Youtube maybe. I'll see if I can find it.


                          I think this is it, open link, scroll to bottom... and yes, the source is one some will argue is biased. I don't think, though, that one can argue that the content is horrible, and not because it was edited to be so either:

                          http://www.animalsangels.org/news/54...slaughter.html
                          Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                          http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                          • #33
                            Plenty of people in the EU have been buying horsemeat marketed (I kid you not!) as "Wild Mustang Meat." They were appalled to find out that it was actually our racetrack and breeding farm culls etc. and not the pristine, grass-fed, naturally lean organic stuff they thought.

                            I think education of the consumer is the most direct route to cutting off demand!

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                              You forgot 7arabians.
                              yeah, on ignore for me too

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                Several years ago one of the European slaughter companies, who got their meat from the U.S., had several pictures of horses grazing in beautiful pastures. They claimed that their meat came from U.S. horses living in those conditions.
                                Bouvry had beautiful pictures of mares and foals living in idyllic conditions and fed only natural feed, etc. Sure, I wish someone had posted pictures of the feedlots just south of the Alberta border... Idyllic condition.. my A...

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
                                  Yes that video is available somewhere, Youtube maybe. I'll see if I can find it.


                                  I think this is it, open link, scroll to bottom... and yes, the source is one some will argue is biased. I don't think, though, that one can argue that the content is horrible, and not because it was edited to be so either:

                                  http://www.animalsangels.org/news/54...slaughter.html
                                  That was wicked I saw this one last night~

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
                                    Bouvry had beautiful pictures of mares and foals living in idyllic conditions and fed only natural feed, etc. Sure, I wish someone had posted pictures of the feedlots just south of the Alberta border... Idyllic condition.. my A...
                                    Aunt fanny??? ROFL
                                    The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                                    H. Cate

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by up-at-5 View Post
                                      Holly was big drama around these parts, glad she made it back to her owner.

                                      Here's what the usual suspects will say, for those who have certain posters blocked:
                                      One person will say " blah blah blah HSUS blah blah one final use blah blah.

                                      One will say " I can't see the article, I am on dial up, so I have a call in to the owner of the Toronto Star, they are on my FB so I am good friends with them. I will set them straight and also remind them that their paper is nothing but garbage"
                                      Another poster will say " the silly sisterhood is on the warpath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

                                      Thankfully there are many people down at Olex and other auctions in this area that can prove that the passports are being faked. This problem will not be swept under the rug.
                                      Wow, you must be a physic ! That is funny.... and yet sad.

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                                      • #39
                                        What is Ag Gag? I keep reading that term, but I'm lost.

                                        NJR
                                        Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Nojacketrequired View Post
                                          What is Ag Gag? I keep reading that term, but I'm lost.

                                          NJR
                                          Someone had the bright idea (not!) to try to stop people with agendas from snooping around to get stories in ways that break laws, holding to information on regulations and laws broken, like abuse videos and hold onto them until it was convenient for this or that publicity drive, like to try to advance or defeat bills coming up for votes.

                                          That those groups do so, animal rights extremists some of those, was already questionable.
                                          If you have videos of abuse, according to those laws, you are supposed to bring them to the authorities asap, to stop the abuse, not sit on those for months until you can use those in your propaganda, while that abuse supposedly goes on.

                                          Now, we already have all kinds of laws against trespassing and other, so those proposed AND misnamed "ag gag" laws had a component to try to make those more effective.
                                          The name "ag gag" was coined to make them easy to defeat, of course, in today's anti-agriculture media world (does anyone ever think where so much in life they enjoy comes from, like their food and fiber and so much other?).

                                          Best I know, 9 states have passed such laws, 11 have defeated them.
                                          I think they have been used as one more stepping stone for anyone with an agenda to grandstand around against them, giving them even more free publicity and so more $$$ in their already absurdly overflowing coffers.

                                          That is a small part of what all has been happening with those tempest in a teapot laws.
                                          When your opponent has the floor, here the media, I would think starting some defensive action that gives them the floor for longer than necessary is always a bad idea.

                                          I think that would have been addressed better by just pointing at what those groups do, like withholding abuse videos for their convenience and leave it at that.
                                          Shaming them out of such terrible, unethical ways to promote their agenda should have been plenty, no laws needed to be passed for that.

                                          Most in agriculture were split about trying to pass laws to defend themselves from those that, with the excuse of catching those that don't do right, are framing many others for their purposes, or when they find anything wrong, blow it out of proportion to brand whole industries, as animal rights extremists did trying to shut the whole dairy industry in the Midwest two years ago.

                                          Remember, those animal rights extremists have said this is the year they would release one abuse video a month and send all their forces into the lobbying efforts to, what for them, is "saving the world, here animals, from humans".

                                          The sad part of this, there are some that have animals and believe it is ok to do so that follow animal rights groups bandwagons, not understanding where that Pied Piper is leading them, several posting right here, as it is obvious.
                                          Strange and very illogical thinking that.

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