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How many losses do you expect your prfessionals to take?

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
    Businesses tend to do best when they have like minded customers. While it may be cost effective to send your no longer usable horses to auction, I would not do business with that type of person. I have been in the horse business for 30 years and never once was associated with someone who treated their horses as garbage to be used up and tossed out. If that is your experience it is probably you seeking out like minded people.
    That's a lot of ridiculous. Few people treat horses like 'garbage' but plenty of people find themselves in situations where they need to unload a horse.

    From racing to cutting to lesson programs to private owners with unhappy spouses, plenty of people unload horses quickly when they need to. I don't know what kind of cloud your head is stuck in but I can guarantee you have 'done business' with people who have unloaded equines tout suite. Sounds like you are just unaware.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
      Only the bank and the IRS get to see the books...

      But yeah, I am trolling a little, leaving you guys hanging.
      I will explain later.
      I promise
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      • Original Poster

        Originally posted by Toadie's mom View Post
        Welllll dahling, I, for one, am on the edge of my seat
        then you should not fall asleep!


        • #64
          That's simple!

          It's whatever the amount is that they are willing to lose while continuing to remain in business.


          • #65
            I can't answer this question unless you specify over what time period.

            I expect that any professional will occasionally need to take a hit. Even large businesses have bad years. While some those hits may be because of the ethical standards they uphold, some of the hits may be due to the economy or bad luck or whatever else.

            That said, any professional or business has to have a long-term business plan that will enable said professional or business to make enough money to cover their costs and generate a profitability level that satisfies whoever it needs to satisfy. For a professional individual, that would mean enough money to maintain a standard of living with which they are comfortable.

            Anything else is unsustainable.

            Personally, I would and do choose to work with businesses that have ethical standards I am comfortable supporting. I would like to believe there are enough people who have such standards that there is a viable business plan for professionals who have ethical standards similar to my own.


            • #66
              So glad we all got a chance to weigh in on this important subject. Hope the Wall Street Journal will be publishing the results soon.
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              • #67
                Could you please define loss?

                What kind of loss would a vet incur? Their gas expense and disposables are not losses, they are built into the price of the service. Same deal when I have the farrier put glue-ons on -the price of the shoe is built in to the service.

                As for a "loss" of $500 when the vet sends a bill and gets stiffed? Doesn't happen in my program.

                You seem to have difficulty understanding the concept that SOME PEOPLE HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER at the end of the month. These individuals are, in turn, able to meet the three and low-four digit obligations they incur.

                Jesus, if I drove a new Lexus, had cable and a dogwalker, four horses, and lived in a $200k house, I would not have money left over and I would be stiffing service providers left and right. But I stick to only two horses, drive a used Benz and live in a little house with no cable, so I DO have money left over at the end of the month.

                Thus my vet and farrier get paid, and my saddle fitter gets to drive out and sell me a saddle, and my mostly retired competition horse who goes in the occasional beginner/intermediate lesson will live out the rest of his days with me. My horse bills are paid for in total by my part-time professional trainer activities, so yes, it is possible to arrange your equine business in such a way that one still makes money, even when paying for a retired horse every month, and to euthanize him when the time comes.


                Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                What I am asking is if you can afford to take losses to the tune of 1k.

                I did not say anything about horses, I just mentioned a few professions we deal with as horse owners.

                I think I left the feed store out.
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                • Original Poster

                  The Conclusion

                  It was a very interesting week. Pose a couple of questions and watch foam at the mouth....

                  Well, not part of any poll, it has become abundantly clear that civil discourse is pretty much DOA. I am no longer surprised that so many of my favorite people no longer participate in the discussion.

                  Alas, it was not even the point.

                  As to the question about whether a set amount is substantial to the individual (oh goody, I must have really struck a few funny bones) I do sometimes forget that I am not the measure of all things. It would be nice if a select few would remember that little pearl of hard earned wisdom: because your experience is X, it won't mean a thing for somebody on the other side of the country.

                  At least some meaningful discussion about euthanasia and cost developed, even though that was not the goal, it's a plus.

                  But it brings me to the above question:
                  What kind of losses do you expect a business to absorb.

                  naturally, the poll results reflect that logic that a business has to stay in the black to continue. (and for those who complained about the nuances of the poll, write your own, it is not as easy as it looks to be precise and not overlapping! )

                  However (and as usual the most vocal and unfriendly people) there have been a few people in the past who pretty much expect the vet to eat the cost of euthanasia, the BO of burial etc.

                  Not to mention that against all common sense some demand certain professionals in the horse industry to absorb all the cost and risks because they are engaged in an activity they do not approve of, in the gleeful hope these professionals go belly up, without regard for the services they do provide for the industry.

                  As I said, these past few days were enlightening, on so many levels. A little disappointing in spots, however not unexpectedly so. Sadly.

                  Thanks to all you level headed people, and bless the little hearts of the rest.


