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    #41
    Originally posted by atr View Post
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    Your employer relies on you to do a job. It's your responsibility to make some kind of attempt to make sure you can do that job, so the company can continue to operate, make money, and make payroll, and you and your co-workers can continue to be employed.

    Everyone has accidents, illnesses, etc., and most decent employers will make the best accomodation they can for these situations.
    Yep. I agree. The thing is, I've taken one sick day in two years. Just one. Stomach flu or something. Unlike other workers who take days off whenever they feel like it. (One took two weeks vacation time, then just didn't come back in to work. In total, he had five weeks off. But he got away with it because he's very friendly with the boss, and is twice my age.)


    So, you have a "bad school." You take three falls. Not one, but three. What were you thinking? Did it not cross your mind that this might be a bad move when it came to paying the bills? I'd not be very thrilled if you worked for me.

    From where is your employer going to magic up this driver for you? Are you prepared to pay for the driver out of your salary or are youe expecting him to pay?
    I was thinking 'I must get her past this or she'll be twice as bad next time.' I can pay my bills- I have savings to fall back on if I really need them.

    Our company isn't small. It employs about 10,000 people. We have trainee reps who would benefit from these site visits. He'd rather just keep them on the phones.


    He hasn't budgeted for two people to be out doing this job. And in these economic times, he's probably sitting there going "oh crap, now what do we do?"
    See above.

    I'm not unsympathetic to your plight, really. I've hurt myself badly riding and had to suck it up and carry on, because someone's got to do the job so we all get to eat. I hope you feel better soon. It's really miserable when you have to work when you are in pain, self inflicted or not.
    Thanks. I've never said that I don't/not willing to do my job- I was just shocked by his attitude.
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    • #42
      Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
      That sounds like job discrimination and in the US could get a company in serious trouble. A riding related accident should be treated no differently then falling off an ATV or getting hurt playing basketball.

      Yes. I was going to say - so what would the reaction be if you had taken a fall with your bicycle, broken a leg skiing, tweaked a muscle sail-boarding, etc., etc., etc.? If one of his male employees got injured playing ....well, in the UK, soccer/rugby? -- in the US a pick-up basketball game, would the reaction be the same?

      I sympathize. I'm not black and blue all over - I just have a sore left a$$ cheek - doesn't hurt in a chair, but when I go to the loo......LOL Got on my baby yesterday morning, thought, "Hmm....I think I put the saddle a little too far forward..." and before I could complete that thought it was rodeo time. He went up a bit, I felt I was staying with him and would be able to drive him forward, and then my left stirrup/leather came completely off the saddle...oops! abandon ship! - no way I'm keeping my balance... and landed right on my a$$. He trotted about 20 feet away, with me cooing "Ho...ho...hooooo" and I just walked up to him, caught him, repositioned saddle and got on - no issues. Sigh. Mr. Sensitive!!

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      • #43
        I'm guessing that you're in sales. That's typically such high pressure that you may get a 15 minute break to give birth to your child and then back to the trenches. And the bosses feed this kind of mentality. Sorry, if you're going to stay in sales, then this is the kind of b-s you'll have to put up with. Just have your ducks in a row about the legalities and have everything in writing. Your co-worker blabbing can't hold water. You could just as easily said that co-worker misconstrued the story and boss couldn't do anything about it. You're going to have to constantly fight about time off and not working over time and such with a-holes like this.
        Even duct tape can't fix stupid

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        • #44
          Originally posted by kookicat View Post
          I was thinking 'I must get her past this or she'll be twice as bad next time.' I can pay my bills- I have savings to fall back on if I really need them.
          Next time, consider working her from the ground. Your boss sounds like a jerk, but you didn't use very good judgment. Your profile says you're 23, and you may feel you're immortal, but you're not.

          Good luck with healing up and dealing with your boss. But be more careful next time.
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          • #45
            Well, there's the ideal world and there's reality.

            I do not agree that the boss is an @ss. They are tasked with getting the job done, and in sales that means making or ideally exceeding the quota. If they are already shorthanded, you aren't going to get much sympathy for wanting accommodations for what could be seen as avoidable injury.

            Sales jobs tend to be all about performance, especially in this economy. If you can't be out and about, presenting the product or service - you aren't earning your keep. Harsh, but true. The most successful salespeople tend to put work first. They are fairly singleminded in their pursuit of that quota, and most sales managers know that. So, when they evaluate their teams... that is part of the equation. Just something to think about.

