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  • Originally posted by Discobold View Post
    I happen to think it IS my business. I have an undergraduate degree in economics along with my master's in international relations, and my first job out of law school was in the International Trade practice of a top law firm. So why don't you tell me what it is about "basic" economics that I don't understand. I'm a quick study. And, for the record, I AM against horse slaughter.
    If you are so well educated, you ought to know enough law to understand that what we are for or against is not really what should determine how all others may be required then to live by.
    If you are, say, methodist and are appalled by all that came out of abuses in the catholic church, being against those and not being a catholic, do you think you would now want to ban the catholic church, saying look at all that goes on in there and we, the methodist, don't have that, do we?
    Or pick your example.

    Well, that is what we have here, a perfectly good process to use what SOME horses can be for us after death, horses that are going to be killed anyway, animal control or euthanizing clinics have been suggested.
    Some want to ban it because of several reasons, forgetting that it is just a process and subject to how it is conducted and that subject to laws and regulations, but it is not perfect and still being worked on, as is any other we do in life.
    As in the catholic church, some abuse happens, some regulations are broken, supervision may not be adequate, but does that mean we ought to ban it as evil?

    I will take this, copied from a post by Guilherme on gun use in the OT day forum, that we all should think about.
    The bolding is what I am pointing out here and I think it is some of why in these slaughter debates some are coming across as intransigent, can't see but one side, one solution, to ban.
    Just think about this:

    ---"For those who choose not to carry I say God Bless You. It is a personal choice and I hope it works out. Sadly, many who make that choice then falsely reason that since they are intelligent and have made an intelligent decision that anyone who comes to a different decision is either less intelligent or just, plain wrong. They then demand that ALL people follow their road."---

    Yes, all of us would do well to consider where others are coming from and that there may be other to this debate than just a few glib words can dismiss so easily, as we have been doing time and again.

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    • I've never said I know more than anybody else. I called Alagirl's bluff after she repeatedly stated that anyone who doesn't agree with her lacks a grasp of basic economics

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      • Originally posted by Discobold View Post
        I've never said I know more than anybody else. I called Alagirl's bluff after she repeatedly stated that anyone who doesn't agree with her lacks a grasp of basic economics
        Sorry, while your post I quoted started my train thoughts there and I used that as an example, I should have added that I meant all of us ought to think about our positions.
        I didn't meant "you" as an individual, can see where that can be read as such.
        I should have made that clear.

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        • Okay I am going to make myself as CLEAR as possible.
          I hate the present administration, I am a rabid conservative. there I said it.
          The country is going the path of socialism so fast people will not know what hit them. it used to happen a little at a time, so people did not really notice the changes.
          I do not believe in sticking a gun in peoples faces and telling them what to do. Figuratively speaking. That is what is happening in all areas of life in this country, So Bluey I do get it. More laws we do not need. Enforcing the ones that exist might be a nice change.
          I do not CARE if they have slaughter or not. there I said it.
          I do not LIKE the fact that horses are not well handled in the same factory methods as most cattle slaughter houses. I do believe it is because we do not eat horse. We eat beef. I am not a hand wringer, Sure I hate seeing abuse of any kind, I am more concerned about the ones that are starving in some yahoos back yard, Yet another problem.
          I for the record have NEVER said I want a ban, I do believe there are people on these threads that do. no matter what. and fail to see the consequences.(Just lost points with the anti's)
          I love horses, I love Cat's and dog's and all sorts of creatures. But I LOVE America more, and I am far more concerned with what is happening to our freedoms than I am with what is happening in slaughter houses.
          I do not spend my waking hours worrying about the one that slipped through the cracks. I know there are some great people out there with the ways and means to rescue and support neglected or unwanted horses, See thread about one that just got picked up on this forum.
          But I think we as a group, ( Horse people) on a bulletin board are not going to change the problem. MAybe in some ways yes, but not the actual industry itself. Like I said in the last thread that was closed.
          Take care of your own critters, BE responsible, for their welfare. Help ones that you can, donate money or feed to someone who has taken ones in.
          Works for the dog and cat shelters too. I try in the summer to volunteer or drop off some big bags of dog and cat food to my local one. That is what makes the difference. Buy some grain, or hay, or wormer for a rescue you know is trying to make a difference.
          Horse will continue to be slaughtered. There may or may not be one opened in the US. But try to think inside your own circle how you can help, I can be sure all of us typing away on an internet board are not helping the issues one bit.
          So let me repeat, I AM NOT AGAINST SLAUGHTER. I am not for abuse either, but There are so many levels of abuse. THe wack job supposed QH trainer who ties her horses heads to their saddle and says she is teaching them to bend, Lather, Rinse, repeat. We can only educate in an area we know something about. Shoving things down peoples throats is never the way.
          That is why the extremists are so hated. The real reason they should be hated is because they really could give a crap about animals in general, it is a control thing. They want to tell people what they can and can't do, at the point of a gun(Figurative). Dangerous in any area of life.
          Pretty soon it will come around to bite us all in the ass. And most will be standing around scratching theirs saying,"Now how did this happen"

