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  • #21
    County-when you send one of your unbroke, no longer breedable (or "no longer fits into your program) QH's to auction, how much are you getting for it on average? How many per year, would you say you sell at auction that go for below 600.00? What is the average age of one that goes for below 600.00?
    Would you say you are a large, medium or small breeder compared to most other QH breeders? I'm trying to calculate the economic impact to breeders in general of not having slaughter buyers as a way to get rid of the culls/excess.

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    • #22
      County - Thanks for responding - I didn't ride him - it was someone else, so I didn't overwork him. Yeah, he's pretty much bombproof. More bombproof than most 10 year olds. He's just that way. I'm just saying, the overpopulation is a problem.

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      • #23
        Over all size wise I'm at the high end of small. Price varies over the years with the market same as cull cows. I've sold for as little as $250 as high as $700 on average for me less then 1 a year. If slaughter is banned theres nmo reason for me to breed smaller numbers my morgage isn't going down my bills stay the same. I'll still sell exactly as I do now just be a differant buyer probably for a little less. Slaughter or no slaughter will not affect my over all business at all for all practical reason. I'm pro slaughter mostly because I don't get into telling others what right they have to be in a business and I hate seeiong any ag. business get shut down espwecially export business we need all ag exports we can get,.
        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          #24
          For those who did not get a chance to post on the AQHA/horse slaughter thread before it was closed and also for anyone who cares to weigh in with their opinion on horse slaughter, the National Horse Protection Coalition has an opinion survey on our website.

          We ask that you print the survey, fill it out and either fax or mail it back to us. The address and fax are included on the survey for your convenience.

          http://www.horse-protection.org/pdf/opinion.pdf

          Thanks!

          Gail
          www.horse-protection.org

          No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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          • #25
            The first thing that hit me when I read this thread is that some people would benefit from a refresher course in economics.

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            • #26
              County- Do you ever sell any of your horses over to Europe for riding/breeding? (Aren't QH's getting more popular over there?) Do you do any advertising aimed at the overseas market?
              If you could sell 1 or 2 extra horses per year overseas, would you ever consider putting a high enough reserve on any horses sent to auction, that if they "no-sale" you could either donate them to a college riding proram or euthanize them?

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              • #27
                I've sold horses to people in The netherlands, England, and Germany.Also have bred mares that others sold to Europe before they go. I have donated horses to Cowboy For Christ programs for underprivlaged kids. Also have given some away to kids in this area that families just don't have the money to buy horses. Theres 86 counties in Mn. this one has the lowest average income per household not alot of spare money floating around for some of thses kids to have a horse. I've always felt every kid should have a shot at owning one at some point.
                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                • #28
                  Could you be more specific?

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by imissvixen:
                  The first thing that hit me when I read this thread is that some people would benefit from a refresher course in economics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                  DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                  • #29
                    Okay, really last post for the day, really I promise- I believe the QH's are almost like "certified angus beef", for the people that eat horse meat. I mean look at them, all muscled up, cute sweetheart butts, all muscled up! I'll bet they even put stickers on them, "Certified QH ________" (what's the proper word for horse meat, as compared to "beef"?)

                    In any case, bump, and need to get those letters, faxes, e-mails in! Good day to all! Also, need Russ Carnahan (Rep. MO) on the co-sponsor list in Missouri for 503! He's been sensitive so far to the horses' plight!

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                    • #30
                      this was just emailed to me, perhaps cc Mr Goodlatte when contacting your state reps:


                      ...I’ve been doing more research on this proposed bill to end slaughter. I found out that it is being held up by Bob Goodlatte from Virginia, who is the Chairman of the House Committee on Agriculture. Contrary to his constituent’s wishes, he continues to hold this up in Congress.

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                      • #31
                        Let's all say it together, IMPEACH. So, as I said before, let's all contact him! Even if he wasn't "holding anything up", heck, contact him anyway! I already have about 1 1/2 month ago about his "holding" practices. Really - this is ridiculous and I just don't understand how someone can "get by" with that! There must not be enough "pushers". Inner-dealings, etc. That's the only explanation I can come up with in my mind. They always hold them at the Committees. Perhaps they were even created for that purpose at one time, they are so good at it. Deep thoughts for the day.

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                        • #32
                          County, Do you not use any medications on your horses that say DO NOT USE ON A FOOD ANIMAL? Do you also feel that our country should harvest all of are unwanted dogs and cats? By the way monkeys are listed by Dept of Transportantion as livestock in commerce.

