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Hey Leerburg: Don't advertise your Amish dog leashes with a photo of a starved horse

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  • Hey Leerburg: Don't advertise your Amish dog leashes with a photo of a starved horse

    This photo is appalling. If that's who makes Leerburg's dog leashes, I wouldn't buy anything from them in a million years.


    How can anyone in the pet supply business think this is acceptable?
    I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

  • #2
    It really isn't a starved horse

    It is a horse who is a bit lean, but it is a 5 on the Body score scale, no leaner than some racehorses or eventers and the Amish horses do work for a living, as opposed to sitting around and thus won't carry the level of body fat that you might be used to in show horses.

    It has a top line and the hips are rounded.

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    • #3
      I see a woolly, sweaty horse when I scroll down the linked page ?
      "When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade."


      • Original Poster

        It has jutting hipbones, sunken depressions in the croup, and apparent scarring over its visible ribs. Sorry, that is not a "bit lean."
        I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry


        • #5
          it's not how I would present my horse in public, but it's not starving.
          It ain't fat though, that's for sure.


          • #6
            Originally posted by Guin View Post
            It has jutting hipbones, sunken depressions in the croup, and apparent scarring over its visible ribs. Sorry, that is not a "bit lean."
            Hmm...there is a reason you can't give a body condition score via photograph. It is definitely a lean horse, but the apparent scarring in my opinion is dried sweat. I probably wouldn't call it a 5; more like a 4 at best, but without being able to put my hands on it I can't really tell. It looks like it might be quite thin over the backbone and hips, but it really is hard to say for sure from the picture. I agree that I would not present my horse in that condition, and I would probably agree that 100lbs or more would look good on it.

            But, hey, I'd definitely send a message to the company - why not? They must have the ability to get a better photo and maybe know so little about horses they think this is a great picture.


            • #7
              I also just saw a slightly lean, sweaty horse (who maybe has a little age on him?) They aren't show hunters!
              "Everyone will start to cheer, when you put on your sailin shoes"-Lowell George


              • #8
                Originally posted by Toadie's mom View Post
                I also just saw a slightly lean, sweaty horse (who maybe has a little age on him?) They aren't show hunters!
                My exact thoughts.

                It's a working horse, not a show horse, and I don't see any sign of abuse in that picture. A fluffy, sweaty, older horse. Nothing to write home about...


                • #9
                  Sweat does strange things to a winter coat.
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                  • #10
                    Not hardly.
                    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.


                    • #11
                      From all the Amish horses I saw when I was driving a big rig, this guy actually looks pretty good. He could look a whole lot worse.
                      GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!


                      • #12
                        Horse looks like it is "rode hard and put up wet". Not in very nice condition, but thats jmho.

                        I dislike how the stitching doesn't match at each snap. Looks like low quality workmanship.


                        • #13
                          Gestalt, the quality on those leashes looks substandard to me too. If I'm going to buy leather leashes, I'll just order from Quillin.


                          • #14
                            I'd put him at a 3.5-4 on the BCS. So yes, that is on the thin side of the chart but I think using "starving" and "jutting" is hyperbole. Like others have said, I'd sure be working to put weight on him if he were mine, but this is a hard working Amish horse. They don't have an easy life but I stop (way) short of calling that abuse.


                            • #15
                              Just for giggles, I pulled the photo up in Photoshop and resized it so I could see more clearly. That horse is NOT showing any ribs, is not hollow or lacking muscles across the topline or hindquarters, the hipbones aren't jutting out, and it is most certainly not starving. It's a solid 4.5 -5.

                              While it is not a particularly well-put together or attractive horse, it is in good weight, and there is even a bit of shine to it, even with a shaggy, sweaty winter coat.
                              "Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them."
                              -Richard S. Bach


                              • #16
                                This is only one of many reasons not to give Leerburg money.

                                I'd rather not support someone that thinks choking a dog out is an acceptable training method, based on his misunderstandings of debunked "dominance" crap.


                                • #17
                                  Based on that photo, the worst I can accuse the guy of is being a bad photographer.
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                                  Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                  -Rudyard Kipling


                                  • #18
                                    I see a (possibly) older horse who works HARD for a living. Could he stand a few lbs? Sure. But he's hardly about to drop dead from starvation.
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                                    • #19
                                      I won't buy from the Amish anyway. I have a dozen other reasons not to give them my money - it sure doesn't end up going to vet care for their animals. Generalization? Sure - but the good Amish won't take a stand against the bad ones, so in general, they suck at animal husbandry and never get my business.


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by gaitedincali View Post
                                        This is only one of many reasons not to give Leerburg money.

                                        I'd rather not support someone that thinks choking a dog out is an acceptable training method, based on his misunderstandings of debunked "dominance" crap.
                                        I actually consulted with him several years ago about our chow mix that bit another dog, when she was 3. He told me she was dangerous and to have her put down immediatly. I never did, she lived to be 14 and never showed aggression to another creature ever again. Thank goodness I listened to my gut.