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          • Originally posted by Sannois View Post
            Okay I am going to make myself as CLEAR as possible.
            I hate the present administration, I am a rabid conservative. there I said it.
            The country is going the path of socialism so fast people will not know what hit them. it used to happen a little at a time, so people did not really notice the changes.
            I do not believe in sticking a gun in peoples faces and telling them what to do. Figuratively speaking. That is what is happening in all areas of life in this country, So Bluey I do get it. More laws we do not need. Enforcing the ones that exist might be a nice change.
            I do not CARE if they have slaughter or not. there I said it.
            I do not LIKE the fact that horses are not well handled in the same factory methods as most cattle slaughter houses. I do believe it is because we do not eat horse. We eat beef. I am not a hand wringer, Sure I hate seeing abuse of any kind, I am more concerned about the ones that are starving in some yahoos back yard, Yet another problem.
            I for the record have NEVER said I want a ban, I do believe there are people on these threads that do. no matter what. and fail to see the consequences.(Just lost points with the anti's)
            I love horse, I love Cat's and dog's and all sorts of creatures, But I LOVE America more, and I am far more concerned with what is happening to our freedoms than I am with what is happening in slaughter houses.
            I do not spend my waking hours worrying about the one that slipped through the cracks. I know there are some great people out there with the ways and means to rescue and support neglected or unwanted horses, See thread about one that just got picked up on this forum.
            But I think we as a group, ( Horse people) on a bulletin board are not going to change the problem. MAybe in some ways yes, but not the actual industry itself. Like I said in the last thread that was closed.
            Take care of your own critters, BE responsible, for their welfare. Help ones that you can, donate money or feed to someone who has taken ones in.
            Works for the dog and cat shelters too. I try in the summer to volunteer or drop off some big bags of dog and cat food to my local one. That is what makes the difference. Buy some grain, or hay, or wormer for a rescue you know is trying to make a difference.
            Horse will continue to be slaughtered. There may or may not be one opened in the US. But try to think inside your own circle how you can help, I can be sure all of us typing away on an internet board are not helping the issues one bit.
            So let me repeat, I AM NOT AGAINST SLAUGHTER. I am not for abuse either, but There are so many levels of abuse. THe wack job supposed QH trainer who ties her horses heads to their saddle and says she is teaching them to bend, Lather, Rinse, repeat. We can only educate in an area we know something about. Shoving things down peoples throats is never the way.
            That is why the extremists are so hated. The real reason they should be hated is because is because they really could give a crap about animals on general, it is a control thing. They want to tell people what they can and can't do, at the point of a gun(Figurative). Dangerous in any area of life.
            Pretty soon it will come around to bite us all in the ass. And most will be standing around scratching theirs saying,"Now how did this happen"
            Well, looks like you finally got your thinking cap on and put it all together.
            I think we get it, all of us, thank you, more to think about.

            I will say, if we really think about all of this, the idea of millions of small animals killed in shelters ever year, year after year, for decades, now that thought pales beyond what horse slaughter issue may ever be.
            I sure hate if we go there with our excess horses now.

            That is a terrible way to manage our society, not being able to educate enough people so we don't have that happen, uggh.

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            • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
              I will take this, copied from a post by Guilherme on gun use in the OT day forum, that we all should think about.
              The bolding is what I am pointing out here and I think it is some of why in these slaughter debates some are coming across as intransigent, can't see but one side, one solution, to ban.
              Just think about this:

              ---"For those who choose not to carry I say God Bless You. It is a personal choice and I hope it works out. Sadly, many who make that choice then falsely reason that since they are intelligent and have made an intelligent decision that anyone who comes to a different decision is either less intelligent or just, plain wrong. They then demand that ALL people follow their road."---

              Yes, all of us would do well to consider where others are coming from and that there may be other to this debate than just a few glib words can dismiss so easily, as we have been doing time and again.
              How about you try to practice what you preach, please?

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              • Originally posted by Discobold View Post
                I've never said I know more than anybody else. I called Alagirl's bluff after she repeatedly stated that anyone who doesn't agree with her lacks a grasp of basic economics
                uh, I did not find anything where it showed you do grasp basic economics.

                You just claimed to have a degree in it. and worked in a law firm.

                which makes your lack of understanding all the more worrisome.

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                • Originally posted by Dispatcher View Post
                  How about you try to practice what you preach, please?
                  See post 303.

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                  • Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                    uh, I did not find anything where it showed you do grasp basic economics.

