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  • Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
    I understand but it just adds to Fairfax saying "you have no proof!!1!"
    LOL. I'm sooooo gonna loose sleep over that one.
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    • It is amazing how recklessly some post on these threads. Luvmytbs openly accuses and convicts rescues which have clearly succeeded in saving horses. Obviously, another poster has taken 4 horses from there which is more than most of the sisterhood combined.
      Bluey and Fairfax have just blown the lid off of most of animal world by exposing that Lerner was obviously preventing any IRS investigation into the status of hsus. How many times have we pondered how hsus can lobby and outright politic yet maintain their 501c3 status? By having one of the foxes in the henhouse, that's how! I'm really beginning to wonder where America has gone!
      It will also be interesting to see many of these hsus apologist posters begin to fade away as their internet access is shut-off when hsus can no longer afford to pay them to come to these forums and defend their puppetmaster, Wayne!

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      • I thought this was interesting

        There's a lot of blog posts
        http://www.clarkdesigngrouparchitects.com/index.html - Lets build your dream barn

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        • Originally posted by Meredith Clark View Post
          I thought this was interesting

          There's a lot of blog posts
          Yep. Many (all?) of the points made in the blog linked have been made many times over here on COTH and on Fugly. AC4H and other sham "rescues" are out to bilk money from folks, using emotionally charged language to ramp up the sense of urgency, and making all the people who "dribble" in their dollars feel great about "saving" a horse.
          Sheilah

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          • Another, earlier post from the same blog.

            http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogs...ng-broker.html

            And the background information:
            http://gumtreestables.com/storyofdoublesrescue.html

            JSwan wrote a series of articles for Rate My Horse Pro on how to vet a rescue...I'm looking for the links.

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            • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
              Another, earlier post from the same blog.

              http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogs...ng-broker.html

              And the background information:
              http://gumtreestables.com/storyofdoublesrescue.html

              JSwan wrote a series of articles for Rate My Horse Pro on how to vet a rescue...I'm looking for the links.
              You ask, here they are:

              http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/v...-donating.aspx

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              • Here we go. JSwan wrote a whole series of articles...hope I got them all.

                In this one she addresses social media and rescues:
                http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/d...se-rescue.aspx

                Vetting the rescue:
                http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/v...-donating.aspx

                Donor Rights and rescues:
                http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/d...e-rescues.aspx

                And Equine NonProfits and Everyday Giving
                http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/e...ay-giving.aspx

                I really wish the mods would put the series up as a sticky.

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                • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                  Another, earlier post from the same blog.

                  http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogs...ng-broker.html

                  And the background information:
                  http://gumtreestables.com/storyofdoublesrescue.html

                  JSwan wrote a series of articles for Rate My Horse Pro on how to vet a rescue...I'm looking for the links.
                  And I had one in EQUUS (but I just realized that article was 10 years ago! Where did the time go? ). If I can find the link, I'll post it.

                  If I cannot find the link, I'll add it to BEHS' page and post it.
                  Visit us at Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society - www.bluebonnetequine.org

                  Want to get involved in rescue or start your own? Check out How to Start a Horse Rescue - www.howtostartarescue.com

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                  • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                    I find it rather odd that a couple of the pro slaughter people are now worried about what will happen to the horses...that they might go to slaughter.
                    Only odd to strict binary thinkers. For instance, I am militantly pro-choice. I am not abortion-is-the-only-and-best-choice. I've noticed here that the "pro-slaughter" folks are saying the same thing: slaughter-is-not-the-only-and-best option.
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                    Proud Member of the Courageous Weenie Eventers Clique

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                    • I was over at the ASB forums and contacted this "rescue." I didn't object that their definition of rescue and mine are different, but all the weird hoops I would have been required to jump through. I was given contradictory information: one email told me that I would own the horse, another said that the rescue would own the horse and could confiscate it if they did a surprise barn inspection and I didn't pass.
                      Proud Member of the League of Weenie Eventers
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                      • Originally posted by CarrieK View Post
                        Only odd to strict binary thinkers. For instance, I am militantly pro-choice. I am not abortion-is-the-only-and-best-choice. I've noticed here that the "pro-slaughter" folks are saying the same thing: slaughter-is-not-the-only-and-best option.
                        Also, what many are against is the animal rights extremist driven to BAN slaughter.

                        Whatever issues anyone may have with slaughter, those can be addressed in many ways, without needing to follow agendas to BAN slaughter.

                        Of course, that is, as you say there so well, ignored by those that are against slaughter period.

                        Just have to agree to disagree, until someone wants to make all others do what they want.
                        NO ONE is obligated to slaughter their horses, why would they think they can say what others may do with THEIR horses?
                        Strange thinking that.
                        Except when it is used, as do this one rescue here and many others, as a marketing trick to sell more horses, yes, they are selling them, whatever they want to call it.

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                        • Geez, I haven't been doing my daily reading for a few days, so was excited to see this thread at the top again, thinking there was a development. I should have known better that it would just be a few pushing their personal agenda into every possible related topic.

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                          • Originally posted by AlexS View Post
                            Geez, I haven't been doing my daily reading for a few days, so was excited to see this thread at the top again, thinking there was a development. I should have known better that it would just be a few pushing their personal agenda into every possible related topic.
                            What would be so surprising in that?
                            All do that regularly, is why they read and post here.
                            There is even the thought that some may be pushed by those groups to defend them here and there.

