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Horse attacker(s)/killer(s) on the LOOSE in Nokesville, VA!

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  • #61
    Originally posted by sid View Post
    Nokesville is "semi-rural"/on the edge of suburbia in Northern VA/DC...and bears would be rare.
    I know this, I live in Bluemont.
    There was a bear in Leesburg last week....
    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...205756511.html

    Not totally unheard of for bears to wander into the burbs or city's for that matter. It's happening more and more.

    Also, on the subject of freak accidents....my "heart horse" was killed by another horse out in his field. Broke his hind leg in ways I will never even be able to comprehend. That was the only visible injury...I'm sure he had more as he was pretty banged up. My parents drove by in the gator and 30 minutes drove back by to find him laying down in the field in a ton of pain. We were having issues with the two and thought they'd work it out but turns out my horse had not one aggressive bone in his body and the other horse just had it out for him. Weirdest part of it all was that my horses mom was killed the exact same way.....it killed me. And to this day makes me cry thinking of it...I would have never thought something like that would happen!
    But once again....animals. They do really crazy things.

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    • #62
      We see them here too in a blue moon. Bluemont is much more rural than Nokesville as you are closer to the mountains.

      Black bears are mostly herbivores. If we had grizzlies, which are also major carnivores in our area. I could maybe believe it. But not black bears assaulting animals that are larger than they are.

      Horses RUN from preditors...and maybe through a fence or try to jump it. But there is no evidence of that.

      A pack of coyotes could may have done this, as they are very prevalent in our area now. But still...very unlikely to go after adult, healthy horses, especially at the head. They'd attack at the flank.

      It is a quandary for sure if one is looking for "natural" causes, considering the injuries the horses sustained according to the vet who first examined the horses, the surroundings, foot patterns, on site.
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      • #63
        Oh I wouldn't say that a bear would attack the horse, but there mere sight of a bear may have caused the horses to lose their cool completely? Just a total suggestion.
        I'm with you....something doesn't add up and I hope that they didn't close this case and can figure out what really happened. I also hope that this doesn't happen again. Totally sucks and I don't know what I'd do if I were the owners.

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        • #64
          Oh I wouldn't say that a bear would attack the horse, but there mere sight of a bear may have caused the horses to lose their cool completely? Just a total suggestion.
          I'm with you....something doesn't add up and I hope that they didn't close this case and can figure out what really happened. I also hope that this doesn't happen again. Totally sucks and I don't know what I'd do if I were the owners.

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          • #65
            What?? Wait... So the cops are just dismissing it as an accident??
            they combed the area for blood on fences, or anything? Noooo This is strange,
            Sorry I do not buy it either. >I agree watch your barns!!!

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              #66
              Originally posted by jse View Post
              Oh I wouldn't say that a bear would attack the horse, but there mere sight of a bear may have caused the horses to lose their cool completely? Just a total suggestion.
              I'm with you....something doesn't add up and I hope that they didn't close this case and can figure out what really happened. I also hope that this doesn't happen again. Totally sucks and I don't know what I'd do if I were the owners.
              I can pretty much guarantee there aren't any bears in the vicinity of that farm. If any headed that way, they'd be spotted (or hit by a car) long before they'd find their way that close in to suburbia.

              I do think this case is/will be considered "closed" now since police are claiming that the necropsy results and the vet(s) who performed them indicated this was an "accident". See my response to the next poster below for more on this.

              Originally posted by Sannois View Post
              What?? Wait... So the cops are just dismissing it as an accident??
              they combed the area for blood on fences, or anything? Noooo This is strange,
              Sorry I do not buy it either. >I agree watch your barns!!!
              Yes, the police are dismissing this as an "accident", even though the pasture was very closely investigated, and nothing was found to support the "accident" theory.

              However, the vet who was called to the scene when this happened stated last night that the necropsy results haven't even been released yet and that the police department is premature in their deeming this an "accident".

