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  • Need a comeback comment.....

    Okay, the creative minds on this board never ceases to amaze me so......here's the thing. Everybody on this board understands our horses, especially those we have raised and have had for a while, are more than just furniture. I mean really, take away my horses and I become a not very nice person.

    So, your standing around, grumbling about the economy and how everything keeps going up, gas, food, feed, hay, and someone who has no clue has to point out, "Do you realize how much MONEY you could save if you didn't have horses?"

    Now, these people aren't really interested in your well being, they just want to point out they don't approve of how your spending YOUR money. I would really like to hear how some of you handle this. I have yet been able to think of a response that gets the point across without being rude, even though they are.

    For those who want to lecture on horses/money/responsibility/priorities...don't bother. I can afford my horses just fine and hope to do so for a long, long time. The day I can't will be a black day indeed.

  • #2
    I think they have a good point and aren't being rude at all just realistic. Most people could save money if they didn't have a horse. To me its like when people complain they have a cold all the time, don't feel good, cough, and then light up a smoke. I always tell them they'd feel better if they quit smoking. Rude? I don't think so just reality.
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.


    • #3
      You could start with "Well bless your heart..."
      The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
      Winston Churchill


      • #4
        I don't really see it that way, considering horses are my therapy, I would spend the money on couseling if I didn't have my horses.


        • #5
          Horses are still cheaper than therapy...


          • #6
            Guess I'm w/ County on this one... yes, if things got bad, the first thing to go would be my horse. Of course, first I'd find as cheap of a place I could to keep him, pull shoes, and let him be a pasture puff until times got better. But if I couldn't do that? I'd have to find him a new home. And most of you know what I've been through with this horse... but I do think realisticly.

            I personally don't complain about the economy, etc. I've said, "I'm lucky that I can have a horse as it is "an extra". It's a "want", but not a "necessity". I made the "My horse is cheaper than therapy" comment before... the answer I got? You have health insurance, right? Yes. Well then all you would have to pay is a co-pay ($20) per visit for therapy. That's still cheaper. I have to admit... they did have a point.


            • #7
              Originally posted by LSM1212 View Post
              You have health insurance, right? Yes. Well then all you would have to pay is a co-pay ($20) per visit for therapy. That's still cheaper. I have to admit... they did have a point.
              Well, actually, no they don't.... That is, you can play that card for six months to a year, until the company you work for decides your medical expenses are raising their insurance premiums too much and finds an excuse to fire you or lay you off.

              Don't even TRY to tell me it doesn't happen. And it will be happening more and more.
              "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief


              • #8
                Anyone who would make the comment of such regarding horses/money/economy - that person is probably a scrapper by that has no hobbies and works too hard just for necessities. People who say this to me, I just state that they are my 'hobby' and it's an affordable hobby for me.


                • #9
                  Originally posted by LSM1212 View Post
                  I made the "My horse is cheaper than therapy" comment before... the answer I got? You have health insurance, right? Yes. Well then all you would have to pay is a co-pay ($20) per visit for therapy. That's still cheaper. I have to admit... they did have a point.
                  I dunno... Let's assume that I ride my horse 5x/week. The equivalent amount of therapy would then cost $100/week, or $5200/year. It depends on how you keep your horses, but my yearly cost for (pasture) boarding two horses is $4200.
                  If we have to nail on talent, it's not talent.
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                  • #10
                    So, your standing around, grumbling about the economy and how everything keeps going up, gas, food, feed, hay, and someone who has no clue has to point out, "Do you realize how much MONEY you could save if you didn't have horses?"
                    No offense meant, but I got a giggle out of this. You were standing with someone complaining how much fuel and feed and hay has gone up (all things concerning your horse) and someone mentions "Well, it would be cheaper if you didn't have a horse" and they're clueless?
                    Change the person and luxury item:
                    You're standing around in a group complaining about the economy, no mentions of equine related costs. Someone complaining gripes how much fuel, fertilizer, grounds fees, club fees, caddy fees and golf clubs cost lately. You mention, "Do you know how much you'd save if you didn;t golf?" Would you be clueless? I know tons of people who golf for sanity's sake. Sure there's no cute cuddle living breathing animal involved...and I personally don't get what's so addictive about walking around perfectly good horse pasture wearing funny pants to hit a ball either. but to that person...it's cheaper than therapy for them too.
                    And another angle to look at it from: Non-horsie folks make up the VAST majority of this entire planet. Us horsie folks are insular and elitist. Yes...even those of us who aren't wealthy and using grooms and having million dollar horses are elitist. We *think* we're better than non-horsie folks. Someone who doesn't own a horse and doesn't care to...and who is chatting about the rough economy right now in regards to affording to drive to work or the rising costs of groceries or taxes or heating their homes this winter aren't going to be amused by someone who owns a horse griping about how much it costs to feed their luxury item. Because even ol' dobbin in someone's backyard not getting professional training or paying $800 per month in board or what-not is a luxury item. Because I know around here I cannot feed and care for and keep healthy and shoe a horse at home for less than $200-$250 per animal. To someone else that's an awful lot of money a month on a hobby. $2400 per year minimum to own a horse. (if they don't go through any big vet bills or require any new tack or break anything in the barn, etc) If someone else was complaining about the economy and in the next breath mentioned how much their elite gym membership of $2400 per year was hard to make, you'd probably roll your eyes too.
                    Granted...we ALL think our horses are better to have than a boat, golfing or gym membership...but that's just us. Nobody else thinks that way and nobody else is insane for not being as insane as we are. And we're all a bit nuts.
                    You jump in the saddle,
                    Hold onto the bridle!
                    Jump in the line!