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                          • #33
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm pro slaughter mostly because I don't get into telling others what right they have to be in a business and I hate seeiong any ag. business get shut down espwecially export business we need all ag exports we can get,. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            We, as a people of the U.S. make decisions on what we believe is the will of the people and prohibit business' hat are fundamentaly against the nature of our culture, just as all countries do. Americans don't eat horsemeat and most find it a repulsive thought and the horse slaughter system is inhumane. Why would we want such a business here?
                            We can't actually call horses an 'AG' business because they don't have the same benefits in some states as other 'ag' animal business'. The government should not be allowed to have it both ways. The end of horse slaughter in this country will be more profitable to those industries that support their 'living' and the majority of those monies will remain here and support other horsemen.

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                            • #34
                              Do I use medications? Yes I do on horses, cattle, and hogs. The ones not to be used for human consumption have a withdrawl period and the meat is inspected by the USDA it either passes or it doesn't. If it doesn't its not used for human consumption. Since theres no report of people dying or getting sick from meat with those drugs in it I'm assuming the system works.

                              Why would we want the slaughter business here? Because we have a good source of product to export. Whty would the rest of the world want our business there? The U.S. has more business in foreign countries then the rest of the world combined. Can't have it one way
                              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                              • #35
                                Some people should be in another line of work other than breeding horses.

                                They are the equivalent of a puppy mill.

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                                • #36
                                  I agree 100%
                                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                  • #37
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The ones not to be used for human consumption have a withdrawl period and the meat is inspected by the USDA it either passes or it doesn't. If it doesn't its not used for human consumption. Since theres no report of people dying or getting sick from meat with those drugs in it I'm assuming the system works. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Almost everything we give our horses is labeled "not for use on animals intended for human consumption". Horses are not raised as food animals in the U.S. and horse owners have no clue what is allowed on a food animal. Typically NO records are transferred on horses sold loose at auction and they are not required to have health certificates. The majority of horses sold into the slaughter system are not held for 30 days. They are collected from individual owners at auctions and trucked to the slaughter facilities.They are not held for 30 days and some chemicals such as bute which is widely used in this country have NO withdrawal period. Unless they test each individual horse, the confidence level of testing is inadaquate. It is absurd that we allow animals not raised for human consumption and inadaquately tested to be allowed to be exported.

                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why would we want the slaughter business here? Because we have a good source of product to export. Whty would the rest of the world want our business there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    The three horse horse slaughter facilities are all foreign owned, they are not U.S. business' and the product they export is offensive to Americans and dangerous for human consumption overseas.

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                                    • #38
                                      The description you gave is exactly the same for livestock eaten in the U.S.

                                      Show me where theres data that states horse meat is dangerous to eat overseas. I've yet to read anything about people dying or getting sick from it unless they don't cook it properly. But thats much more common in the U.S. with ground beef and pork.
                                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                      • #39
                                        You've raised excellent points here. There are so many arguments to support banning horse slaughter but pro slaughter people just roll right over them time and time again. There's no point debating them, their like a broken record. I'm not someone who came to the conclusion that horse slaughter should be banned by pure emotion. This issue goes beyond emotion. But if the American people choose not to kill and eat dogs, cats and horses can anyone with a brain think that we would accept only horses to be treated as a food animal. Of course not, America thinks of horses as we do dogs and cats and that's enough reason to keep them in the companion animal category and not food animal. Horses are athletes and pleasure/recreational animals. They are also a beast of burden, but they are not for food. I take issue with the way food animals are treated too. There is an organization http://certifiedhumane.org/ that can help with more information about a kinder life for farm animals.



                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Echo:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The ones not to be used for human consumption have a withdrawl period and the meat is inspected by the USDA it either passes or it doesn't. If it doesn't its not used for human consumption. Since theres no report of people dying or getting sick from meat with those drugs in it I'm assuming the system works. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Almost everything we give our horses is labeled "not for use on animals intended for human consumption". Horses are not raised as food animals in the U.S. and horse owners have no clue what is allowed on a food animal. Typically NO records are transferred on horses sold loose at auction and they are not required to have health certificates. The majority of horses sold into the slaughter system are not held for 30 days. They are collected from individual owners at auctions and trucked to the slaughter facilities.They are not held for 30 days and some chemicals such as bute which is widely used in this country have NO withdrawal period. Unless they test each individual horse, the confidence level of testing is inadaquate. It is absurd that we allow animals not raised for human consumption and inadaquately tested to be allowed to be exported.

                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why would we want the slaughter business here? Because we have a good source of product to export. Whty would the rest of the world want our business there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        The three horse horse slaughter facilities are all foreign owned, they are not U.S. business' and the product they export is offensive to Americans and dangerous for human consumption overseas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                        • #40
                                          Well, here's one, but this is in regards to horses imported to France from Yugoslavia and not because of chemicals but because of eating raw or undercooked meat containing Trichinella worms. Yuck!

