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Did a horse die at Clinton Anderson's ranch?

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  • #21
    The cost also depends on how much you have done. Tissue samples, full dissection, just a gross look see. But I'd sure want to know. BUt I'm guessing he wasn't insured in which case it really doesn't much matter. Dead is dead.

    The whole page is weird, like another poster said for days it was "predicting" something DIRE was going to happen. Maybe he did die but not exactly on that day. On another post she says:

    No we chose not to necropsy him. It doesn't really matter how he died. We do not plan to sue about his death. So the knowledge of how he died would serve no real purpose. He will laid to rest at the Downunder Ranch. We were told he was hobbled and turned out to graze and two hours later he was found dead. No signs of thrashing (like a colic) but something quick like a heart attack or aneurism. I just hope he didn't suffer. He will be greatly missed.
    March 11 at 8:28pm ·

    So she obviously agrees that the horse probably died of natural causes and doesn't plan to sue. So she should stop making it sound like it WAS his fault, somehow, someway! Apparently the horse was a real bad boy, bucking and bolting and that can be quite scary with something as big and powerful as a friesian.
    Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground.

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    • #22
      From her FB Page

      Pharaoh has been visiting us in our dreams. He talks to us and sends us his "letters from camp Downunder". I am looking forward to this week getting over. He is incognito for two weeks. Next Monday we will hear from the trainer and get our first report from a person.
      Pharaoh sends us a lot of emotional information, you can guess just like a child he is homesick, stressed, and has fears. We send him love and encouragement. I hope he knows we love him and are very proud of him. I ask him to do his best and work hard. I guess we will find out if any of it is getting through to him.
      I have total faith that Clinton and the academy students know what they are doing and that I will bring home the horse of my dreams.
      And speaking of dreams:

      Pharaoh it would seem had a rather stressful day, yesterday. He is being asked not to be his playful, childlike self and to grow up and become responsible for his actions and reactions. Oh course these are the pictures he sends us at night while we are sleeping.
      I will admit, when my horse was at the trainer, I worried about him, and that worry was expressed in my dreams.

      This is so weird:

      We do not know how he died. We will never know. And it really doesn't make any difference, he's dead. We can't bring him back.
      We did not have him autopsied. It could have cost thousands of dollars on top of an already tragic situation. Our grief was just too accute to think ahead to legal options and we were in shock.
      OK, so there wasn't an autopsy. But couldn't she have mentioned whether he died alone in the pasture vs. after having been run in a round pen for 3 hours? (Not saying that happened, just that it's a big difference!)

      He was 200 miles away from us and we didn't have anyone in our corner that far away. So he was buried on the DUH ranch. But feel free to share our story.
      200 miles is NOT very far in Texas.

      But feel free to share our story.
      So weird that she wants us to share her story. What story? Why would we share it not knowing whether the horse died under suspicious circumstances?
      I have a Fjord! Life With Oden


      • #23
        Sad story.

        Horse was hobbled to graze and left alone for at least a few hours? Didn't know that was a Natural Horsemanship training method.

        When I was a child, the elephants on display at the Houston Zoo were hobbled. They seemed so sad and had permanent scars around their hobbles. They would just sway to and fro and seemed very blank. I'm glad they have such natural turnouts and recreation spaces now. What a difference on so many levels.

        I feel sad for this horse and for the owner as well.


        • #24
          I haven't read the Facebook page. I don't need to. This person is a loon. First of all, to NOT CARE what killed your horse is just TWEAKED. Second of all, there is an extremely generous group called "The Fenway Foundation" who will oftentimes pay for detailed FRIESIAN NECROPSIES. http://www.fenwayfoundation.com/index.html Sadly, due to the fact that so many Friesian owners are "first time" horse owners, and chose the breed for it's mistykal, majikal qualities, many of these horses are not properly handled or trained. They literally are the "pasture ornaments" this person described. And once they're asked to DO something -- LOOK OUT. The breed also suffers from an extremely small gene pool, and subsequently, like purebred dogs, have some genetically inherited issues and health risks. One being aortic rupture, which can cause sudden death. That being said, Friesians are certainly not the only breed of horses that die from this! The likelihood that this person on Facebook is "out in left field" is VERY high. That being said, I'm not so sure I agree with training tactics that exhaust horses into submission. But I also think it's unlikely that this horse died from any kind of "abuse".
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          • #25
            Yep, 200 miles is 'over there', a hop, skip and jump.

            About the autopsy/necropsy, there is an outfit in CO which supposedly will refund half of your fees for putting a horse down. I think it's in Front Range. I looked into it but didn't follow through.