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Saidapal View Post
                      I can afford my horses just fine and hope to do so for a long, long time. The day I can't will be a black day indeed.
                      Why don't you just reply with this? You won't convert anyone with a long drawn out explanation and you don't owe them one. Or just say "yes, I know how much I can save if I didn't own one but being without them is not going to happen. I'm just venting". Odds are good they spend their money on things you wouldn't dream of spending it on.

                      They are responding to your grumbling. One can't grumble without the risk of getting "input" from others.


                      • #12
                        OMG I actually agree with County! Break out the champagne!
                        If they ask you that, you could say, "Yes. But at least pets are proven to help you live longer, I get more exercise, and it's not ruining my health, unlike your pastimes of smoking/drinking/gambling/doing drugs etc."
                        "Uh, if you're going to try that, shouldn't you unplug it first?"


                        • #13
                          I don't have kids, and never will. I have pets, and they are my family. I'd make huge cutbacks in what I do and how I sustain myself before I would get rid of certain horses. Fortunately I am in a position to do that if need be for some time. If it ever changed to where I could not provide a level of care I was comfortable with for said horses, I would do the right thing and find them a person who could.

                          Seems the Beatles said it best. Money can't buy me love.


                          • #14
                            "Do you know how much money you'd save if you hadn't had kids??


                            • #15
                              Well, depending on the person in question: "Do you realize how much MONEY you could save if you didn't have kids?"

                              Seriously, though, every single one of us spends money on something that other people see as unnecessary. Unless your spending habits are directly affecting the speaker (like if it's, say, your spouse ), then I pretty much guarantee they have no room to talk. Which I suppose means your choice, depending on how much you like these people and how irritated you are , is between pointing that out and taking the, "Well, bless your heart" route...

                              (Personally, I DON'T have health insurance, so I guess I can consider it a benefit that that makes horses still cheaper than therapy... )

                              [talkofthetown beat me to it... ]
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                              • #16
                                I'd just shake my head as if I just had a dawn-on and say "Wow ! I never thought of that !"
                                "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you..."


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by talkofthetown View Post
                                  "Do you know how much money you'd save if you hadn't had kids??
                                  Don't let anyone tell you that your ideas or dreams are foolish. There is a millionaire walking around who invented the pool noodle.


                                  • #18
                                    I get that all the time from a certain person - not just money but time. Of course, he also complains about my elderly dogs and my son ... there's a reason we aren't dating, and no, that wouldn't change if I didn't have all the things I love. But I've also gotten it from other people, because face it... horses ARE luxuries. I never consider them clueless though because they are right - I would save a lot of money if I didn't have the horses.

                                    When that comes up in a conversation I typically say something like "I know, they are an expensive hobby, but they are also a very important part of my life. They are my sanity and my entertainment - that's why I trail ride or go to the barn instead of going out to dinner or movies. I've cut back in other ways to afford them, and they give back way more than money can buy."

                                    However, I also try not to complain about the cost of my horses because having them IS a luxury and I consider myself lucky to be able to (barely) afford them right now. I've also cut back on them - they are on pasture care now instead of having stalls, they only get supplements they actually need, I moved to a barn that has trails you can ride to instead of having to trailer out, etc.... and I have further plans to cut back if I need to.

                                    I don't think any comments back like "Think of how much money you'd save if you didnt' have kids" is appropriate.... especially when the comment is made in response to you complaining about the cost of the horses. The person was probably just stating the obvious - and I firmly believe offense can't be given, only taken. So if you take it offensively you're bound to respond defensively. Responding positively, even a "I know ... I'm so lucky to be able to afford them right now, and they give me so much back that it's worth it to me" is better than being upset or snarky about it. JMHO anyway.
                                    If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
                                    ~ Maya Angelou


                                    • #19
                                      We, who are used to and acclimated to throwing our money at horses each and every month (or day, or hour - ymmv) don't 'get' how extravagant it looks to people who don't. They don't have any idea how much value we extract from our horse involvement, that part is unknowable to them unless they experience it. So all they see is the exterior.

                                      I realized this when I was working my way through college and was talking to one of my professors about my need to get scholarships and grants. They knew I had a horse and pointed out to me that I could be funnelling that money into school instead. From the outside it looks like a frivolous choice to lots of people. Especially people who are, unfortunately, skating closer to the financial brink than we are.

                                      I know that when I hear people complaining about tight times, I think they're off base if they're still paying for Cable TV, expensive monthly cell phone plans for everyone in the family, constant dinners out, 2-liter bottles of Pepsi and Diet Coke crammed in the fridge, and so on. It all has to do with your perspective. To other people, our horse involvement is equivalent to buying a bunch of soda and Cable TV. We find a lot of balance, exercise, and mental health in our horse involvement; but those are hard to quantify and prove to the onlooker.


                                      • #20

                                        That about covers it, don't you think?
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