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  • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
    No, I don't mean only one, there are several, don't tell me you really have not noticed that?

    Yes, refuted time and again and that seems to be the only time you notice, evidently, not when those on your side keep bringing the same over and over again.

    Heck, I have even been told to go somewhere else, as if this was an animal rights extremist site and any other than agreeing with them is not acceptable.

    Well, not really, this is a HORSE OWNING, TRAINING, CARING FOR site, if some have not noticed yet.
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    • What you know, our local news just reported that the bill to permit horse slaughter plants just passed in OK, waiting now to be signed into law by the governor, that indicated it would sign it.
      The bill is still not permitting the sale of horse meat in the state for human consumption, so if a plant opens, it will have to be selling their production somewhere else.

      No telling how this will end.

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      • Wow, so the pro-slaughter posters are still calling people who are anti-slaughter animal rights activists.....I guess it is easier than trying to understanding a different opinion.

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        • Originally posted by stolen virtue View Post
          Wow, so the pro-slaughter posters are still calling people who are anti-slaughter animal rights activists.....I guess it is easier than trying to understanding a different opinion.
          Not all, just some of them.

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          • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
            Bluey, I don't believe there is any plant in this country that tests every single animal. They might test one out of an x number and separate by lots, so if there's a problem, that lot can be recalled. I think you're just full of it.

            Heck, we don't even test every cow for BSE. And in this case, we're talking about the Kaufman plant that polluted their own environment, racked up thousands in fines and never paid it. You're trying to tell me they tested every horse, out of the goodness of their hearts, even though they weren't required to do so? The BS meter just went sky high.
            She is full of it. In 2006 or 2008,(I'd have to search for the info again), NO horses were tested for bute at the US SH's. In fact in the UK from 2007-2011, only 150 horses were tested.

            That stmt about every horse being tested is like Fairfax stating they wouldn't want cameras that others could see in order to protect Proprietary methods. Umm...there are no proprietary methods on slaughtering a horse. Not like you can patent a shooting position.

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            • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
              What you know, our local news just reported that the bill to permit horse slaughter plants just passed in OK, waiting now to be signed into law by the governor, that indicated it would sign it.
              The bill is still not permitting the sale of horse meat in the state for human consumption, so if a plant opens, it will have to be selling their production somewhere else.

              No telling how this will end.
              Just to give you an idea of the intelligence level of the politicians voting to bring slaughter to Oklahoma:

              Sens. Al McCaffrey, D-Oklahoma City, and Constance Johnson, D-Forest Park, were among those who spoke against the measure, questioning the safety of horse meat that would be slaughtered in Oklahoma and sold for consumption in other countries.

              “Why is it OK for us to approve meat that has been contaminated with injections?” she asked.

              Sen. Eddie Fields, R-Wynona, the Senate sponsor of HB 1999, said horses are not to be slaughtered until 21 days after receiving their last injection so that the meat is not contaminated.


              After their last injection of what?! Idiots.

              http://newsok.com/horse-slaughter-bi...3771464http://
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              • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                Not all, just some of them.
                Yup you in particular. Bluey. Still.

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                • Originally posted by jetsmom View Post
                  She is full of it. In 2006 or 2008,(I'd have to search for the info again), NO horses were tested for bute at the US SH's. In fact in the UK from 2007-2011, only 150 horses were tested.

                  That stmt about every horse being tested is like Fairfax stating they wouldn't want cameras that others could see in order to protect Proprietary methods. Umm...there are no proprietary methods on slaughtering a horse. Not like you can patent a shooting position.
                  Well I knew it.. Yet Bluey continues to skirt the issue and say she KNEW someone who said they tested every horse.
                  And I have quoted from her post in a post above after she claimed to lauraky that they were not even talking about horse meat.??????? ~Crickets~
                  Well now they have both lost credibility, And I am not even anti slaughter!

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                  • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                    Look, I don't know where your brother worked, but in the Dallas plant, as per people working there over the years, several of them, that is what they said they were doing and why.
                    So did some inspectors.

                    Tell me, why is it wrong to say that is what I know and why, take it as you wish?

                    Yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but that was a pertinent example of someone lying, was I not clear?
                    I am not lying as accused, as already explained many times, I just state what I know and where from and you are free to believe it or not.
                    There are also inspectors, that have testified before congress (and the video and transcript is out there), that here in the US when they found severe Humane handling violations, and brought it to the SH owners attn., and then their bosses attn., they were told to shut up, and stay out of the way, and then reassigned to someplace else, and the SH continued as before.

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                    • It's like arguing with a cactus.

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                      • Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                        It's like arguing with a cactus.
                        I wouldn't want to argue with a cactus.......pricks, I tell you!
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                        • Originally posted by jetsmom View Post
                          She is full of it. In 2006 or 2008,(I'd have to search for the info again), NO horses were tested for bute at the US SH's. In fact in the UK from 2007-2011, only 150 horses were tested.
                          I am late to the party I guess.

                          jetsmom, I remember that as well. Certainly it's still out there on the net.

                          And BTW, county called bluey out on BS on more than one occasion.
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                          • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                            Look, I don't know where your brother worked, but in the Dallas plant, as per people working there over the years, several of them, that is what they said they were doing and why.
                            So did some inspectors.

                            Tell me, why is it wrong to say that is what I know and why, take it as you wish?