                                          OUTBREAK OF TRICHINELLOSIS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSUMPTION OF HORSE MEAT
                                          IN THE MIDI-PYRNES REGION OF FRANCE - SEPTEMBER OCTOBER 1998
                                          December 17, 1998
                                          Eurosurveillance Weeekly
                                          Eleven cases of trichinellosis in the Haute-Garonne and Tarn districts of
                                          France were reported to the regional health department of the Midi-Pyrnes
                                          region on 6 October 1998. All cases had eaten horse meat, bought in one
                                          butchers in Toulouse and one in Castres. An epidemiological, veterinary,
                                          and parasitological investigation was conducted to assess the outbreaks
                                          importance and identify the vehicle and source of infection.
                                          Cases were defined as residents of Tarn and Haute-Garonne districts who
                                          had presented with the following features since 1 September 1998 :
                                          confirmed case : fever (&gt; 38C) with myalgia or facial oedema with a
                                          trichinella positive serology or muscle biopsy; probable case : at least
                                          three out of the following four criteria : fever (&gt; 38C), myalgia, facial
                                          oedema, hypereosinophilia &gt; 1000/mm3; suspected case : hypereosinophilia &gt;
                                          1000/mm3 alone or associated with fever or myalgia.
                                          Cases were sought actively by the Cellule Interrgionale dEpidmiologie
                                          dIntervention du Sud-Ouest (CIREI) among medical laboratories, general
                                          practitioners, and hospital physicians in the Haute-Garonne and Tarn
                                          districts. They were asked to report hypereosinophilia (&gt; 1000/mm3) and
                                          patients who had consulted for symptoms suggestive of trichinellosis since
                                          1 September 1998. Hospital pharmacists were also asked to report
                                          prescriptions for albendazole. A standardised questionnaire was
                                          administered by telephone to the cases identified who could be contacted
                                          at the time of the study. Subjects were asked about clinical features,
                                          dates
                                          of onset of symptoms, laboratory tests performed, consumption of meat
                                          products, and where and when they had bought meat in September.
                                          The departmental veterinary services took samples from meat bought by
                                          cases in September and kept in their freezers. The distribution channels
                                          were identified from the purchasing sites reported by cases. Biopsies were
                                          taken from pets of two cases, a cat and a dog, that had been fed horse
                                          meat. The samples were tested using the enzymatic digestion method. Larvae
                                          isolated by trypsin digestion were typed by the Trichinella International
                                          Centre in Rome, Italy.
                                          Four hundred and four cases were identified who lived in the two districts
                                          of the Midi-Pyrnes region and had become ill between 20 September and 27
                                          October. Thirty-seven cases were admitted to hospital and one case
                                          suffered neurological complications. The epidemic curve suggested a point
                                          source of contamination in the third week of September. All cases had
                                          eaten horse meat and larvae of Trichinella spiralis were found in samples
                                          of mixed
                                          horse meat and horse steak bought by cases. Analysis performed by the
                                          Centre National DEtudes Vtrinaires et Alimentaires showed a high level of
                                          contamination (900 to 2700 larvae per 100g of horse meat). Biopsies from
                                          pets both yielded larvae - one larva in 0.1g from the dog; 11 larvae in
                                          0.4g from the cat. Investigation of the supply and distribution channels
                                          identified a horse carcass from a batch of horses imported from the
                                          Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and slaughtered in France. A previous
                                          outbreak in the same region of France in February 1998 was linked to the
                                          consumption of horse meat imported from the same country [1].
                                          Consumption of horse meat has become the main cause of human
                                          trichinellosis in western Europe since 1975 [2]. This outbreak is the
                                          eighth regional epidemic linked to the consumption of imported horse meat
                                          reported in France since 1976. It shows the limit of the protocols and
                                          methods currently used in the systematic control of horse meat,
                                          particularly when imported from countries from eastern Europe, where the
                                          incidence of human and animal trichinellosis is high.
                                          References
                                          1.S Haeghebaert, M Servat, C Duchen, JC Minet, AE Agrech, I Thise, et al.
                                          Outbreak of trichinellosis in the Midi-Pyrnes region of France,
                                          January-March
                                          1998. Eurosurveillance 1998; 3: 83-5.
                                          2.Ancelle T. History of trichinellosis outbreaks linked to horse meat
                                          consumption,
                                          1975 1998. Eurosurveillance 1998; 3: 86-9.
                                          Reported by the Cellule Interrgionale dEpidmiology dIntervention
                                          (CIREI) de lInterrgion sud-Ouest, Departmental Sanitary Services,
                                          Haute-Garonne and Tarn districts, Departmental Veterinary Services, Tarn
                                          and Haute-Garonne districts, Centre National dEtude Vtrinaires et
                                          Alimentaires, Maison-Alfort, Rseau National de Sant Publique,
                                          Saint-Maurice. Contact person : Charles Hemery, (hemery@cict.fr) CIREI
                                          sud-Ouest.

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