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  • #201
    If someone has no clue then IMO they have no business selling at an auction. I beleive taking responsability is the term I see here so often.
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • #202
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
      Yep most culls go to slaughter plants I haul my cattle directly to one. Horses I sell as riders if there broke if not to a horse auction. Where they go from there all depends on who pays the most and what they want them for. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Just as "one man's trash is another man's treasure" ot "beauty is seen in the eye of the beholder", there are a lot of "culls" that would be another persons wonderful riding horse. I saw many loose horses go through with saddle marks, new shoes and i walked in their pens and had many beautiful gentle souls come up for a pet or scratch. I think the only thing wrong with the biggest part of them was they had an owner who did not give a rats ass what happened to them and just wanted the money. Nice thing about the Billings auction is they turn away lame, blind, skinny horses so that sure was not the excuse.

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      • #203
        County, I guess that's like saying, someone using a computer for the first time, should be totally computer literate before they get on. Hmmmm
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        • #204
          The first people I would vote off would be about 50% (including myself) and EVERYONE here at work!

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          • #205
            Ya Corsica doesn't take cripples either. I'm always amazed at the number of people that think its wrong to give a horse or any animal a chance at a good life. I always look at it from the horses perspective and not a human emotion one. I think if the horses I've bought over the years that were starved, neglected whatever term is the PC one could talk. They say take me home and feed me, fix me up and I'll take my chances getting a home. Their other option is to stand where they are and have a long slow painful death.

            To me its much like if you went into a POW camp in Viet Nam and gave the prisoners a choice. stay here or we'll open the gates and you guys take a chance on freedom and survivial. Some of you will no doubt be killed most will live and return to good health.

            What choice would each of you make? I know for me its not even a question.
            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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            • #206
              Depends on if you think a horse and a computer are basically the same thing. Personally I place living creatures over machines.
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • #207
                I suppose for it to be fair, the auction yards should have a disclaimer telling people that their pet may be going to a killer buyer. But it doesn't work that way. I called ahead to my local auction to find out if there were going to be killer buyers bidding and the owner told me they didn't have killer buyers there, ever. I found out later that that's where a lot of the feedlot horses were coming from. So in order for people to know what they're doing, they'd have to go to great lengths, like we do, to find out what's what. And since the majority of the people I have spoken with about this in the last two years didn't even realize horses are sold for meat...well, there ya go. They wouldn't even know to ask, would they?
                DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                • #208
                  People would have to go to great lenghts to learn whats what in the world of a horse. As well they should, to do any less when having a child or animal IMO is a very poor way to go about having either.
                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                  • #209
                    County, that's an excellent analogy. What a horrible position to be in, though, for horse or human.

                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                    To me its much like if you went into a POW camp in Viet Nam and gave the prisoners a choice. stay here or we'll open the gates and you guys take a chance on freedom and survivial. Some of you will no doubt be killed most will live and return to good health.

                    What choice would each of you make? I know for me its not even a question. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                    • #210
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                      And your point would be? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      If you are talking to me the point is that you said I was making things up about you selling to slaughter, I am not, you do sell to slaughter. County I have no reason or need to lie or make things up. The truth is all I need. But I will admit that it does sent a fire under my butt when people do not speak the truth or twist things to try and fit their purpose or wiggle their way out of things. That's kind of childish, isn't it?

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                      • #211
                        I don't disagree with that. You're absolutely right.
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                        People would have to go to great lenghts to learn whats what in the world of a horse. As well they should, to do any less when having a child or animal IMO is a very poor way to go about having either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                        DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                        • #212
                          But its real life and thats where I live. Emotions don't do much for fixing up neglected livestock. Lots of sweat, grain, and hay do. To aquire them you have to sometimes get your hands dirty and do things that alot of other people don't like. Personally I'm not real worked up about what others don't like. They have the choice to actually do something, neglected livestock doesn't.

                          Like to see some of the cattle I've gotten? Makes most neglected horses look like Kentucky Derby horses
                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                          • #213
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                            Depends on if you think a horse and a computer are basically the same thing. Personally I place living creatures over machines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I wasn't comparing horses with computers, but the way an auction works with how to operate a computer. In either case you wouldn't expect a person to know how it works without educating themselves. Unfortunately they don't have instruction manuals on livestock auctions.

                            And yes, having signs at each auction where it applies would be GREAT! But we know that would never happen.
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                            • #214
                              terrygean if thats the way you look at it fine by me. I'm sure your in the camp that loves to point fingers but getting off you butt and doing anything positive is way to much work. But hey then what can one expect your not wealthy like me right? Plus it doesn't fit your agenda and God forbid that isn't front and center in your world.
                              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                              • #215
                                Your right theres no manual at a livestock auction. But if people take responsabilty for their livestock they would never sell or buy at one till they got educated on how they operate. Anything less is doing a poor job of care taking for the animal IMO.
                                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                • #216
                                  I suppose if we walked up and down in front carrying a sign, we'd get a polite escort off the property?

                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvmytbs:

                                  And yes, having signs at each auction where it applies would be GREAT! But we know that would never happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                  DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                                  • #217
                                    The point that has been made here many of times over and over, is that most people, myself included until a couple of years ago, have NO clue that horses are going to slaughter, no clue that an auction is more then private parties selling their riding horses to another private party as a riding horse. If you don't know it exists, how can you research it?
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                                    • #218
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lildunhorse:
                                      I suppose if we walked up and down in front carrying a sign, we'd get a polite escort off the property?

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                                      I doubt it would be polite, LOL.
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                                      • #219
                                        Why would you carry a sign? I know many many horse auctions accross the country if you want to learn how to buy and sell at one the owners are more then happy to steer you in the right direction to learn.

                                        If most people made the choice not to leasrn everything there is about horse auctions whose fault is that? They've been around many years before any of us have. Why they made the choice only they can say
                                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                        • #220
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                                          terrygean if thats the way you look at it fine by me. I'm sure your in the camp that loves to point fingers but getting off you butt and doing anything positive is way to much work. But hey then what can one expect your not wealthy like me right? Plus it doesn't fit your agenda and God forbid that isn't front and center in your world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          What have you done to change laws to better life for animals? Oh but ending horse slaughter & enforcing DOT laws on ALL (small & large) trucks hauling livestock, and working to change my state abuse laws for livestock is the center of my world. It consumes all of my free time.
                                          Buy the way did you get a DOT # for your truck. Make sure to tell you friends to get one also. I want all of the small haulers to abide by the same laws that I have to. It's cheaper to get a DOT# than pay a fine if you don't have one. I think I will call MN. and see if they are enforcing the reg. up their.

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