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  • #41
    Yes, I've seen what you have OP.

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    • #42
      All the Amish horses I have seen are well taken care of. They are well fed and in good health. They are livestock, however, so it is no surprise that when their usefull days are over, they are sold to auction. This is exactly the same as cattle farmers culling their unproductive cows. It is not cruel, just a different way of doing things.

      Yes, there are Amish that do not treat their horses as well, but, as others have said, there are all kinds of people in all cultures.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by babecakes View Post
        And there's the auction with the Amish draft horse with a foot cemented in a bucket so they could sell him to the kill buyer.
        Huh???

        I feel it is poor form to bash Amish on an internet forum.
        It isn't like they are going to get online to tell their side of the story.
        Last edited by 5; Mar. 16, 2013, 04:13 PM.
        A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
        Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'

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        • #44
          It doesn't matter if there is perfect care in every respect....Horses are not meant to pound 20/30/40 miles a day on modern asphalt roads! Its a death sentence for their legs, especially the more delicate builds, like the Saddlebreds.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by 5 View Post
            Huh???

            I feel it is poor form to bash Amish on an internet forum.
            It isn't like they are going to get online to tell their side of the story.
            Just me, or everyone who posted on this thread? The sentence that I wrote was an observed fact, I did not state any opinion. And there's no conjecture, they did sell him to the kill buyer, in the parking lot.

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            • #46
              I know people of all makes and models mistreat horses, what I don't understand is why the Amish do it.

              They use horses as a mode of transportation, wouldn't a sound horse in good weight pull faster and longer?
              http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                #47
                Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                I know people of all makes and models mistreat horses, what I don't understand is why the Amish do it.

                They use horses as a mode of transportation, wouldn't a sound horse in good weight pull faster and longer?
                My thoughts exactly!

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                • #48
                  Amish are merely human beings, and as human beings they come in many stripes. To decide someone is being harsh on a horse because he is Amish, not because he is a person who is being harsh on a horse, is lazy thinking. To look at this logically, everybody who Rolkurs, sores, cranks and spanks, starves, neglects, dopes, drugs, etc. horses is Amish. And of course this is not the case.

                  PS: OP if saying "prejudice is wrong" makes me snarky, then color me snarky because I'm going to be that kind of snark alot.

                  Paula
                  He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                  • #49
                    ^ This. IMO The varied experiences people have had reflects less on the Amish people than people in general. If you exchanged every car in America for a horse and buggy things probably wouldn't be any different. As horse lovers, we are a lot more concerned with and sensitive to horse problems. We are a small portion of the population.

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                    • #50
                      I frequently visit Lancaster, PA to go shopping and such. I've seen it
                      both ways - horses in good weight, coolers on while tied at the rail, water
                      bucket on the ground. Some bigger stores have run-ins that the horses
                      can be tied head in and out of the weather.

                      And I've seen horses worked into a lather, skinny as all get out. I've seen
                      very lame ones pulling the carraiges along the road too.

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                      • #51
                        I firsthand had many many experiences with Ohio Amish puppymillers. Got so bad I refused to even look at puppies anyone who called them "pups" called about. Our pet store had 100% local puppies, but we had to be constantly on guard against them trying to slip in. Every single amish person with dogs I met over 10 years had filthy sick parasite infested skinny puppies of any and all breed and crosses, which were almost always MUCH younger than they tried to claim, and were ALWAYS TERRIFIED of humans. It was sick.
                        ~Former Pet Store Manager (10yrs)
                        ~Vintage Toy Dealer (rememberswhen.us)
                        ~Vet Tech Student
                        Mom to : 2 Horses, 4 Dogs, 2 Cats

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                        • #52
                          As a human being who only uses horses for transport, why not throw some feed your horse's way? Or keep them in if they're lame? It's kind of like not getting a flat tire fixed or your oil changed and expecting your car to still take you to the market.
                          http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by red mares View Post
                            And FalseImpression, the "mentality" is livestock, not pet. And there's nothing wrong with it. My horses are livestock, not pets. If your friend was that upset, she should have offered the guy the $100 herself, instead of just taking the horse. She had the problem, not the owner.
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                            Believe me, she spent a lot more than $100 on the horse while she had him and cared for him!!! He came to visit the horse and was happy French was doing well... not on his dime though..

