• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Selling a horse to lesson barn?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Selling a horse to lesson barn?

    I think I am over-reacting, but I just gotta know....
    I have outgrown the horse I have had for over 6 years, so she is for sale. I was contacted by This Stable wondering if I would be interested in selling her to them. They want to take her on a 2 week trial, and if it works out, just keep her.
    I have always been really really resistant to sell a horse into a school string. She would only be used for beginner lessons (so no jumping). I just fear that whenever she doesn't earn her keep anymore they will ship her away. Maybe not, I know, but I have known some stables that have (By 'ship her away' I mean sell her to someone else or to slaughter/auction).

    Maybe I am over-reacting? Someone tell me there are lesson barns out there that keep their old geezers! I could get references, write a buy back into the contract, etc but we all know those arn't always binding.

  • #2
    It really depends on the program.

    The barn where I learned to ride still has its schoolies that I rode 20 some years ago. Two are in their 30s, two are late 20s. They are retired now and they have younger school horses but I always found it refreshing that they hung on to their horses and gave them the retirements they deserved.

    Those kinds of places may be few and far between but they are out there.

    Private owners are always nice, but who's to say the private owner won't just turn around and sell the horse anyway....
    We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.


    • #3
      Go with your gut. It seems to be saying "no way!!!" here...


      • #4
        Like others have said, it depends on the program. We have a pony that was used in the school pretty much her whole life (she is 40 now) and she still calls our barn home. We had a fundraiser for her which raised money to help with her expenses, along with a "Pennies for Ponies" bucket in the barn that we throw our spare change in-it adds up after a while! Can you find out what they have done with their older schoolies after they werent used in the program anymore? Or can you put in the contract that you have the first right of buyback when and if they go to sell?


        • Original Poster

          I have put a call into two of the people I know who know the 'insides' of the barn and am putting one into the barn itself tomorrow. Hopefully I can get a little more info from them. It just happened so fast, you know. Like 'Hey we want your horse. Can we take her tomorrow?'
          Uhm no.


          • #6
            Another vote for "it depends." I work part-time for a lady who has a few "unuseables" on her property and they aren't going anywhere. If a horse in her string can work, s/he does what s/he can. Most horses only work once a day, five days a week. Some may do a second lesson if one is an up-downer doing lots of walk and no jumping. They have a good life and she has plenty of family property on which to retire them when they can no longer work at all. Other operations may not have that luxury. Still others may not care to try on-site retirement for their oldies; these may have various plans for what they do with a no-longer-workable horse.

            When you sell your horse, you have to accept that he might be sold on again, perhaps repeatedly. That's a risk whether you sell to a lesson barn or a private owner. You can try to add a right-of-first-refusal clause to your sales contract, but there is no guarantee that will be honored.

            My advice would be to go ahead with the research you have planned, find out all you can about how the lesson horses live day-to-day and how their retirement is handled. If you are comfortable with it, great. If you are not, also great. I will strongly advise against allowing a trial, though. If you do a search here, you will find copious arguments against that practice. (From a buyer's perspective, I think it's a nice idea; but from a seller's, I wouldn't do it and fully understand and respect other sellers who say "no trials.")
            Equinox Equine Massage

            In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was in me invincible summer.
            -Albert Camus


            • #7
              I don't think you're over-reacting, but you have that "forever home" philosophy, which is way, way common here at COTH.

              I mean, you can't/won't provide this horse with a "forever home," but that's one of your requirements if you sell it to this lesson barn. As FlashGordon and coloredhorse have pointed out, even a sale to a private owner might result in the horse being sold. And sold again. So why would a lesson barn be any different? It goes without saying that sometimes neither private owners--such as yourself--nor lesson barns have the means to keep aged and/or retired horses. That's not a moral failing, although here at COTH it's treated as such.

              I'm not heartless, and I understand your attachment to your horse. But once you sell, you don't get a vote. So the best you can do is vet the prospective buyer, as it appears you're doing, and go with your gut.

              Good luck!
              Proud Member of the League of Weenie Eventers
              Proud Member of the Courageous Weenie Eventers Clique


              • #8
                If worse comes to worse and you are worried what will become of horse if it lost it's usefullness to the barn would be to put a right to first refusal in the contract so if they get rid of it they have to call you first.

                Lesson horses have to come from somewhere, and the ones at my barn are well taken care of. Vet the place out first if you can visit.. check out their schoolies.. get the opinions of local vets and farriers that's more than you can do in some private sale situations.
                ___._/> I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy every
                ____/ minute of it! Member stick horse art lovers
                ';;;;;;; clique
                //__\\<-- Don't feed the llama!


                • #9
                  we tried it with a hunter pony that had been out of work for a year - so she was a bit chubby and we thought it would get her in shape - a year lease with them also trying to sell her.

                  Very reputable bnt and while I am sure she was fine - it didn't work out as she was a bit too forward for the lesson program.

