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RIDICULOUS WORKING CONDITIONS (LONG - Very Long)) & what would you expect to get paid

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  • #21
    I don't know of any 'clique', but I am wondering just what advice you thought we could give your friend.

    Bottom line is she's just the hired help. If she doesn't like what's going on and thinks she's working far too hard for far too little, she needs to quit. Other than that, there isn't anything else we can say.

    Some silly promise she made years ago to a horse that isn't even hers shouldn't be enough to keep her there. If she continues, then it's all on her.

    Sorry if you don't like that advice.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by MunchingonHay View Post
      To the poster that used the word canoeing ....awe-some!!
      Awww shucks...that was me. Glad you appreciated it!

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      • #23
        Your friend should quit. If she is young, she should also speak to her folks about the issues. If the dog breeding was done in a professional manner, then it's her own issue. If there were inappropriate comments, especially if they were directed towards her, then she needs to speak to her parents immediately. It sounds to me like she just hasn't been around farms enough to understand that this sort of thing happens. Our four year old walks right by our bull breeding his cows without batting an eyelash. *shrug*

        Look up minimum wage and that is your answer. If she's getting less, and is not underage, then she isn't being paid enough. Either way, if she's that miserable, tell her to quit. There are plenty of better jobs for eager kids that want to be with horses.
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        • #24
          I'd pay $8-10 a day, as it's only two horses and could be done in an hour easily.

          As far as your friend, she has three options:
          1) Offer to buy the horses
          2) Put up with it
          3) Quit.

          There is no other option I can think of. If I don't like the way the owner of my company runs their business, I have choices 2 or 3 available to me. It's their business, they run it how they see fit.

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          • #25
            Must be the weird wet spring weather or something. This is the second "I asked for advice and got it but you were mean" thread in just a few days. Not from newbies either. Kind of odd.

            Oh, and thanks to those who quoted the OP before its author thought she made it go away.
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            • #26
              I am a little worried about what Microbovine brought up though. There are people who, shall we say, revel? in the antics of their male animals and they think nothing of making comments during breedings. Drawing your attention to the activity etc, and as an employee you pretty much can't say "no" if you are asked to deal in any way with the operation.

              However. Life isn't fair and maybe OP should be telling her friend to move on. Any job where you call your BFF and cry for an hour is a job you don't need.
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              • #27
                Phew! Just....Phew!

                Time to up somebody's dose.
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                • #28
                  $10 an hour for a regular work day.
                  $20 an hour if she has to clean up dog semen.

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                  • #29
                    In 3-4 hours per day I can (and do)

                    Feed 16 horses. Change, take off blankets if necessary. Clean 11 deeply bedded stalls including dumping, wiping 2 buckets in each stall. Brng in the night crew and then out the day crew. Pick and attend to 13 paddocks and run-Ins. Scrub and refill outside waters 2x/week or more frequently as needed. Take care of any misc repairs that need to be done and clean the aisles in two barns. Usually by hour 4 I am ready to swing my leg over my horse and/or anything else that I may ride that day.

                    If someone thinks they can or should get $30 a day to spend 3 hours taking care of 2 horses, well ... Send me the name of that boss. As for the dog situation ... that is simple. It's not your problem. "Sorry cleaning up dog jizz is not in my job description" would be my answer to this, though I am 90% certain what you are seeing all over is just urine having dated someone who owned a dog stud who had bitches delivered to breed. They do.t just jack off all over the place.

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                    • #30
                      the individual that they purchased the dog comes flying in the driveway and says they are there to breed the male dog to another female dog. . . . My friend returns the next day to work her hours and there is what I imagine is dog semen all over the barn, sticky spots EVERYWHERE, i am talking the aisle, the hay room, the wash stall, everywhere. Now today my friend arrives to begin her shift and they are there AGAIN, not breeding but "collecting".
                      Your friend is putting you on. Dogs don't produce that much sperm, for one thing, and for another - one doesn't normally squirt the stuff all over the walls after collecting it. Tough to get a bitch in whelp that way.
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                      • #31
                        "Luckily she was near then end of the job and was able to get out of there before they started breeding the dogs."

                        This made me LOL! Thank GOD she made it out of there and didn't have to see dogs getting it on! She might have been scarred for life! Are you f'ing serious?? Your friend calls you crying because there are dogs humping in the barn?
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                        • #32
                          If she can handle cleaning duck poo as well and is close to me, she is welcome to come work here a few times a week. She should just ask him if he wants to unload the horses to her.
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                          • #33
                            I think the op's "friend" is really the op and nobody got outraged at the lack of bedding and/or pellets (I know plenty of warmbloods that can get along just fine in great condition with a half lb per day as long as there is adequate forage) she decided to throw the toys out of her pram and leave.

                            It's ok, you are emotionally invested in the horse by the backstory on how you have known it for 15 years and the owners have so much money and etc. It is still not your horse and you can't expect someone to pay you to sit around and love it for 3 hours per day. You (or she) just need to move on and stop torturing yourself. Not your horse no matter how much you want it to be. Not your facility no matter how much you disapprove of this dog breeding.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                              However. Life isn't fair and maybe OP should be telling her friend to move on. Any job where you call your BFF and cry for an hour is a job you don't need.
                              after reading the OP and some of the responses, I have to agree. Since the friend has known the horse for 15 years and previous owners one would have to assume we are not talking about a teen or young adult. Granted in some areas it's hard to find a good paying job, but this is barn work, where most people do a couple hours work and get paid $8- 10 per hour. If the woman feels she is being treated unfairly, she should hit the road. I don't understand the relationship the friend has with this horse - she known it since his arrival here 15 years ago - has she followed this horse from owner to owner? She made a promise to look after the horse - promise to who the horse or all the past/present owners... ?