                            Even livestock can be treated well and fed and appreciated!

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by Plainandtall View Post
                              Compare these statements:
                              "most puppy mills are run by Amish people" (Is that even true?) and "Most Amish people farm puppies." (certainly not true)
                              I don't believe anyone has said that "most puppy mills are run by the Amish", or that "most Amish run puppy mills". It has been said that there are many Amish puppy mills. A totally different animal, it you'll pardon the pun.

                              StG

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                              • #55
                                Have you ever had a conversation with Amish? Do you know that many have their horses for 10-15 years?

                                One of the worst puppy mills in PA is "English" owned, not Amish owned. Abuse is not limited to the Amish!
                                "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by StGermain View Post
                                  I don't believe anyone has said that "most puppy mills are run by the Amish", or that "most Amish run puppy mills". It has been said that there are many Amish puppy mills. A totally different animal, it you'll pardon the pun.

                                  StG
                                  No, my point was that many people seem willing to say that they do not like or respect Amish people because of puppy mills. Why don't people just not like puppy millers and leave the fact that some of them are Amish out of it... you know... like in other politically correct gymnastic excercises modern people go through to avoid sounding like they are prejudiced against a large group of people because of the behavior of some.

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                                  • #57
                                    RE: I firsthand had many many experiences with Ohio Amish puppymillers. Got so bad I refused to even look at puppies anyone who called them "pups" called about. Our pet store had 100% local puppies, but we had to be constantly on guard against them trying to slip in. Every single amish person with dogs I met over 10 years had filthy sick parasite infested skinny puppies of any and all breed and crosses, which were almost always MUCH younger than they tried to claim, and were ALWAYS TERRIFIED of humans. It was sick.

                                    Lazy thinking. Do you think that those people who owned puppy mills were cruel because they were Amish? Then what about the non-Amish who own puppy mills -are they undercover Amish? Nobody is discounting our human ability to be thoughtless. What we're saying is that it is not an operation of being Amish. Okay, since for some it is an acceptable prejudice to show contempt to this group of people let's try for a much more volatile bigotry.

                                    Hey, why do Black people commit so much crime? I mean, most of the people in jail are black so what's that about? I was mugged by a Black guy once. And don't tell me I wasn't mugged because I was, and he was Black. Why do Black guys mug?

                                    Paula
                                    He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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                                    • #58
                                      I've come to the conclusion some people are just aghast by hard work. Perhaps they consider work abusive.
                                      If the horse is not 7/8 fat living in knee deep shavings doing its 15 mins on the equisizer or a 30 min spin under custom tack the whole /gasp poor horse is abused rhetoric gets rolled out.
                                      Some people and even some animals have to work and work hard. Our fluffy lazy first world culture needs to get over its work phobia.
                                      "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
                                        Lazy thinking. Do you think that those people who owned puppy mills were cruel because they were Amish? Then what about the non-Amish who own puppy mills -are they undercover Amish?
                                        You're kind of a failure at logical thinking, Paula.

                                        Stating that a high percentage of puppy mills are Amish owned does not equal 'all Amish own puppy mills' or 'all puppy mill owners are Amish'.

                                        Just like statements of fact do not equal prejudice.

                                        Maybe don't scold people for their "lazy thinking" until you master some reading comprehension skills.

                                        Just a thought.
                                        "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
                                        -George Morris

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
                                          You're kind of a failure at logical thinking, Paula.

                                          Stating that a high percentage of puppy mills are Amish owned does not equal 'all Amish own puppy mills' or 'all puppy mill owners are Amish'.

                                          Just like statements of fact do not equal prejudice.

                                          Maybe don't scold people for their "lazy thinking" until you master some reading comprehension skills.

                                          Just a thought.

                                          So, to follow your logic, the correct conclusion is that Amish who have puppy mills do so because they are Amish? The correct conclusion is that Amish are predisposed to treating animals (such as horses) poorly simply because they are Amish?

                                          I see.
                                          Paula
                                          He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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