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Chain-Over the nose, or under the chin?

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  • Chain-Over the nose, or under the chin?

    Got into a little debate about this subject with someone, and it got me curious about what other people do, and why they may do it differently.

    I've always been told to put a chain over the nose, because under the chin would have a greater chance to cause a horse to rear and go over backwards.

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    Either can cause a horse to rear. IMO I try to solve the problem without the chain, if at all possible. I have seen horses rear up and over in a reaction to shanking, and it's not pretty. When I used to use the chain, it was over the nose at or around where the halter band goes.
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    • #3
      If needed, I've always put the chain over the nose, through the noseband holes. I don't really like to, and don't do it often, but I have if the horse is being an utter beast. When I had to handwalk my horse for almost a month due to an injury, it started to resemble walking a freight train on a lead rope. In a case like that, I'll put the chain over the nose. I do not, have not, and will not jerk hard on the chain though. Just having it there is usually enough, no need to jerk on it.

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      • #4
        Depends on the horse, some will tolerate either way, others one way only. My personal preference is neitherm but always use a chain lead. That said, an odd aside from my distant past - I was still grooming at the tiime, and the trainer had a 3you colt that you could lead with a string, but that wasn't allowed. He hated a lead shank unless it was chain, and it had to be in his mouth - he would suck up a 24" chain and follow to the paddock like a puppy. If you didn't remember to run the chain through his mouth, he would fuss and grab until he had that chain. He also would suck up 4' of cross tie chain if he was feeling nervous or stressed. He never needed the chain for anything but a soother....have no idea where he picked that up, but he loved his chain so much we gave him his own so he woulldnt pull on the cross-ties. We also had a horse that watched tv....race horses have weird habits.
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        • #5
          I always put the chain over the nose, I've never heard of it being done under. Just curious, for those of you who say you never use a chain what's your reason for this?

          I always put the chain on my jumper at shows, he's not dangerous just a big horse and if something spooks him I like to have the control I need. I'll also put it over if it's a really long chain just so I don't have to hold the chain and have it rubbing my hands.
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          • #6
            Since switching to rope halters, I can't tell you the last time I used a chain. But my first horse was pre-rope-halter and I used to put it over his nose. But I'd wrap it around the noseband of the halter so it didn't hit his nose with just pressure on the lead rope -- he had to be a serious bad-ass before it made contact. And that really never happened -- just the wrapping exercise made him get a look like "ruh roh... busted" and he never tested it.

            Later I heard that the position should be based on the behavior you're trying to avoid. That's all I heard so I'm just guessing how it would work: bolters/rearers over the nose, backers/balkers under the chin? I dunno.
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            • #7
              I have always put it over the nose. I have had one where I had to put it under his chin, but for the most, it's over the nose.
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              • #8
                I've never seen anyone put a chain under the chin. Since I have no experience with it I would never do it.

                At home none of my horses need a chain. At a show I put the chain over my stallions nose "just in case". Have never needed it but I like to know I have that extra bit of control.
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                • #9
                  I've only used a chain over the nose. It's quite effective.

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                  • #10
                    I've always done over the nose, just how I was taught. I did work at a place where the stallions were done in the mouth for breeding, under the chin for not breeding, the idea being that they could tell which job to expect based on the chain position. Don't know if that actually worked, but it seems plausible.

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                    • #11
                      I had a horse that a bit of an issue with running away while being walked or hand grazed. I put the chain over the nose and it seemed to fix the problem pretty fast.
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                      • #12
                        I always put it under the chin if I need to use a chain. I worked for a vet who also breeds Arabs for a long time- she would never let us use a chain over the nose on any of them and the more I got used to the under the chin- the more I liked it. Most of the time I really don't think that the over the nose does much of anything.

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                        • #13
                          over the nose, unless your goal is to have him rearing all the time.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sk_pacer View Post
                            Depends on the horse, some will tolerate either way, others one way only. My personal preference is neitherm but always use a chain lead. That said, an odd aside from my distant past - I was still grooming at the tiime, and the trainer had a 3you colt that you could lead with a string, but that wasn't allowed. He hated a lead shank unless it was chain, and it had to be in his mouth - he would suck up a 24" chain and follow to the paddock like a puppy. If you didn't remember to run the chain through his mouth, he would fuss and grab until he had that chain. He also would suck up 4' of cross tie chain if he was feeling nervous or stressed. He never needed the chain for anything but a soother....have no idea where he picked that up, but he loved his chain so much we gave him his own so he woulldnt pull on the cross-ties. We also had a horse that watched tv....race horses have weird habits.
                            I have an Arab filly that always wants the lead as her pacifier. It gets a little embarrassing in halter classes when she's trying to grab the lead. She just feels a whole lot calmer with the lead pacifier. Don't know what started her on this either but she's done since weaning.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EatinHay View Post
                              I have an Arab filly that always wants the lead as her pacifier. It gets a little embarrassing in halter classes when she's trying to grab the lead. She just feels a whole lot calmer with the lead pacifier. Don't know what started her on this either but she's done since weaning.
                              Now I don't feel so bad...at least I didnt have an audience to see the chain grabbing antics and of course without an audience, I could stick the chain in his mouth and let him have his way. Looking pretty and standing perfectly still are not requirements in the paddock.

                              They sure pick up some odd habits though.
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                              • #16
                                I always put it over the nose. [None of my horses need a chain, but when I was handwalking a laid-up warmblood, he definitely needed it.]
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                                • #17
                                  I never much understood the concept of putting the chain under the chin. Usually when I need a chain it's because the horse is trying to walk too fast then myself. So if I put the chain over their nose and continue walking at my pace when the horse goes to rush forward they jab themselves in the nose and seem to automatically slow down. I mean with the chain on the nose it's kind of common sense. All putting it under the chin seems to result in is them throwing their heads up or lifting front legs off the ground.

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                                  • #18
                                    Over the nose if it's just for a reminder. Under the chin if I think I will actually need it.

                                    A horse wouldn't rear from it under the chin as it's pulls the nose band down when it tightens.

                                    Reasons

                                    Would rather use chain over bone than cartalige.

                                    I find the chain releases much faster used under the chin.

                                    Mostly the first reason though. As an aside I did spend time in the Arab world but I do not remember once needing a chain on an Arab even on a stud.

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                                    • #19
                                      the only people I see putting it under the chin are western people that have halter horses because it raises the head up.

                                      I think there is nothing better then a chain for getting a point across because I can tighten or loosen a chain link by link instantly.
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                                      • #20
                                        I'm not a big fan of the folks who say "oh I'd NEVER use a chain, they're horrible" etc etc etc. I've been DRAGGED by horses with a chain over the nose. I'm not talking about just pulling on me a bit, I'm talking about my heels DUG into the ground and the horse dragging me a good 20 feet. So ya know what, it can't be THAT bad, if they're willing to put a 110 lb girl's entire body weight into that chain!

                                        That being said, never used it under the chin myself as I do think it gives more chance of rearing. If you're using it for halter or showmanship that's fine, but if you're using it to try and contain a psychonutball, then I prefer over the nose.
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