                  • #69
                    Nice try Alagirl, but I'm not buying it. The question itself makes no sense. A business is in business to make a profit. If their losses consistently exceed their profits, they will no longer be in business. However, their business model must include ethical and moral decisions, and not just theirs, but they must take into account the ethics and opinions of their customers.

                    For instance. I had to put down two of my horses this year. My vet was already out for one, but for the second it was an emergency. He found someone to cover him at the clinic and practically flew to my farm. He didn't charge me a farm call, just for the drugs. I could have easily afforded to pay for the farm call and exam...it was very generous of him to not charge it. I don't know if it's an established practice for just my vet or for the practice overall, but that's the type of "eat the loss" that builds goodwill.

                    In the same vein, the gymnastics center I ran would occasionally run into an unhappy customer. Rather than have them poison the atmosphere in the gym, if I was unable to solve their problem, I would offer a full refund. Yes, we ate the loss, but overall it was better for the business to purge the unhappy customer.

                    As far as ethical and moral, the collie rescue I used to volunteer for is a perfect example. Most of their rescues were older dogs and the adoption fees didn't begin to cover their costs. At some point, the director decided it would be a wise move to buy puppies from backyard breeders and the Amish and pass them off as rescues. I fought the decision and resigned in protest...since then they've continued to buy puppies. They justify it by saying the adoption fees they receive for the puppies helps pay for the older dogs. I say it's selling puppy mill dogs, not rescue. Sooner or later it's going to bite them in the butt. It's not ethical or moral and the public will not support it if and when they find out. They should take the loss on the old dogs and continue to fund raise to help those dogs actually in need of rescue.


                    • #70
                      As far as civil discourse, pot meet kettle:

                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      The ongoing asinine 'discussion' on slaughter, how 'evil' people are to let a horse go for a few bucks, knowing that they will go 'down the pipeline'
                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      The asinine merry-go-round musical chair discussions of slaughter might have inspired my question, but it certainly not at the heart of it.
                      Note: Because you disagree with someone does not make their comments asinine.

                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      I know my fellow COTHers. They cannot follow instructions, cannot follow an argument if their life depended on it.
                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      Ok... since you really can't break free from the euthanasia...

                      you tripped and need a brace for your tailbone...

                      The clouds keep obstructing your sunlight for the grass and you need a cloud pusher.
                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      Then why do you post in a thread that asks this question?
                      It's not like I am asking for your tax return!
                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      Now, was this so heard?

                      Yes, I am trying to get a gauge on the financial means.
                      There are a lot of people who talk a good game but I suspect when the rubber meets the road they have a lot less to offer past their big words.
                      Just a sampling. Alagirl, I think you could stand some lessons in civil discourse. (And yes, that was a snarky comment I just made, and I think well deserved.)


                      • #71
                        Tidy Wabbit "hearts" Lauraky!

                        OP has no profession according to all of her 24000 something posts on coth, but we can hope that she is going into some profession soon so that she will be busy.


                        • #72
                          Failing to accept your construction of the question and the problem you think you are going to tell us how to solve does not constitute failing to be civil. Also, I heart LauraKY.
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                          • #73
                            How to make friends and influence people.

                            1.) Pose an asinine question, together with an equally asinine poll.
                            2.) Abuse respondents.
                            3.) Post an even more asinine conclusion.

                            Who's the loser ?
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                            • #74
                              I still guessing what the point is of this thread...

                              Does it have something to do with moral hazard?


                              • #75
                                Originally posted by alterhorse View Post
                                I still guessing what the point is of this thread...
                                I think the OP wanted a vague topic that could be contentious so they could tell everyone how stupid and mean they are. Nothing more.


                                • #76
                                  Same question for the OP as I asked on the other thread: So are you going to tell us what the point behind your self proclaimed trolling in these two threads?


                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                    I think the OP wanted a vague topic that could be contentious so they could tell everyone how stupid and mean we are. Nothing more.
                                    Sounds like the OP needs a hug.

                                    I'll give you a hug Alagirl ((((Hug))))

                                    Hope you feel better.


                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                      I think the OP wanted a vague topic that could be contentious so they could tell everyone how stupid and mean they are. Nothing more.
                                      Hey, man. It's for a paper she's writing.
                                      "Aye God, Woodrow..."


                                      • #79
                                        Ten minutes of my life that I will not get back.

                                        OP, if you really want to learn about planning for business profits and losses, take a course at your local community college. They have courses in spelling and grammar, too, ijs.
                                        "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller


                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Couture TB View Post
                                          Same question for the OP as I asked on the other thread: So are you going to tell us what the point behind your self proclaimed trolling in these two threads?
                                          LOL, I think the point was the trolling. And presumably the warm righteous feeling that came from writing that passive-aggressive "wah civil discourse" post that LauraKY so nicely rebutted.
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