            You may think that the trainee salespeople would benefit from doing these site visits (and maybe they would, from a learning standpoint) but I bet your boss wants his most experienced folks out in the field trying to close business, particularly going into the final quarter of the year.

            And frankly, if the trainee turns out to be just as capable? You've potentially put your own job at risk - particularly if that trainee is super job-focused and willing to make work their top priority. (Translation: willing not to engage in pursuits like riding.)

            I'm sorry you got hurt and despite what I've written above, I believe everyone is entitled to PTO. If you are too sick/injured to do your job effectively, you should stay home and recuperate. But expecting your employer to underwrite your activities (send trainess, furnish you with a driver etc)... is, IMO, inappropriate.
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            • #46
              Originally posted by kookicat View Post
              have torn a couple of muscles in my back. That means driving is no fun. I have to drive to do parts of my job. I spoke to my boss and he wasn't happy with me. I have three site visits this week, all of them over an hour's drive away. Boss won't let anyone from the office come with me to drive, and have basically told me not to ride if it's going to affect my job. Just wondering if his attitude is usual for a sales/office job? (About riding injures anyway.)
              I think his attitude is usual for dicks with limited power. Your boss doesn't own you.

              And to the ponderous thoughts on struggling businesses whose steak/macaroni equation depends on everyone being healthy and accounted for every Monday morning. If a business is going to crash if one contractor goes to the hospital or one employee goes out for a family funeral, the business owner has to decide where to cut - is he going to allow the risk of this situation to recover and hope for the best? Or is he going to cut back, forfeit some profit and cover his risk better? Option #3, where the business owner makes it the responsibility of his workers to shore up his risk, is unacceptable. That's not their problem; they don't get the direct rewards, they shouldn't shoulder the direct risk.

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              • #47
                Your boss IS an a$$hole.

                Crap happens, whether on the back of a horse or not. Let's face it - someone could rear end you in the car while on business - by the same analogy, should you stop working because it would affect your working?

                It's one thing when an employee lies about being sick or malingers. This is something else.
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                • #48
                  After reading this thread, I suddenly realized how lucky I am. No one in my office is even 'remotely' horsey. I think they have a rough idea of what a horse looks like..but thats about it

                  Last spring my gelding decided to try to remove his leg from the forearm down, I took 3 days off work and several afternoons for vet visits. I told my boss what was happening, and got the arms flapping hand signal to 'get out of here and go do my thing.'

                  The next 3 weeks were full of concerned questions from every staff member about if my horse was going to be OK, due to my boss telling everyone about my poor horse.
                  Originally posted by ExJumper
                  Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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                  • #49
                    If your business depends on your employees having risk-free (and thereby sedentary) lives outside of work just so they don't get hurt once in awhile, then you're just an idiot - and doubtless your health insurance company won't be thanking you.

                    And, for those in the US who think this is just fine and dandy, understand that it is, in fact illegal (for a decent sized business/full-time employee). FMLA doesn't have an "except for people in risky sports" clause. You have to give people leave (not necessarily paid) and you have keep them employed without counting it against them in any way.
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                    • #50
                      Wow, I feel as blessed as Buddy Roo. My boss is very understanding about horse related time off for farrier and vet appointments, or late arrivals because of the rare 'surprise' at morning feeding time. Even the last boss was great the day I ran out of the office at 4 PM, basically only saying... "gotta go... my horses got out!" Of course it probably helps that I'm very good at my job and am also very up front from day 1 that my priorities are #1 Family, #2 Horses, and #3 Job.

                      Just to show how great my employers are... a few weeks ago I found an orpahned baby mouse on the back deck... my cat had obviously just killed and eaten its mother. Got to work late because I had to stop and buy kitten formula, brought the thing to work with me every day for a week.... and everyone in the office was on a mission to help me keep the little guy alive. And this in a very conservative int'l law firm. Unfortunately the little guy didn't make it, but for the 4 days he was in the office with me, he had quite the fan club.