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                              • #35
                                Duudde, whats rediculous is working fast food, not getting breaks and cleaning public washrooms for minimum wage gag.

                                Now if i can help at my barn(there are quite a few things i cant do because im a para and for safety reasons) its 10$/hr put towards lessons or riding
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                                • #36
                                  What an odd original post (the one that was quoted), and the one that replaced it. The drama llama unleashed indeed..

                                  This is an adult person? I can't imagine that this was written by anyone over 16.

                                  ETA; in answer to the OP $10.00 per hour , and no, those are not deplorable working conditions. Having to "witness dogs breeding" is a strange choice of words.
                                  God forbid horse breeding could be "witnessed" as it is a bit more dramatic than dog breeding.

                                  If you ,or your friend, (or whomever) are this distressed about the job, they should quit, for the sake of their mental health.

                                  It seems to me that there may be a problem here that is not job related and that you, as a friend, might take a step back and realize that a visit to a councilor or physician may be in order.
                                  Last edited by skydy; May. 18, 2013, 12:53 AM.

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                                  • #37
                                    I guess what I picked up on, rightly or wrongly, is something that we've had threads about before -- the folks who treat animals as a disposable hobby that can be picked up and dropped like collecting classic cars or something. That's what I got from the OP as much as worrying about having to be around mating dogs -- that part of it was that now the horses are getting less care than before (changed food, little to no bedding -- yes, I agree that the lack of grain may well be appropriate, but the bedding issue is less than ideal, and we also don't know that the horses don't need grain/pellets; the OP or "friend" seems to think they do because she is buying feed out of her own pocket). So now dogs may be the hobby of the month for these employers, but what happens when they get tired of dogs and are ready for llamas or donkeys or angora rabbits or whatever?

                                    Just saying that that was part of the vibe I got from the OP, and which I sympathized with. We have had such threads from posters before, folks having to deal with family or friends who run through different species of animals, acquiring them or breeding them to excess, then disposing of them in questionable ways or neglecting them, etc. when they are ready for a new hobby.

                                    I'm not saying this negates the points others have made, just that a part of the original post made me feel there was more to the venting than just the kvetching about a job.
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                                    • #38
                                      Let me get this right... OP's friend is getting PAID 3-4 hours a day to spend time with 2 horses she has an emotional attachment to, on what sounds like probably a very nice property, with no one else taking much of an interest in the horses.

                                      Sounds like she's got it pretty good to me -- she's got all the benefits of horse ownership without any of the expenses (except that she's chosen to buy extra feed). Sounds like a pretty good gig to me. I know plenty of horse crazy teens who would do the same job for free. There was no mention of it, but presumably these horses also need exercise and she also gets to ride free?
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                                      • #39
                                        That is a really tough situation. Back in the day i took care of many Standardbreds that i formed deep bonds with. I got my heart broke several times when the horses got claimed from, or sold by the owners. I would track the performance of the horses after they left me and sometimes their perfomances went down. That would hurt. That meant that they were not doing good in their new surroundings. I got to the point that i really resented the fact that i had no control over the animals i cared so much about. So i know exactly what your friend is feeling. These days i own my horses and dont have to worry about how they are being treated or where they will end up.

                                        Your friend is trapped. She cares so much for the horse that it would be hard to leave him and know he may no longer get the special attention she gives him. On the other hand, it sounds like a miserable situation to be in. Glad i am not in her shoes. No advise from me, just sympathy. BTDT
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                                        • #40
                                          How do we know anything about these horses? We know that someone who is seriously offended by dog sex and makes promises to other people's horses thinks they've been cast aside. Someone who's on the farm for 3-4 hours per day. Wait - we know that the friend of someone who's offended by dog sex and makes promises to other people's horses thinks they've ben cast aside. How can we make any conclusions about the bedding or anything else? If the farm owner is as well off as the OP suggests, the horses are likely standing on mats. Did she say how long the horses are stalled? If they're basically retired (the impression I got), I'd imagine they don't spend much time in? But even if they do, mats with enough shavings to absorb liquid are perfectly adequate. A foot of banked bedding and fat horses are things that we learn to equate with luxurious horse care. The truth is, neither are in the best interest of the animals. And horses do much better long term if they can be maintained without concentrates. It's hardly abuse to feed less grain.
                                          I didn't even get the impression that the dog is being bred to excess. It's a "VERY, very expensive" stud dog. It's bound to be pretty busy at times. At least it sounds like it's of the quality to be busily creating mini-me's, not that 2 breedings = busy. Isn't that preferable to a puppy mill cheapie doing the same?
                                          IMO, the OP shot her credibility by whining about silly things like dog semen and a diet change. The, "She'd quit, but she made a promise to the horse" nonsense makes me think we're dealing with kids or a kid here. Oh, and the "I didn't hear what I wanted to, so I'm gonna' take my toys and go home" reinforces my belief that this is a teenager with a horse care job who thinks she knows more than the adult owner.
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