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  • They will be able to conduct business until they are charged. At that time a judge MAY shut them down OR allow them to continue until conviction or release
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    • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
      I am starting to believe this whole rescue "biz" is going to come to a major halt.

      And soon
      Sadly just like in small animal rescue has become the next "big business". I'm NOT debating the ethics and merrits of "should they be saved". I am willing to say that especially as of late a lot of recen't "rescues" are nothing more then mills for those who have fallen into the dregs.

      They are easy to pick out , always panhandling , often picking out one mascot with some horrific illness , injury "help donate to so and so's vet bills". Followed shortly by "so and so's vet bills have put us behind "donate to our feed /hay bill".

      Attaching a much higher price or adoption fee to anything with a bit of novelty is also far to common. AC4h and BM are specialists at that. ..there was a cute foundation bred OLD welsh mare bred by a famous/fashionable stud. She was old well past broodmare age well past serviceability But if you looked at her bail out price it was double almost everything on the page.

      The special circumstances are becoming less special and more common. Especially with the availability of far reaching social media.

      I honestly don't have a problem with brokers flipping horses, even at a profit on their end. If it annoys you ...go to the auction and bid against them in the first place.

      As long as the process is above board ,brokers are no different then traders and trainers who flip horses. They are being paid for doing the work you didn't want to do personally.
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      • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
        It's about time.
        Right, what took them so long! I guess same thing goes for the Boston Bumbling.
        "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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        • Originally posted by lolalola View Post
          I've followed AC4H for a long time and interviewed Christy on a few occasions. It seems to have gone south when she got involved with broker horses. Before that, she'd raise money to buy a horse or two from New Holland and rehome them. Once she hooked up with Moore, it wasn't a horse or two a week but dozens. She also was quite friendly with a woman named "Tee." Tee died unexpectedly, quite young, with no one claiming her body. It turned out that the name she'd been using was an alias, that she had a criminal record for fraud. She and CS had been tight as ticks, but when Tee died and the truth came out CS never commented about it. I always wondered whether Tee sort of schooled her in the art of the con. Maybe, maybe not, but that's about when AC4H went from an organization with a fairly good rep to a fairly bad one.
          Right, desperation for money with poor ethical standards will get you every time. Christy wanted to save her farm, and found a way to do it. Like it or lump it, many, many people do the same. I am sure she has helped many, she also, like Alex Brown also were the means by which many federal frauds and scams were pertetuated. ABR had at the last count facilitated at least five principle scams that resulted in individuals like Mary O'Brien, who was even more unsteady emotionally and intellectually eventually kill dozens as a 501C3, she got hooked on drugs, she also got a slap on the wrist as far as I know. The handwriting is on the wall, it all revolves around the decay of the agricultural, scientific and industrial decay of this nation over the last 40 + years since the death of John and Robert Kennedy, I should say, their assasssination and the subsequent coverup.
          "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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            Originally posted by appdream View Post
            I have been following this, since AC4H is local to me. I have found it interesting that the local newspaper has not done any coverage on this. Even the "local" news station, that has poor coverage in Berks Co. has featured this story.

            Above, "Tee" was mentioned, she also was very local to me. She was running a scam for many years and under many aliases. There was at least one thread on her here at the time of her death.
            Ok- so can someone please tell me "Tee's" real name and/or her alias? She's apparently deceased so there should be no legal ramifications for outing her now.

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            • Originally posted by uphill View Post
              TRUE
              Um...kinda depends on what the funds/items are, the conditions of the donations, and the rules under which the NFP was incorporated, and why the NFP has ceased to exist. You can't use "I'm a non-profit, nyah!" to dodge legitimate debt. If assets have to be sold to pay legitimate creditors OF THE ORGANIZATION (ie the NFP-as-corporate-entity owes the landlord, the power company, etc--NOT the director's personal house is in forclosure) the court can order that, or unless there were specific written instructions on a particular gift, the organization can sell assets to pay for it. If their charter allows it, a disbanding museum, for example, could auction off the art to the public. If there were restrictions on the gift, they have to abide by those, or go to court to get them overturned. (There have been, again, art museum who had to do this just to build a new building because collections were given with the stipulation they be displayed in X location forever...most museums will now just refuse gifts or bequests like that as they aren't worth future hassle.)