                            Yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but that was a pertinent example of someone lying, was I not clear?
                            I am not lying as accused, as already explained many times, I just state what I know and where from and you are free to believe it or not.
                            Bluey, at this point in time you are "lying as accused" and it is ridiculous for you to continue to try to push this as fact on almost every slaughter thread that comes up. You seem to believe that you are some sort of sage that everyone must believe simply because you say so? Well, when you post BS, people are not going to believe the BS, especially when the only source you have for your BS facts are some story about how someone who worked at a plant told you this.

                            That excuse might have worked the first time you used it, then a reasonable person would have stopped trying to push that false information after the first link from the USDA proving that to be completely untrue. Perhaps you "were had" by your source at Dallas, but you continuing to try to perpetuate it as fact, after it has so obviously been proven to be wrong, completely destroys your credibility. Trying to deflect by screeching about RARAs doesn't help you either.
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                            • Originally posted by ADM7040 View Post
                              Bluey, at this point in time you are "lying as accused" and it is ridiculous for you to continue to try to push this as fact on almost every slaughter thread that comes up. You seem to believe that you are some sort of sage that everyone must believe simply because you say so? Well, when you post BS, people are not going to believe the BS, especially when the only source you have for your BS facts are some story about how someone who worked at a plant told you this.

                              That excuse might have worked the first time you used it, then a reasonable person would have stopped trying to push that false information after the first link from the FDA proving that to be completely untrue. Perhaps you "were had" by your source at Dallas, but you continuing to try to perpetuate it as fact, after it has so obviously been proven to be wrong, completely destroys your credibility. Trying to deflect by screeching about RARAs doesn't help you either.
                              I think I have answered that a time or ten already, so please read thru what has already been posted a bit more carefully if you want to make sense with what has been stated.

                              Just in case you missed it, believe what you want, all I do is put forth what I know and why and, really, that is the way it was, but you are free not to believe it, if it doesn't fit with what you want to have happened.

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                              • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                I am late to the party I guess.

                                jetsmom, I remember that as well. Certainly it's still out there on the net.

                                And BTW, county called bluey out on BS on more than one occasion.
                                That was his name.. I was trying like crazy to remember his name.
                                What ever happened to him?

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                                • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                  I think I have answered that a time or ten already, so please read thru what has already been posted a bit more carefully if you want to make sense with what has been stated.

                                  Just in case you missed it, believe what you want, all I do is put forth what I know and why and, really, that is the way it was, but you are free not to believe it, if it doesn't fit with what you want to have happened.
                                  Are you for real? You cannot be. Now several people have called you on this and yet you persist in saying you answered it.
                                  I think adm stated it very well. You have pretty much lost all credibility.

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                                  • Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                                    That was his name.. I was trying like crazy to remember his name.
                                    What ever happened to him?
                                    He died unexpectedly.

                                    The differences we had is that he worked in a small slaughter plant at times, one of those individuals take their one head to, of several species and it seems it was not quite always run as it should.

                                    Of course that is not the same as the only beef ones with a whole work force with several shifts and several inspectors there all the time, that is what I mentioned a time or two, where it would have been harder for that to happen as he described.
                                    The other was about how some hauled where he lives, so very different than here, where truckers are extremely regulated.

                                    Best I remember, that was only in two occasions from many, many we both posted, that we had a difference.
                                    Hardly what that one poster just stated, trying to make it other than the rare occurrence it really was.

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                                    • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                      I think I have answered that a time or ten already, so please read thru what has already been posted a bit more carefully if you want to make sense with what has been stated.

                                      Just in case you missed it, believe what you want, all I do is put forth what I know and why and, really, that is the way it was, but you are free not to believe it, if it doesn't fit with what you want to have happened.
                                      Once again, you don't KNOW it, you heard it. Maybe you heard it wrong, maybe not. But you certainly don't KNOW it.

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                                      • Originally posted by Sannois View Post
                                        Are you for real? You cannot be. Now several people have called you on this and yet you persist in saying you answered it.
                                        I think adm stated it very well. You have pretty much lost all credibility.

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                                        • Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                          He died unexpectedly.

                                          The differences we had is that he worked in a small slaughter plant at times, one of those individuals take their one head to, of several species and it seems it was not quite always run as it should.

                                          Of course that is not the same as the only beef ones with a whole work force with several shifts and several inspectors there all the time, that is what I mentioned a time or two, where it would have been harder for that to happen as he described.
                                          The other was about how some hauled where he lives, so very different than here, where truckers are extremely regulated.

                                          Best I remember, that was only in two occasions from many, many we both posted, that we had a difference.
                                          Hardly what that one poster just stated, trying to make it other than the rare occurrence it really was.
                                          Oh, you mean the big, reputable beef slaughter houses like this one...one that had a contract with the federal government that required humane treatment?

                                          http://grist.org/news/abusive-slaugh...t-recall-case/

                                          The solution to that? Ag Gag laws so that whistleblowers can no longer film the abuse.

                                          Or maybe this one? http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ire&id=8888136

                                          Or like this upstanding meat packer with child labor violations? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/us/30fine.html?_r=0

                                          Or this one that polluted the Sioux Falls River? http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...cker-pollution

                                          Or this one abusing calves? http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...-cruelty-claim

                                          How about this hog slaughter plant dumping waste in the river? http://www.meatpoultry.com/News/News...ste.aspx?cck=1

                                          That's not even beginning to list the abuses at poultry plants and farms. And the factory farm and slaughter house solution? Ag Gag rules to keep anyone from finding out.

                                          It's enough to turn someone vegan.

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