                  In any event she was so unhappy there - when we picked her up she practically ran into the trailer and was so happy to come home - Never again will I do that - she was only there 10 days and still when my son first got on her you could tell that she wasn't handled right.

                  She was so happy to see my son and so happy to come home I couldn't bear doing that again.

                  It's either sell or no sell - no offence to the bnt that had her but I just wouldn't do it again.


                  • #10
                    I have a lesson barn and when I die, I want to come back as one of my lesson horses. Really. They are the first to see the vet, farrier, and get more treats than my own horses and are fat, happy, and shiny. My point is just because it's a lesson barn doesn't mean that your horse won't be taken care of or discarded when it's no longer useful. I try to keep all of mine until the end or find them nice retirement homes where I can keep an eye on them. It really just depends upon the barn itself. So my advice is ask a lot of questions and investigate all you can. That way you'll feel better about your decision no matter what you choose.


                    • #11
                      If you are concerned, why not do a lease instead of sale? That way, if it doesn't work out down the road (or even short term) your horse can't be sold but will be returned to you. First right of refusal clauses in sale contracts don't seem to be worth much, but if you own the horse, that will be honored.
                      Mystic Owl Sporthorses


                      • #12

                        Another thing I've suggested before and it may stay with the horse and it may not, but have a name plate put on the horse's halter that has:

                        "HORSE'S NAME
                        When this horse is ready to retire
                        or has no home, call: 000-000-0000."

                        I know it may not stay with the horse but then again, if it's a nice halter and the farm doesn't have to buy another...
                        Sorry! But that barn smell is my aromatherapy!
                        One of our horsey bumper stickers! www.horsehollowpress.com
                        Add Very Funny Horse Bumper Stickers on facebook


                        • #13
                          What CarrieK said.

                          I baby my lesson horses. They are ONLY used under my supervision (and I am strict), so they get more correct riding than someone just off "doing their own thing" and not getting lessons.

                          I wouldn't be quick to say no a lesson barn. Show up and check out the place for yourself and see how the lesson horses look.


                          • #14
                            The other view

                            It all depends is right. My barn retires old schoolies and keeps them until a forever home is found, or the original owners reclaim their horses.

                            Recently an old retiree, (uncertain balance behind, constant foot issues) was returned to "concerned original owners". We found out that they kept the horse about two weeks and sold him on.................dang!!! he could have stayed at the barn! I am concerned because the school barn did not want to use him in lessons because of balance issues and the original owners sold him for what I dont know.

                            Sometimes the asshats are a real suprise!


                            • Original Poster

                              If you are concerned, why not do a lease instead of sale? That way, if it doesn't work out down the road (or even short term) your horse can't be sold but will be returned to you.
                              She has been leased out for 3 years now....I really need to sell her or else that is what I would do....


                              • #16
                                OUr barn takes insanely good care of our lessons horses but then agian, we just have a smaller side program. We have certain horses that only jump to a certain level and we try to alternate them around to have a month off in the back runs so they can rest. We have one horse right now that we don't feel is good for the program anymore so he'll go to just walk/trot lessons and a couple that goes for nothing but trail rides will take him on and he'll stay at our barn.

                                Go check it out and see what you think. If your gut still tells you no, then don't do it. Listen to your instincts.


                                • #17
                                  Find out more about the barn! I had a youngish gelding with arthritis in his hocks - he was much sounder when ridden most days - which I couldn't do at home. I sold him to a wonderful barn where he gets the best of everything - lightly ridden, all the latest injections for his arthritis etc. He looks fabulous, and she keeps them forever, even when retired. I couldn't be happier with the decision. He is the barn favorite, and seeing young kids, and older women ride him is heart warming.


                                  • #18
                                    The retired horses at my lesson barn are there for life. What's remarkable is there are several still happily working that are in their early 30s!


                                    • #19
                                      Too Stressful for Most Horses

                                      As someone who has rescued 2 horses from lesson programs dumping them for slaughter value, I would never knowingly sell mine into one. Most horses don't do well with so many different riders - it frys their brains. The work is hard, and it's about the rider, so the horses are not valued as individuals. Probably you know by now not to believe anything a horse trainer tells you unless you have seen it with your own eyes. Ask to meet their old lesson horses if they say they keep them. 8 of 10 barns can't produce those horses because they've been "auctioned".

                                      If a lesson barn is persuing him, he's right for a childrens hunter or a pony clubber, and you can get more money in that sale and have a shot at a "forever" home.

                                      Good luck with this.


                                      • #20
                                        There are lesson barns and then there are lesson barns.

                                        I know some where the horses are lightly worked, receive the best of care, and retire on the place. I know others that I'd shoot a horse before I'd sell it there. Is this place close enough to visit? If not, can they provide you with references?

                                        But I have to agree with some of the other posters - no matter whether you sell her to a lesson barn or a private individual, you lose control over what happens to her. Buy-back clauses are no guarantee.
                                        I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show