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  • #21
    Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
    That sounds like job discrimination and in the US could get a company in serious trouble. A riding related accident should be treated no differently then falling off an ATV or getting hurt playing basketball.
    There's no law in the US that covers discriminating against equestrians.

    On the other hand, though, if the boss (in the US - I do not, of course, know the laws in England) is actually PREVENTING an employee who is sick/injured from taking leave, they would probably be in violation of the Family and Medical Leave Act - but then a doctor would need to be involved, and leave under FMLA doesn't have to be paid.
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    • #22
      Bottom line, your boss is an asshat.

      Period.

      Doesn't matter HOW you got hurt. You're hurt.

      I am really lucky I guess. When I Barbaro'd my arm last year (into lots of tiny pieces) I texted my boss from the ER. I sent him pics of the radiographs after the surgery 2 days later and he circulated them amongst my coworkers.

      He drove me to and from home a few days because I could not legally drive. Others offered to come mow my lawn, cook me dinner, and drive me around.

      I work in technology and being one handed for nearly a MONTH really put a strain on my work.

      They arranged for one of our lower level staff members to work with me 3 hours a day and type out memos, docs, and specs.

      They bent over BACKWARDS trying to help me.

      And I did my best to do get the work done.

      I guess I'm just really really blessed!

      I'm sorry you're hurt! Gentle hugs!
      A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

      Might be a reason, never an excuse...

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      • #23
        Well, I had to pass an FBI background check and take a POLYGRAPH to get the job, but I am not allowed to book out sick without a Dr's note, because, you know, I might *lie* about booking out sick.... so...



        I get a little touchy about the subject, because if you had a CHILD and the CHILD had issues, I bet your Boss would be ok. Mine is. Grrr.

        There are some practices/policies in my job which end up being very predjudicial against single people. If I could just lie about it being a KID, instead of a horse/riding injury/vet issue...

        But then I'm sure there are more polygraphs in my future if I stay in this line of work. Hopefully better bosses though.
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        • #24
          A long time ago I worked for a buttwipe who refused to approve my sick time when I called in the day after spending all night with my horse in colic surgery, getting home at 5A.
          My job at the time was software support and it seemed to me my judgement would be a little off from missing sleep.
          He claimed it was the horse who was sick, not me.
          That's what I got for being honest when I called off.
          Too bad for him HR approved the time off >: - P

          Now I work for great people. They don't have horses but are totally understanding if I need to take time off for something horsy.
          When I first moved my boys home they had no problem with me driving home on my lunch hour the first few weeks (10 min drive each way) to check on things.

          Your boss is an ass. Talk to your HR dept - I don't believe he can penalize you for an injury that is not work-related. Ask about FMLA time - maybe you can do office work until you're healed.

          And next time tell him you fell off a ladder/down stairs/off a cliff ...whatever.
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          • #25
            I will admit...one of the reasons I've stayed at the job I'm at, aside from my investment in the company, is that whenever I need..NEED...to take time off for the critters, they've been okay with it.

            When I was leasing land for my critters and doing it all myself, my boss would actually email me when the weather was coming in so I could run out and bring horses in.

            When I've needed to leave for the farrier, the vet, or whatever, it's been no problem.

            When my dog got sick and I had to go to another town 2 hours away to get the spinal tap done? No problem.

            But I will say that I have spent YEARS "training" my boss. Years. He's been properly indoctrinated into "the horse world now" and even asks me to ask questions for him on one of my horse boards relating to farm stuff since he bough his acreage. LOL He knows my "board buddies" by their screen names and he actually pays attention and ASKS about certain things.

            After the ESPN thing on eventing? He informed me that he does not want me jumping immoveable objects but will sponsor me in H/J stuff. LOL

            He now knows what Rolex is and accepts that the day I get back? I do no work. I work on making the Team Kemowasabi photo album and video.

            Man...I really AM lucky, eh?
            A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

            Might be a reason, never an excuse...