              And, of course, the IRS can seize just about anything if it turns out the corporate entity owes taxes.
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              • Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                Celeita Kramer / Crossed Sabers / SWAP has been "a month away" of "losing the farm" for YEARS. I'm guessing it's been a somewhat successful marketing ploy since she's still using it.

                I can only hope that with the Feds shining the spotlight on AC4H, they also shine it in the direction of Celeita Kramer. From what I've read and heard, AC4H and SWAP appear to me to be two of the biggest "horse adoption/rescue" scams on the East Coast.
                SOOOO TRUE!! Celeita has been using this 'losing the farm' ploy for at least 10 years. She has had fundraisers to save the farm MANY times. She even had "her fiance Ed" ( ex with much drama played out on the Internet) pay off the second mortgage ( around $150K as I recall) and somehow her lawyer FORGOT to sign the promised paperwork giving him a second mortgage. Perhaps this time it's true!!

                Somewhere there must be archived SWAP webpages giving info....or Icequeen ( former trainer at SWAP) would know. Bet he was there about the time she was. Icequeen...where are you?? I just remember adopter being VERY unhappy.

                AC4H will continue ...at least for now.

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                • Originally posted by Calamber View Post
                  Right, desperation for money with poor ethical standards will get you every time. Christy wanted to save her farm, and found a way to do it..
                  Save WHAT farm? Christy doesn't own a farm; they own a doublewide on about an acre and a half of land. There's a large garage separate down by the road and they have a lean-to shelter in the back for one horse. That's it. They RENT an old bank barn in N. Hiedelberg Township that has an acre+ dry lot attached to it for what rescues they have. They house their minis and a few horses across the street from her home at her parent's, where they converted a small garage for the horses and fenced off a tiny paddock. That's it, folks, as far as the actual rescue goes.
                  The horse I bet on was so slow, the jockey kept a diary of the trip.
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                  • Originally posted by Miss Aria View Post
                    Save WHAT farm? Christy doesn't own a farm; they own a doublewide on about an acre and a half of land. There's a large garage separate down by the road and they have a lean-to shelter in the back for one horse. That's it. They RENT an old bank barn in N. Hiedelberg Township that has an acre+ dry lot attached to it for what rescues they have. They house their minis and a few horses across the street from her home at her parent's, where they converted a small garage for the horses and fenced off a tiny paddock. That's it, folks, as far as the actual rescue goes.
                    They are talking about Crossed Sabers not AC4H
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                    • Oh, sorry, my bad. Just assumed since it was an AC4H thread they were talking about AC4H.
                      The horse I bet on was so slow, the jockey kept a diary of the trip.
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                      • Originally posted by Calamber View Post
                        The handwriting is on the wall, it all revolves around the decay of the agricultural, scientific and industrial decay of this nation over the last 40 + years since the death of John and Robert Kennedy, I should say, their assassination and the subsequent coverup.
                        That is so where I was expecting you to go..

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                        • Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                          Oh, but AC4H contacted SWAP (Celeita) to inform her that the KB had him. Deflection, anyone? Or maybe AC4H is trying to pull SWAP down with them?
                          https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...13580512005506

                          Yes, this is getting even more interesting!
                          Even MORE interesting... read that Facebook thread linked above; even with AC4H contacting SWAP re the horse being at Moores, one would guess in order for SWAP to pony up as other owners/breeders do when they get what must be an ever so charming call from these people, and SWAP sending verified paperwork that the horse is theirs per the adoption contract... now the horse is not 'available'?

                          Does anyone else smell something? Is it on my shoe?
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                          • PA Rural.
                            I am trying to find the info on "Tee". Resuce was located on Onyx Cave Rd., Shoemakesville, PA.

                            "Tee" was supposed to have faked her death in the past and rumors have been circulating that she has done it again. In 1211, there was only supposed to be one horse left on the farm. Now there are quite a few. I don't know if her husband is still operating it or if someone new is there.

                            This is the rescue infomation:
                            Lifelines Farm
                            415 Onyx Cave Road
                            Shoemakersville, PA 19555

                            And says she died Nov. 5, 2008. Info halfway down the page.