                    You just claimed to have a degree in it. and worked in a law firm.

                    which makes your lack of understanding all the more worrisome.
                    Do you have some deep seated emotional problem that you find it necessary to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you? Is your life so very miserable, that all you have to do for fun is to hang on COTH 24/7 and make snarky, nasty, remarks?

                    What are YOUR qualifications to understand economic theory?

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                    • Uh she'd been kind of saying that the whole time.

                      Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                      Well, looks like you finally got your thinking cap on and put it all together.
                      I think we get it, all of us, thank you, more to think about.

                      I will say, if we really think about all of this, the idea of millions of small animals killed in shelters ever year, year after year, for decades, now that thought pales beyond what horse slaughter issue may ever be.
                      I sure hate if we go there with our excess horses now.

                      That is a terrible way to manage our society, not being able to educate enough people so we don't have that happen, uggh.
                      The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                      H. Cate

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                      • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                        Do you have some deep seated emotional problem that you find it necessary to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you? Is your life so very miserable, that all you have to do for fun is to hang on COTH 24/7 and make snarky, nasty, remarks?

                        What are YOUR qualifications to understand economic theory?
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qWXTdN4kOKA

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                        • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                          Do you have some deep seated emotional problem that you find it necessary to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you? Is your life so very miserable, that all you have to do for fun is to hang on COTH 24/7 and make snarky, nasty, remarks?

                          What are YOUR qualifications to understand economic theory?

                          You know I am not qualified! I don't own a horse!


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                          • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                            You really should not compare small animal shelters, that I also helped in for years, with now horses ending up there and euthanized and taken to landfills as small animals are now.

                            That doesn't make sense, when we have a perfectly good process to use those horses one more time and, if we like to consider the reality of what horses are, SOME of them.
                            They really are a large amount of produce once dead, that we have always been smart enough to make use of properly, not discard SOME of them carelessly as toxic waste, as some want to do now.
                            No comparison was intended. Adding the info about working local dog rescue was to help those who need to label people to put me in the right category. And I don't care what horses are when they are dead. It's how they "get dead" that matters to me. We do not have a good process to slaughter horses no matter how good the use afterwards.

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                            • Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
                              Uh she'd been kind of saying that the whole time.
                              Thanks JG.. I kind of thought I had been too!

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                              • Originally posted by GoForAGallop View Post
                                You know....the whole article is sad and something to think about, biased spin or not, but that's what I walked away with:

                                Thinking what scum bags his final owners were. You don't sell a horse for $100 to a KNOWN DEALER under the assumption that he is "going to a good home with rolling green pastures." They knew exactly what they were doing....shipping him off somewhere, out of sight, out of mind.

                                Well, I'm from the area mentioned in the article and Glen Priest is a horse dealer that is well known for taking horses to the auction to be sold for meat. He has been rumoured to have on the instruction of a local vet to 'remove' two horses from a womans property who owed the vet money. The horses were taken to the auction where horses commonly go for meat to sell the horses and give the proceeds of the sale to the vet.

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                                • Maybe GoforaGallop, but plenty of people have been taken, right here on COTH. Even on the giveaway thread. I hope none of them went for meat, but you never know, do you?

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                                    nice vet!!! I know he wants his money, but there are other ways. My vet would be my former vet quickly if she did that!

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                                    • Originally posted by Karosel View Post
                                      Well, I'm from the area mentioned in the article and Glen Priest is a horse dealer that is well known for taking horses to the auction to be sold for meat. He has been rumoured to have on the instruction of a local vet to 'remove' two horses from a womans property who owed the vet money. The horses were taken to the auction where horses commonly go for meat to sell the horses and give the proceeds of the sale to the vet.
                                      There ought to be more to that story than you say there.
                                      The deadbeat woman must have agree to them taking the horses.
                                      If not, she could go to the police and get them arrested for stealing!

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                                      • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                        There ought to be more to that story than you say there.
                                        The deadbeat woman must have agree to them taking the horses.
                                        If not, she could go to the police and get them arrested for stealing!
                                        She did go to the police. The police were involved, but I don't know the outcome. If I'm remembering correctly the dealer was banned from taking horses to that particular auction for a period of time.

                                        Yeah, there likely is more to the story (there always is!). I wasn't surprised when I read the article and saw that Glen Priest had lied about owning the horse for 6 months previous. And while I wasn't surprised about Mr. Priests and the vets involvement in the horse repo and sending to slaughter for vet bills it did make me raise my eyebrows and think to myself really Dr. XXX you couldn't use another route to get your money back or perhaps let it slide and write it off on your taxes? <shrug>
                                        Last edited by Karosel; Apr. 4, 2013, 02:59 AM.

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                                        • Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
                                          nice vet!!! I know he wants his money, but there are other ways. My vet would be my former vet quickly if she did that!
                                          yeah mine too.
                                          Last edited by Karosel; Apr. 4, 2013, 03:06 AM.

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