              The police have basically nothing to go on, so easiest for them to just write it off as an "accident" and be done with it. To them, it's just 2 dead horses now.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                I can pretty much guarantee there aren't any bears in the vicinity of that farm. If any headed that way, they'd be spotted (or hit by a car) long before they'd find their way that close in to suburbia.

                I do think this case is/will be considered "closed" now since police are claiming that the necropsy results and the vet(s) who performed them indicated this was an "accident". See my response to the next poster below for more on this.



                Yes, the police are dismissing this as an "accident", even though the pasture was very closely investigated, and nothing was found to support the "accident" theory.

                However, the vet who was called to the scene when this happened stated last night that the necropsy results haven't even been released yet and that the police department is premature in their deeming this an "accident".

                The police have basically nothing to go on, so easiest for them to just write it off as an "accident" and be done with it. To them, it's just 2 dead horses now.
                You know, that just plain SUCKS. I like how they issue necropsy results before they are even released. Ohh I'd be pissed, and not feel at all safe.
                Oh what the hay, it is just two horses.. It might be two people one of these days if these potential sociopaths are not found.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                  Here is the latest comment by the attending vet (the one who was called to the farm upon discovery of the horses) posted on the Prince William Co. Police's FB page about this "accident":

                  "The official cause of death is INCONCLUSIVE. The examining veteinarian at EMC could not confirm or deny that the injuries were caused by intentional malicious wounding or occured by accident - but I sure wonder how it is that 2 horses 1/4 mile away from each other in the same field are found with similarly shaped head wounds not near any trees or rocks without dirt or bark or metal fragements or broken fence or parked tractors or other dangerous surroundings without even any skid marlks etc are being ROUTINELY DISMISSED MY THE PWC POLICE DEPARTMENT as accidental deaths BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CLUES OR LEADS TO FOLLOW.... Please stay vigilant over your own horses!"

                  LINK:
                  https://www.facebook.com/pwcpd/posts...al_comments=22

                  Who's the vet? If it is who I think it is, there's no way I'd trust their word more than the EMC.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                    I can pretty much guarantee there aren't any bears in the vicinity of that farm. If any headed that way, they'd be spotted (or hit by a car) long before they'd find their way that close in to suburbia.

                    I do think this case is/will be considered "closed" now since police are claiming that the necropsy results and the vet(s) who performed them indicated this was an "accident". See my response to the next poster below for more on this.



                    Yes, the police are dismissing this as an "accident", even though the pasture was very closely investigated, and nothing was found to support the "accident" theory.

                    However, the vet who was called to the scene when this happened stated last night that the necropsy results haven't even been released yet and that the police department is premature in their deeming this an "accident".

                    The police have basically nothing to go on, so easiest for them to just write it off as an "accident" and be done with it. To them, it's just 2 dead horses now.
                    I have no info on this case at all, and you are probably right that it was NOT a case of horses spooked by bear. But regarding the feeling of safety in suburbia, I want to point out that here in south Stafford/Fredericksburg area we have had black bears wandering through the neighborhood. I also almost hit one with my car about 2 miles down 17 from the subdivision as it ran from a pasture on one side of the street where two horses were going NUTS as it passed through and across the highway into the trees on the other side.

                    http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2...1012011/662082

                    This article talks about a sighting near I-95 and into a subdivision, and has links to some of the other sightings at the bottom including the ones here in south Stafford (route 17 area) where the bear decided to head for the Giant grocery store.

                    Never let your guard down about black bears in regards to your livestock in VA. There are a LOT of bears out there.
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Rockfish View Post
                      Who's the vet? If it is who I think it is, there's no way I'd trust their word more than the EMC.
                      The vet's name is at the link I posted as it was a link directly to her comment. Did you also see that she said the EMC hasn't even released the results of the necropsy, or are you skeptical of that claim too?

                      IMO, too many unanswered questions, and now that the police have pretty much closed this case based upon info that may, or may not, be true, I'm going with the person who saw those horses in the condition they were found in that pasture.
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                      • #71
                        I'm skeptical of all claims. At least it wasn't the vet I'd feared was sent out.