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            • #26
              My boss is an ex-farmboy who wanted to be a bronc rider in his younger days. He thinks about these things a little differently. My horse put me in the emergency room on Saturday a month after I started work. I showed up for work on Monday morning, arm in sling, grey faced, doped to the gills on Percoset. That pretty much clinched it. I'd passed the tough chick test. Nobody argues with me when I say I need time off now.

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              • #27
                Here's the small business owner's perspective... I doubt very much your employer is an asshat, I suspect he's just trying to keep the doors open.

                Bear in mind that I am a horse person. I have no great issue with folks having to leave to meet the vet/farrier/whatever, as long as I know what is going on, and they behave responsibly. Emergencies are emergencies, whether they involve dogs, cats, horses, children, personal medical problems, exploding water tanks or whatever, so they have to get dealt with, which is fine.

                We try very hard to be good, flexible employers.

                Having said that, we are a small company. Everyone has their purpose. We don't carry extra personnel. We can't afford too, and we'd rather pay the good people we have well.

                What this means is that employing people who indulge in potentially dangerous sports is an issue. I had an installer off for a couple of months with knee surgery last year. He'd done it playing football. For a company of our size, this presents a serious problem. We can't just take someone on to replace him, and then drop them or him later. That would be henious. So we suck it up, everyone has to work harder, we can do less work in a week, our workshop is less productive, everyone makes less money, I don't cash my salary check so we can make up the shortfall and we, the fat-cat employers, live on macaroni, because he did something unfortunate in a recreational activity.

                Your employer relies on you to do a job. It's your responsibility to make some kind of attempt to make sure you can do that job, so the company can continue to operate, make money, and make payroll, and you and your co-workers can continue to be employed.

                Everyone has accidents, illnesses, etc., and most decent employers will make the best accomodation they can for these situations.

                So, you have a "bad school." You take three falls. Not one, but three. What were you thinking? Did it not cross your mind that this might be a bad move when it came to paying the bills? I'd not be very thrilled if you worked for me.

                From where is your employer going to magic up this driver for you? Are you prepared to pay for the driver out of your salary or are youe expecting him to pay?

                He hasn't budgeted for two people to be out doing this job. And in these economic times, he's probably sitting there going "oh crap, now what do we do?"

                I'm not unsympathetic to your plight, really. I've hurt myself badly riding and had to suck it up and carry on, because someone's got to do the job so we all get to eat. I hope you feel better soon. It's really miserable when you have to work when you are in pain, self inflicted or not.

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                • #28
                  If you consider the fact that all she is asking for is a litle help. She's hurting. She could be a weasel and go to work and gotten hurt on the job "accidently" in some very inventive way. Then she get time off and paid for it.
                  One keeps good help by treating them well. You'd rather have them work harder than replace one person for a few weeks. And paythem well although not be willing for them to have a life of their own. If this were a ruptured apendix. she'd not be in this situation. Treat them like humans that are entitled to live their lfe away from work. Sometimes sickness or injury happen.
                  I once saw a guy getting on a horse that really ony I somehow managed to get along with. He was a very inventive horse. I promise he never used the same move to drop every rider he ever had. Anyway, this colt dropped the guy 3 times in under 5 minutes. No word of a lie. Crap happens. This horse was particularly dirty and not only dropped his riders, but went after them once on the ground. Nice horsie!