                      Yep... blessed as Buddy Roo.
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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by Kementari View Post
                        (snip)

                        And, for those in the US who think this is just fine and dandy, understand that it is, in fact illegal (for a decent sized business/full-time employee). FMLA doesn't have an "except for people in risky sports" clause. You have to give people leave (not necessarily paid) and you have keep them employed without counting it against them in any way.
                        FMLA covers very specific situations. Here is the actual language of the act:

                        Covered employers must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period for one or more of the following reasons:
                        • for the birth and care of the newborn child of the employee;
                        • for placement with the employee of a son or daughter for adoption or foster care;
                        • to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
                        • to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition. (emphasis added.)
                        Please note that bumps and bruises, even broken bones, do not necessarily qualify for leave under FMLA. Employers often have to follow state regulations (11 states have such regs on the books) which often define "serious medical condition" somewhat differently. Here in CT, where I live and work, "serious medical condition" is defined as:

                        Illness, injury, impairment, or physical or mental condition involving incapacity or treatment connected with inpatient care in hospital, hospice, or residential medical-care facility; or, continuing treatment by a health care provider involving a period of incapacity: (1) requiring absence of more than 3 consecutive calendar days from work, school, or other activities; (2) due to a chronic or long-term condition for which treatment may be ineffective; (3) absences to receive multiple treatments (including recovery periods) for a condition that if left untreated likely would result in incapacity of more than 3 days; or (4) due to any incapacity related to pregnancy or for prenatal care.

                        You can find a comparison of different state regulations on the Department of Labor website (http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/state/fmla/index.htm)
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                        • #52
                          Actually - in the US, we have HIPPA - I forget the exact name - but along the lines of Health Information Privacy Act (you can google it if you need full info) -

                          SOOOOOOO what is your good buddy coworker doing discussing your PRIVATE life with your boss....

                          In England, I think that quite possibly the laws there regarding privacy are a bit more stringent than here.

                          Did your boss ask you if the information was true or did he simply take someone else's word for it? Furthermore, I doubt that there is any legal recourse to be taken against nosy coworker - but this is someone I would strongly avoid from here out.

                          We currently have a coworker out for some major unanticipated surgery - yes, it leaves us in a big bind but the surgery will hopefully save his life (the big C). He is the one who pretty much keeps place running and we are feeling the squeeze - although we are more than supportive (its like family here).

                          Perhaps - just perhaps - your boss is feeling really squeezed because you are the only one in your position he can rely on right now - is his attitude out of line - well, based on your description, yes. But he also has a business to run - and if you came off THREE times.... well, he may be thinking you're putting yourself at unnecessary risk..... and you know, not knowing more than I do in what I've read here - he may not be all wrong......

                          After all, he has deadlines and obligations, too.

                          And as much as I love my horses, I am quite aware that my job pays for my lifestyle.

                          Just a different perspective -
                          Originally posted by SmartAlex

                          Give it up. Many of us CoTHers are trapped at a computer all day with no way out, and we hunt in packs. So far it as all been in good fun. You should be thankful for that.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by kookicat View Post
                            He knows that I'm happy to work as best I can. I was just shocked by his attitude that my job should come before everything else in my life. Dosen't work like that for me.
                            Next time that conversation comes up tell him "I work to live, not live to work, but I give it my all when I'm at work so what I do outside of work is no-ones business but my own". End of story.

                            If he's concerned about your work ethic (in general NOT when you're injured unless you are injured a lot of the time and it prevents your doing your job) then that would be a valid concern - your being injured by a horse has nothing to do with the job.

                            I guess he doesn't want you driving a car either since you could get injured in a car accident.
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                            • #54
                              Sorry, I neglected to be clear on what I meant. The OP's situation may or may not qualify, were she to go to a doctor (well, we know it wouldn't, since she's not even in the US ), but I was thinking more along the lines of all the people saying that your boss has the right to be mad at you and refuse time off if you participate in/are injured in risky sports, period. THAT is, of course, patently untrue (well, I suppose your boss has the right to be MAD, of course, but not necessarily to do anything about it!) in many circumstances. Should an employee be seriously injured, it doesn't matter how or why: the requirements of FMLA apply.

                              Of course, your boss has the right (in the US) not to hire you because you ride (or rock climb or drive race cars or whatever), and they have the right to fire you for that, too, so long as it's not due to an actual [serious ] injury sustained. That legal fact doesn't, however, make such actions ethically right - or even a very intelligent business decision.
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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by oldenmare View Post
                                Actually - in the US, we have HIPPA - I forget the exact name - but along the lines of Health Information Privacy Act (you can google it if you need full info) -

                                SOOOOOOO what is your good buddy coworker doing discussing your PRIVATE life with your boss....
                                HIPAA (not HIPPA) is the health insurance portability and accountability act. There are provisions of HIPAA which prevent the unauthorized disclosure of personally identifiable health information. An example would be someone who works in your doctor's office looking up your pregnancy test results out of idle curiosity. HIPAA protections do not cover coworkers' general gossip about your private life.
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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
                                  I guess he doesn't want you driving a car either since you could get injured in a car accident.
                                  Only if the OP were driving a defective car and crashed it THREE TIMES IN ONE OUTING before thinking "maybe this isn't such a good idea."