                        I will remain skeptical until people who have the authority to speak on the case do so. As I posted before, I'd already gotten word that someone was saying it was my farm it happened at. I prefer to wait and see and not listen to the arm chair investigators, as one of them almost started a rumor about my property.
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                        • #72
                          Bears are wandering into highly populated areas more and more. Like I pointed out, just last week there was one in Leesburg which is a very busy town! Bear broke into garage door and was after the food in the people's freezer. He even came back later for more!

                          Horses and bears don't mix. At all. It's one of my biggest fears. Not that a bear would attack a horse but the fright it causes a horse is one I don't see very often.

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                          • #73
                            Much of Nokesville is in the Rural Crescent - with 10 acre zoning. not exctly typical suburbia.
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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Rockfish View Post
                              ...I will remain skeptical until people who have the authority to speak on the case do so...I prefer to wait and see and not listen to the arm chair investigators, as one of them almost started a rumor about my property.
                              I doubt anyone in authority will be speaking further on this case as the police have classified this as an "accident", which pretty much indicates case closed (as far as they are concerned).

                              Re: "arm chair investigators", I agree. However, as I said earlier, I'm going with the vet who saw these horses first, in the condition they were found in the field. As a professional who is truly concerned about the safety of her clients' (and everyone elses') animals, she does not want this so quickly dismissed and cast aside as simply an "accident" as this could prove disasterous to more animals (and PEOPLE) in the future.
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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Janet View Post
                                Much of Nokesville is in the Rural Crescent - with 10 acre zoning. not exctly typical suburbia.
                                True, some of it is, but Nokesville covers a huge area now, and the area surrounding the farm where this occurred (north of Rt. 28) is now full of big subdivisions and busy roads. More subdivisions are under development in that area as well - what I would call "typical suburbia".
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                                • #76
                                  I have been following this thread as well, and some questions come to mind as far as the individual horses involved. Were they the steady eddy lesson types, or were they reactive types? The reason I wonder about these questions is I think about the makeup of our herds. I think of some of my horses who would walk right up to a stranger because they tend to be overly friendly with people and would be easy to attack by some heinous low life. Then there are others who would stay far away from someone they didn't know. On the other hand, we have several horses that would probably probably hurt themselves rather grievously if they were badly spooked, whereas, others wouldn't.

                                  Whatever the answer, I feel so badly for the owners
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                                    #77
                                    Originally posted by Skeezix View Post
                                    I have been following this thread as well, and some questions come to mind as far as the individual horses involved. Were they the steady eddy lesson types, or were they reactive types?...I think of some of my horses who would walk right up to a stranger because they tend to be overly friendly with people and would be easy to attack by some heinous low life...
                                    I was told by a person who knew both horses well that both were gentle, easygoing, friendly types that would walk up to anyone in the field.

                                    I feel terrible for the owners, too. Can't imagine having to deal with something like that happening to either of my horses.
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                                    • #78
                                      Just a sidenote on the bear thing- Not all horses are as scared of bears as you would think. I've seen bears on the trail and they've not cared at all. More worried about the crashing when the bear leaves. Friends grazed their horses 30 feet from a bear trap, with a bear inside, not knowing- and the horses didn't even give a hint of being worried. If my horses were loose in their pen and a bear ambled by in the yard, they'd probably snort and maybe run to the far end, but it would be way less than someone setting off fireworks or something.
                                      Either way, horrible not knowing what really happened.
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                                        #79
                                        Interesting update regarding those "findings" of "accident" by the Prince William Co. Police:
                                        http://fredericksburg.patch.com/arti...n-horse-deaths
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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                                          I can pretty much guarantee there aren't any bears in the vicinity of that farm. If any headed that way, they'd be spotted (or hit by a car) long before they'd find their way that close in to suburbia.
                                          I don't know that area very well, but I do know that "suburbia" is no big deal to bears. My mom has had them in her back yard in VERY well developed suburban CT - she lives on a main road, everything around her is very well developed. I don't think this happened because of a bear, but suburbia is probably heaven to a somewhat adventurous bear - garbage cans and easy pickings.
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