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by StruckByLightning View Post
                    Ok, I'm in the minority here but personally I think ANY boss, no matter how nice, is going to be upset when an employee hurts themselves enough that they can't work, ESPECIALLY when the company is already short handed. Doesn't really matter if you did it riding, skiing, playing baseball, or tripping on the dog. Bottom line is that you aren't doing the job he hired you for & now he's up a creek. It doesn't sound like he's threatening to fire you...just that he's not happy about the situation. Why would anyone be happy about it? (well, ok, I admit it...there's one guy at work the boss & the rest of us would jump up & down for joy if he broke himself just enough not to be able to work and extra shifts be damned). If he sends a driver with you, he has to pay that person PLUS their 'normal' work isn't getting done. Not exactly a win/win for him.
                    OK I'm a former boss, now retired, but an employee's inability to do the scheduled work caused by weekend activities is a problem for the boss. bosses like to divest problems.
                    bosses have as little sympathy as the ones above them [and that may be a very unsympathetic customer] the choices are yours. a better work culture elsewhere, medical time off where you are at, or get your own driver and get the work done.
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                    • #30
                      I know there isn't such thing as a law saying you can't discriminate against equestrians

                      My point is that if you injured yourself playing basketball the issue wouldn't be the same.

                      So should your boss see that you're a woman and not hire you just in case you get pregnant and have to take a leave? That's the same thing as having problems with someone riding because they might get injured, or having problems with someone who has a kid because the kid might get sick.
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                      • #31
                        Just a bit of practical advice to get you through the driving (besides the more comfy and roomy truck and getting out frequently to stretch). Those heating pads (thermacare) are wonderful, and have saved my twisted back many a time. I stick one on and I'm, while possibly not blissful, at least better than I was. And regular antinflammatories, if you can't take the muscle relaxants, can help too. Think Advil, not Tylenol.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by kookicat View Post
                          Sick time- can't use that as I'm the only rep actually at work. The other two are sick/on vacation. :
                          Okay... so your coworkers are allowed to get sick, and have recreation as they please, but it's not okay for you?

                          Hmmmmm....

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by kookicat View Post
                            Just wondering if his attitude is usual for a sales/office job? (About riding injures anyway.)
                            I guess I'm lucky, as I work at a feed store. Not lucky in the fact that EVERYONE here laughs at me as I hobble around...including my customers!
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by TropicalStorm View Post
                              I've actually encountered both types of bosses.
                              I remember one boss (the ass) was completely unreasonable about anything-heaven forbid that I try to explain that I had to leave for an emergency vet visit! He even went so far as to say: jeeze, you're supposed to stay on the horse. if you can't ride well, you shouldn't be riding. (makes you think that i had a fall a week here? when in fact it was 2 falls in 11 months)
                              it got to the point that i never mentioned anything. if i got hurt, i took time off or got a doctor's note. if I had to leave suddenly, it was a "family emergency". realistically, its no one elses business.

                              oin the flip side of that, I have had a few bosses who have been fantastic and supportive, and i haven't had any problems telling them that ive been hurt or need to leave.
                              My boss is a b*#ch when it comes to horse related days off. Be it farrier, vet or a fall, she harbours ill feelings about it. Last March I missed three days due to the emergency and subsequent death of my beloved 2 year old, Lucy. Boss lady is still moaning about it!!! All this being said, the days I have missed have ALL been vacation, personal days, or sick days. I have never taken an un earned day off due to my horses.
                              Now, I'm smart, I keep my mouth shut and say..."persoanl reasons" whenever I am asked why I want the day off. It's none of her business and she is not technically "allowed" to ask me why I need the day off. I also try not to discuss my horse related issues with coworkers, as they may spill be beans.
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                              • #35
                                I'm fortunate in that even though I work for a small company, I have a very understanding boss. I broke a vertebra in my back last year, spent 2 weeks in the hospital and could not work at all for over a month. Then I could only work half days for two more months. They weren't happy about my absence but I'd been with the company for 8 years and had made them a lot of money, so they put up with it, and still kept me on payroll during that time. I realize that I'm very, very lucky and I appreciated their kindness. The owner's wife rides so I think he's a little more understanding than most bosses would've been. .

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                                • #36
                                  Well, injuries do affect an employer & asking them to have sympathy when you have injured yourself in a high-risk recreational activity probably isn't going to work.