                                  In a previous life, I managed a department of 70+ people at a big corporation. All I ever asked was that employees come in ready and able to the work they were paid to do. And that the two motocross racers use good judgment in the risks they took when we were really busy.
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                                  • #57
                                    Well, I see both sides here. I am a boss of several employees, and have my own bosses as well. I have been out twice for riding accidents. The first time I broke two ribs and punctured a lung, resulting in a 48 hour trauma hospital visit. I was back in the office working in less than two weeks after the accident. Hell, MY boss was on the phone with me on the way home from the followup visit wanting to know when I was coming back.

                                    That said, I also have one employee who has taken over 25 sick days this year for her daughter's surgery. The DAY she was to come back full time she stepped wrong at the gym and tore her knee to hell. Out another 8 weeks. Am I happy? Hell no. But she has a doctor note refusing to give clearance to work, and she has FMLA.

                                    Honestly, sometimes its the "well I can work but not all my duties" that can be a problem. If you hurt, must drive as part of your job, I would have been at the doctor's in a second getting a note to be out of work. I work in government and it is hard to ignore doctor's note. Hell, I know employees that had notes putting them out due to "stress" for months at a time...and getting paid for it. I realize it is different in the private sector - but in the US FMLA does have its protection - and kicks in after 3 days.

                                    And BTW, my bosses are understanding about horse emergencies. I always keep emergency time on the books and have no kids, so it is easy to use it when needed.

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                                    • #58
                                      I understand booboo's happen its part of life...but as a small business owner when you have deadlines and commitments as customers threatening to take the work elsewhere, well it gets old. We have a employee I have been very (overly) fair with. She has had 5 weeks of vacation, never offered to use any of them!, 6 weeks off for carpel tunnel, 4 weeks off for gall bladder surgery they didn't do and came in today with 6 weeks off for a hernia operation next week. All these are mandatory surgeries she has to have. She averages at least one surgery a year for the past 5 years, frankly she has to be running out of body parts to remove. She refuses to work overtime, she costs us and her 5 children (all in mental therapy) a fortune. Not counting extended medical leaves she has taken over 30 additional sick days off this year for coughs. She then asks about her yearly raise and was the first to sign up for our new 401K program because she doesn't want to miss out on us matching. This is the kind of person employer's have to put up with because skilled labor out there is hard to find and training is costly. If the work load was bigger I wouldn't hesitate to hire a replacement. I can't afford to hire someone for when she takes off. Her machine sits idle not making money and her fellow employees cover for her while I am forced to pay them over time so that the work gets out. They don't mind the overtime, but they also have lives.

                                      Not the OP is this bad, but this is what we DO have to put up with...

                                      I obviously am too nice of a person!
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                                      • #59
                                        My boss is great about horsie days off. He was totally understanding this summer when I asked if I could leave to go meet the vet. And I called in sick once (only time in my 2 years here) and left him a message that I had been in a riding accident that day (sunday) and wouldn't be in on Monday.

                                        He called me Monday morning to make sure I was ok, and to see if I needed anything. He said "never leave me a message like that again! I was picturing you in the hospital with a broken neck!!" I didn't point out that had that been the case...I wouldn't have been leaving a message...

                                        That being said, he has always told all of us "Don't tell me". If you want time off, or need a sick day, that's all you say. Don't give him a reason. Then it can look like they are being prejudiced. So moral of the story (and I know you were not the one that told him the source of the injury) they don't need to know. Cus he probably would have felt differently if you had told him you were mugged, or attacked in your home, and to be a goood supervisor, you cannot let emotion, etc. factor into your business decisions...so don't give them the opportunity
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                                          Wow, lots of replies. Thanks- I'll read through again and catch up.

                                          Well, today sucked. Lots of driving, sucky people, stress. Just a yucky day all round. I have one more site visit to do, and that's it. I can do the rest of my job from my desk. (Actually, I can work from home just as easily). Boss is still unhappy with me, even though I'm doing my job as best I can. I give up with him...

                                          One bright point of the day was walking out to the truck and seeing that my SO had bought me a heat thing to go on the seat. It's lovely!
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