                            Why do I think so?
                            They seem to show up regularly after those groups start an "action alert" on some or another "drive of the moment".

                            We should all be glad that we have a place to converse, no matter what anyone wants to say.
                            Why?
                            There would not be much purpose to forums, if all there is in them is a few handpicked posters patting each other on the back regularly, don't you think?

                            I like it when those that do good are praised, but also when those that don't are called to task, as here, no matter what other agendas anyone may have, like the ban slaughter ones certain groups push relentlessly when it is convenient for them.

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                            • Absolutely it's a free place to speak, and that's a good thing. But when there's unrelated agendas pushed into every single convo, it's just plain annoying. I just responded to a convo about offering horses forever homes and the poster above me used it as a platform for the carriage horse debate.

                              Honestly, it's annoying, and it's just not relevant. Want to have a convo about other rescues that you have a problem with, then start that convo. Want to have a convo about carriage horses, then start that and keep it there.

                              I think we could all argue that any point about horses is relevant, as we are talking about horses, but really it's just plain annoying.

                              And I think I am guilty of it too, as I want to hear news about AC4Hs as I am local and had a minor level of experience, very minor. So honestly, I'd just like to hear about that, in this particular conversation. Is that too much to really ask?

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                              • Originally posted by AlexS View Post
                                ...I want to hear news about AC4Hs as I am local and had a minor level of experience, very minor. So honestly, I'd just like to hear about that, in this particular conversation...
                                I came across the following AC4H-related situation yesterday on Facebook. An OTTB by the name of "Redeeming Grace" apparently double-"bailed" from AC4H - first by a private individual, then by a rescue in FL - the rescue ended up with her.

                                Photo of Redeeming Grace when "bailed" from AC4H by Florida TRAC (after already being paid for by Linda Brown, including paying for "board" until she could be shipped) - interesting discussion in the comments:
                                https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=1&theater

                                Linda Brown then asks Florida TRAC about her:
                                https://www.facebook.com/#!/permalin...16307938428993

                                Updated photo of "RG" then posted - interesting discussion follows:
                                https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8428993&type=1

                                I'm thinking the FBI investigation is going to take quite a long time as there could well be many more similar stories being reported to them.
                                Equus Keepus Brokus

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                                • Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                                  I came across the following AC4H-related situation yesterday on Facebook. An OTTB by the name of "Redeeming Grace" apparently double-"bailed" from AC4H - first by a private individual, then by a rescue in FL - the rescue ended up with her.

                                  Photo of Redeeming Grace when "bailed" from AC4H by Florida TRAC (after already being paid for by Linda Brown, including paying for "board" until she could be shipped) - interesting discussion in the comments:
                                  https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.ph...type=1&theater

                                  Linda Brown then asks Florida TRAC about her:
                                  https://www.facebook.com/#!/permalin...16307938428993

                                  Updated photo of "RG" then posted - interesting discussion follows:
                                  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8428993&type=1

                                  I'm thinking the FBI investigation is going to take quite a long time as there could well be many more similar stories being reported to them.
                                  Actually Linda B not only bailed the horse and paid the rest of that whole 'thing' but also paid for 3 months of QT in PA for the horse. Cha-Ching.

                                  It's my understanding that the FL rescue also paid some of those same fees, and the horse looked like crap when she came out of the QT Linda paid AC4H to send her to, iirc an AC4H recommended QT spot.

                                  Per the FL rescue Redeeming Grace is one of 4 they 'saved' via AC4H.
                                  Makes one wonder how the finances of the other 3 added up.
                                  Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                  http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                  • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                    One of her mode of operations was to get AC4H horses funded to be bought and then transported to her and then she dumped them on the local humane society.

                                    And IIRC there have also been other issues.

                                    I am glad you got some good horses from Diana. She did start out with the right intentions as I recall, but then things apparently changed.
                                    What would be the benefit of having free horses sent to her so she could dump them on someone else?

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                                    • Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                                      What would be the benefit of having free horses sent to her so she could dump them on someone else?
                                      I believe that people donated to bail and transport the horses, and the Diana person also collected donations to keep the horses she then dumped.
                                      It's not always that case that these people want a financial reward from this venture.
                                      The perfect marriage, if you will, is that of one person/group who wants the money and another person/group who wants the 'acclaim' of being a savior. This savior pursuit is what contributes to so many of these rescue becoming hoarders who actually neglect the animals because they feed on this so much that they quickly get in over their heads with animals they can not afford or physically provide care for.
                                      Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                      http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                      • Maybe I missed it in 20 pages of stuff, but why is AC4H still posting "available" horses on their Facebook page? As of 12 hours ago.
                                        "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                        • Originally posted by SuckerForHorses View Post
                                          Maybe I missed it in 20 pages of stuff, but why is AC4H still posting "available" horses on their Facebook page? As of 12 hours ago.
                                          Because the sheer volume of evidence the FBI is dealing with is making it slow going to get them charged? Good cases take time. That the FBI went in with a warrant and took what they took shows they had good evidence going in, and now they're collecting even more.

                                          The FBI is now asking for anyone who paid for a horse and got a sick horse, wrong horse, or no horse, or faked or no paperwork [coggins, etc] to contact them.
                                          Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                          http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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