                                  I had a boss once who was a *very* good boxer - did it on the weekends, competed, etc. However, he came into the office fairly regularly with bruises, black eyes, etc. The job was a sales-based one & eventually the exec committee told him he could choose job or boxing. Was it fair? Maybe not. But their point was that he was engaged in a hobby that had negative repercussions in his work life & thus affected them.

                                  To the OP, I hope you feel better soon.
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                                  • #37
                                    Your employer relies on you to do a job. It's your responsibility to make some kind of attempt to make sure you can do that job, so the company can continue to operate, make money, and make payroll, and you and your co-workers can continue to be employed.

                                    Everyone has accidents, illnesses, etc., and most decent employers will make the best accomodation they can for these situations.
                                    Assuming that the OP rarely takes time off frivolously whatsoever, as you said, most decent employers will make the best accomodation that they can for these situations. Secondly, as you also said, everyone has accidents, illnesses, etc. Your "friendly" coworker should've kept her mouth shut. It doesn't matter how you were hurt, only THAT you were hurt.

                                    Frankly, a business needs to plan for these sort of things, because accidents happen, and this should be absolutely no different than a car accident. Is he going to tell her not to drive?

                                    If a business goes under because a hurt employee takes a sick day, they SERIOUSLY need to readdress their business plan.

                                    Furthermore, it makes absolutely no sense for a business to deny sick leave to one employee and not to other employees assuming they're under the same benefits package.

                                    While I ordinarily would see it from the employer's perspective, I would implore that the arbitrary treatment of the OP sort of negates my sympathy in that regard - others can have sick leave, but you can't? That doesn't seem fair. That combined with telling her what to do in her personal life (assuming she doesn't come into work with riding-related injuries on a consistent basis) - well, I second those who said your boss sounds like an asshat.
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                                    • #38
                                      It makes perfect sense to deny them to one employee if they are the ONLY employee left. Is it ideal? hell no, but looking at it from the boss' POV what choice does he have in reality. Sure if she broke something then he would be screwed, but now he isnt, it may be uncomfortable for her but she can still do the job that he NEEDS done.

                                      Its a shitty situation overall, but I think most people are up in arms about his comment about riding horses not the fact that he cant spare her.
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                                      • #39
                                        I just quit my job and found a new one for similar issues (there was other stuff as well of course). I had a bad ankle injury before I started working there and during the interview they were made fully aware of the disability it caused me. It was never brought up how the injury happened (horse related) as it was two years prior. While working for the company I needed two additional surgeries on the ankle. I gave them two months notice for each one, found other employees to fill my shifts and had the medical leave approved by HR. Yet I was brought into a meeting and they went on and on about how my riding was a problem and if I wasn't riding anymore I probably wouldn't need these surgeries and I should just deal with the pain since they were accomodating and I didn't need to be on my feet at work (because, ya know, a pin coming out of your bone doesn't hurt when you're sitting?). Then about 9 months after the last surgery I had a bad fall and sprained my neck and had a concussion. I went to work that day because I knew calling in would get me in a world of trouble, but after getting there I began to experience blurred vision and my motor skills were all messed up so I called in a friend/fellow supervisor and went to the ER. The next day back at work I was told I would be fired if they found out I was riding on days when I had to work (I rode in the mornings, worked afternoon/evening). I finally started looking for a new job and was able to quit shortly after that incident, but it was really BS.
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                                        • #40
                                          I'd say it's a trade-off. Yes, occasionally one gets hurt riding horses. OTOH, horseback riders, like any athlete, are more likely to take good care of themselves in other ways - watching their weight; not smoking; getting fresh air and exercise - and so might use less sick leave on average than a more sedentary type.

                                          So unless your boss is going to regulate other "dangerous" activities - one too many at the pub; too many nights spent eating Cheetoes and watching TV - I think he's out of bounds to tell you not to ride because it affects your job.

                                          I used to encounter a lot of eye-rolling from employers when I had to take time off for the horses, but I solved that - I went to work for myself.
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