            Sorry, but the posts sound over the top to me. Like she didn't realize if you don't follow through with the training, Horse goes back to being a jerk. I loff my horses but I think she's humanizing them too much. Overall, I don't blame CA, horses are horses, sh*t happens. Sorry he died but it happens.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Plainandtall View Post

              I keep refraining from writing what I'm thinking- but this link shows a list of various schools who offer necropsy- and in all cases it's less that $500 to have the necropsy and disposal. It's not "thousands of dollars"... most of them are less than $300. certainly the cost of the training the horse was going to get was going to cost more than that- so that money is in the bank- it's not like they have to come up with extra money- they aren't going to be charged for the training- so you take that money and you find out the cause of death if there is something that seems fishy- you don't just trust that there is a dead friesian in a hole somewhere in Texas...you know- at least SEE THE DEAD HORSE- 200 miles in Texas is next door... it's NOTHING and for a horse who your share telepathic dreams with- you drive 2.5 hours to see for yourself. ..oh and there I went and started typing again.
              That's the price of a necropsy on a single, non Friesian horse. For a Majikal Friesian, there is the cost of 1 horse necropsy, plus the necropsy of 743 Butterflies, and 1 Fairy. Hence, the several thousand dollar cost.


              • #27
                My friend has a Fresian cross and the horse does not sweat properly. She puts her on A1C and has her on a special diet to keep her weight down and hopefully help. In the summer here in hot humid Va, we have to really monitor her breathing and general condition if we go on a trail ride. Sometimes on the hottest days, she will come in from pasture very hot and breathing hard. She often has to give her water and hose her off before she can even do anything with her. She opts to have the horse on pasture board as the horse has a lot of allergies and she was worse living in a stall(allergies to the shavings, hay etc). Maybe the horse in question had a similar problem and work and being tied out in the hot sun caused the horse to die?


                • #28
                  The whole things sounds like an imaginary story from start to finish. I wonder if she even had a horse, let alone one in training anywhere.


                  • #29
                    Here a necropsy is about 200$; and the horse will be cremated afterwards. And I live in one of the most expensive areas of the US.

                    After reading the excerpts of her posts, I think someone is engaging in some creative storytelling. Weird.
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                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                      The whole things sounds like an imaginary story from start to finish. I wonder if she even had a horse, let alone one in training anywhere.
                      I have not seen the Facebook page but I was wondering the same thing. One poster said that many of the pictures on her page are of horses owned by others, she "predicted" something was wrong, smells of someone covering their lies to me.


                      • #31
                        Here in TN, large animal necropsies are free. Basically it's our tax dollars at work. Check with your state!
                        To ride a horse is to borrow freedom.


                        • #32
                          All of the misuse of the term "autopsy" on that Facebook page is making me crazy.

                          The whole thing reads like a badly written story, I think... I suspect there's little/no truth in a large part of it.
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                          • #33
                            I saw this all over Facebook too. Too bad the owner seems crazy and the story full of holes. We will probably never know what happened but she's getting lots of attention and drama. This type of owner is who makes Friesian people look bad. Not everyone with a Friesian is crazy!

                            I wouldn't send a horse to Clinton A but not because of this story.


                            • #34
                              Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                              The whole things sounds like an imaginary story from start to finish. I wonder if she even had a horse, let alone one in training anywhere.
                              This is what I was thinking. They have NO IDEA how it died? Not that hard to tell if it died of natural causes even without a necropsy.

                              Reeks of Insurance scam or something like that.


                              • #35
                                That woman is definitely three flakes shy of a bale.
                                “Pray, hope, and don't worry.”

                                St. Padre Pio


                                • #36
                                  Fairy Knob Farm http://www.fairyknobfarm.com/

                                  Says they are breeders of FairyTale Horses...

                                  Would you like some crazy to go with your Majikal cup of coffee?
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                                  • #37
                                    "Clinton himself told me several times, horses die in this program. I really thought it was a scare tactic to keep out the wimps. I never in the world thought a world class outfit like his would ever allow horses to actually die."

                                    Ever "allow" horses to "actually" die? In contrast to what, pretend die?
                                    That sounds like something a preteen would say.


                                    • #38
                                      She had one Friesian and she was going to breed him to what? A Percheron mare? No pictures of any horse being ridden. None of the horses look like they are even groomed regularly. Oh yeah, get me on the waitlist for a mutt foal from her farm. And she says she loves to grow and use herbs. I'll bet she does.....
                                      “Pray, hope, and don't worry.”

                                      St. Padre Pio


                                      • #39
                                        Was the horse a stallion? One post she said she can't breed him.


                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                          The whole things sounds like an imaginary story from start to finish. I wonder if she even had a horse, let alone one in training anywhere.
                                          I was actually going to say the same thing. Are we sure this isn't a munchausen by internet case?

                                          Doesn't sound at all real to me.
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