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  • Original Poster
    #41
    It was interesting to see that Minnesota voted FOR the amendment...and here, I thought they were all a bunch of pro-slaughter people up there...

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    • #42
      I have blocked out the name of that piece of dung from Montana--Conrad something. I don't see his name and he wouldn't vote in favor if his life depended on it. Must be in appointment with his (criminal) lawyer.

      Do you suppose this means that county will crawl back into his hole?

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      • #43
        That piece of dung is no other than Conrad Burns. I used to live in MT and my mother still does - I told her that she better never let me catch her voting for him! She said she never would.

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          #44
          Burns voted "No" as did the other Senator from MT.

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          • #45
            I'm sad to see that Cornyn voted no. I voted for him last time and will have to seriously rethink how I vote next time.
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            • #46
              What does this mean? Will slaughter houses be forced to shut down?

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              • #47
                As with Blondy, what does this mean? Will equine slaughter shut down?
                "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" Richard Bach

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                  #48
                  I'll try to answer, but Gail or someone else could probably do it better.
                  In order to ship horse meat overseas for human consumption, you must have USDA inspectors present at the slaughter facility. This bill removes the funding for inspectors, so there will be no USDA inspectors. Therefore the meat cannot be shipped overseas for human consumption. Approx 65000 horses are slaughtered ea yr for human consumption. Without a market for the meat, the slaughter houses don't have a reason to exist. This doesn't affect renderers, who take dead livestock and use their parts for other stuff. (But renderers don't slaughter live animals).
                  As county has pointed out on other threads, the horse slaughter industry is driven by demand for horse meat for overseas human consumption, not because there are too many horses.
                  It is not cost effective to try to get around the laws and transport to Canada or MX. There are too many drawbacks (See prev slaughter threads).

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                  • #49
                    Just an observation - only a handful of senators east of the Mississippi voted "nay".

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                    • #50
                      My senators from PA voted YES! Thank you Sentators Spector and Santorum

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                      • #51
                        Question:

                        Since all 3 of the slaughter plants are foreign owned, what would stop the country owning the plant from putting in their own inspectors (for example, the USDA equivilant for Holland). Can this be done? Is it legal?
                        "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" Richard Bach

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                        • #52
                          Not to rain on your parade.....If they find some way to find another market for this meat...

                          Does this mean that they can slaughter in these plants without vet inspection? As in, no-one to make sure it's humane?

                          What now, will happen to all of these horses that no-one wants? Obviously, there are lots of them...they aren't all feral or whatever.

                          I'm not in foavour of horse slaughter, per se....I'm just wondered, realistically, what now for these animals?

                          Cinder

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                          • #53
                            I doubt that the US would allow foreign inspectors to do the job on our soil. I don't see how that can be legal anymore than we could go onto their soil as officials. Government agents of any kind have to work under the guidance of their host country and that would still require our goverment to oversee them in some capacity.

                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calhoun:
                            Question:

                            Since all 3 of the slaughter plants are foreign owned, what would stop the country owning the plant from putting in their own inspectors (for example, the USDA equivilant for Holland). Can this be done? Is it legal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                            • #54
                              Both senators from Wa State voted yes and I also heard Boxer from Ca vote "yes" too! We're not all backwards out west!

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                              • #55
                                I'm glad you don't support horseslaughter, it's horrible end to a beautiful animal.

                                I think this means that those horses who were once cruelly slaughtered will now have to either be humanely euthanized if the need to be and those that were stolen will be safer.

                                That leaves less horses that actually need homes and the horse community and related businesses will need to step up as does the pet owner who no longer wants any pet. Once you take on the responsibility of owning a domestic animal you are resposible for their life. I think we've always needed to require that this is a committment. For those few animals that would fall through the cracks we have shelters and sanctuaries.


                                It's an American disgrace that in this wealthy and just country that our animals are too often considered disposable. We must shut down puppy mills and the overbreeding of all companion animals, including horses. It's a matter of holding people personally accountable for their actions.

                                If we have the will to do this it will happen. This starts on the local level, educating the public is the first step. The animal cop shows are a good start, their very popular. Now we need to educate people about the other causes of animal abuse and neglect.
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cinder88:
                                Not to rain on your parade.....If they find some way to find another market for this meat...

                                Does this mean that they can slaughter in these plants without vet inspection? As in, no-one to make sure it's humane?

                                What now, will happen to all of these horses that no-one wants? Obviously, there are lots of them...they aren't all feral or whatever.

                                I'm not in foavour of horse slaughter, per se....I'm just wondered, realistically, what now for these animals?

                                Cinder </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                • #56
                                  OMIGOD! I CAME IN WORK THIS A.M., CHECKED MY E-MAIL, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! I DID NOT THINK IT WOULD PASS! WOW! Poopoo on my senators Talent and Bond! who voted Nay. I'm going to write them about that. Just seems like the money could be better spent, i.e., Hurricane victims, federal deficit.


                                  WOW!

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                                  • #57
                                    Good idea, tell them they work for you. They should be weary of their next election and get your friends and neighbor to tell them too. Let's watch them squirm.


                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nettiemaria:
                                    OMIGOD! I CAME IN WORK THIS A.M., CHECKED MY E-MAIL, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! I DID NOT THINK IT WOULD PASS! WOW! Poopoo on my senators Talent and Bond! who voted Nay. I'm going to write them about that. Just seems like the money could be better spent, i.e., Hurricane victims, federal deficit.


                                    WOW! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                    • #58
                                      I'M STILL FREAKING!!!!!!!! OMIGOD.

                                      I think I'm going to ride my horse straight up to their office in St. Louis, and ask them why they would allow such a horrid death of such a beautiful creature. Really, I'm gonna do it!

                                      I'm also going to send ANOTHER letter in to the paper, hopefully this one won't be poo-pooed on by AN ANTI-ABORTION ACTIVIST!!!!!!! And tell everyone. Yeah! Yeah!!! Yeah!!!!

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                                      • #59
                                        Why would you think evereyone in any state is pro slaughter? Thats not a real bright assuption I think even you would have to admit that if your honest about it.

                                        Now will the oplants actually quit operating Oct 1 is the next question.
                                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                        • #60
                                          I'm prolife and don't want to see these two issues mixed. There are people on both sides of the abortion issue who are against horseslaughter. I think we should stay away from other issues if we are going to see this through successfully or someone will be put off. Let's remember that we all have our right to our opinions and this is a single issue discussion.


                                          We can agree and celebrate the ending of horse slaughter, can't we? I hope so.



                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nettiemaria:
                                          I'M STILL FREAKING!!!!!!!! OMIGOD.

                                          I think I'm going to ride my horse straight up to their office in St. Louis, and ask them why they would allow such a horrid death of such a beautiful creature. Really, I'm gonna do it!

                                          I'm also going to send ANOTHER letter in to the paper, hopefully this one won't be poo-pooed on by AN ANTI-ABORTION ACTIVIST!!!!!!! And tell everyone. Yeah! Yeah!!! Yeah!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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