                            http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/M...ce/message/803

                            Here is more information about "Tee's" aliases and criminal record.

                            http://www.newenglandequinerescues.com/lifelinestee.htm

                            Her obituary was for Lisa Louise (Zeller) Williams, published in the Reading Eagle newspaper on Nov. 11, 2008.
                            Last edited by appdream; May. 5, 2013, 10:55 PM. Reason: adding information

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                            • Interesting post and discussion about AC4H and SWAP (Celeita Kramer):
                              https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/A...3044415409704/
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                              • Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                                Interesting post and discussion about AC4H and SWAP (Celeita Kramer):
                                https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/A...3044415409704/
                                That thread makes my head hurt.

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                                • Based on the information the FBI is seeking, I don't see how they can survive this:

                                  Currently, the feds say they are looking into issues of horses that were misrepresented, where either a different horse was received than expected or the animal was altered in some way.

                                  FBI Special Agent Charlene Trux says investigators also want to speak with those who may have purchased a horse, but never received one.

                                  Also of interest are situations where services, like a coggins or health certificate, were paid for, but were never supplied by AC4H. If you had issues with the group, and utilized Paypal, fax, or mail - your story may also be of interest.


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                                  • Originally posted by jenm View Post
                                    Based on the information the FBI is seeking, I don't see how they can survive this:

                                    Currently, the feds say they are looking into issues of horses that were misrepresented, where either a different horse was received than expected or the animal was altered in some way.

                                    FBI Special Agent Charlene Trux says investigators also want to speak with those who may have purchased a horse, but never received one.

                                    Also of interest are situations where services, like a coggins or health certificate, were paid for, but were never supplied by AC4H. If you had issues with the group, and utilized Paypal, fax, or mail - your story may also be of interest.


                                    http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/f...es-rescue.aspx

                                    Thats all well and good but some of the information that are seeking is so subjective vs factual. Anyone with an axe to grind could say the horse they got was misrepresented etc. What happened to buyer beware?
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                                    • Originally posted by Lynnwood View Post
                                      Thats all well and good but some of the information that are seeking is so subjective vs factual. Anyone with an axe to grind could say the horse they got was misrepresented etc. What happened to buyer beware?
                                      This goes deeper than just cases of buyer beware. There are instances of people paying for horses and not getting them.

                                      I'm sure the FBI is pretty skilled at figuring out who has an axe to grind and who has a legitimate complaint. It's my understanding this investigation has been years in the making, so the FBI would have had to gather a lot of solid evidence before making the raid.

                                      No doubt there will be subjective information, but I bet there is a lot more information that is well documented by the people who were scammed.
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                                        Originally posted by appdream View Post
                                        PA Rural.
                                        I am trying to find the info on "Tee". Resuce was located on Onyx Cave Rd., Shoemakesville, PA.

                                        "Tee" was supposed to have faked her death in the past and rumors have been circulating that she has done it again. In 1211, there was only supposed to be one horse left on the farm. Now there are quite a few. I don't know if her husband is still operating it or if someone new is there.

                                        This is the rescue infomation:
                                        Lifelines Farm
                                        415 Onyx Cave Road
                                        Shoemakersville, PA 19555

                                        And says she died Nov. 5, 2008. Info halfway down the page.

                                        http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/M...ce/message/803

                                        Here is more information about "Tee's" aliases and criminal record.

                                        http://www.newenglandequinerescues.com/lifelinestee.htm

                                        Her obituary was for Lisa Louise (Zeller) Williams, published in the Reading Eagle newspaper on Nov. 11, 2008.
                                        Was her ex husband a local cop? Did her brother-in-law eventually close out the rescue? I am thinking of the right person? I recall hearing about the rescue getting evicted.

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                                        • PA Rural, I don't have an answer for your questions. I know in 2010 some menonites told me they had looked at some horses that the rescue was trying to rehome after "Tee's" death. In 2011, my farrier said there was only one horse left there and they were still looking for a home for the horse.

                                          I had not noticed from a distance, any horses there for the past few years. This spring I have been driving past the farm, on my way to the baseball field. This is when I noticed there are close to 20 head on the farm. I don't know who is operating the farm or if it is a rescue, a boarding barn or private.

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