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  • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
    And this has "what" to do with North American slaughter?
    Spreading yourself thin there Fairfax?
    Can't figure out which thread you're on?
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    • Originally posted by rmh_rider View Post
      Now horse has been found in Taco Bell meat in Europe.
      This has NOTHING to do with the North America slaughter issue. This is an EU problem with either disclosure or labelling. North American equine meat is labelled as that..northing more and nothing less.
      The Elephant in the room

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      • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
        Spreading yourself thin there Fairfax?
        Can't figure out which thread you're on?
        Nah..I am going to just stay with two threads. There was no need for another to start...serves no purpose
        The Elephant in the room

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        • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
          And this has "what" to do with North American slaughter?
          I don't know, you tell me, since the thread is discussing horsemeat in beef in Europe.

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          • Any why would this..meaning horsemeat in Europe even garner any of our posts...you are right...it has NOTHING to do with us. If they milabel THEIR produ ts..that is THEIR problem. If they put THEIR horsemeat into a beef mixture that is THEIR problem.
            The Elephant in the room

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            • Who is us Fairfax? COTH has members in Europe too.

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              • A more precise testing tool:

                http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topsto...s-in-overdrive
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                • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                  Bute, an antibiotic....

                  Hey, I am happy for the company that their product is flying off the shelves....
                  Originally posted by BigMama1
                  Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                  GNU Terry Prachett

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                  • http://www.producer.com/daily/canadi...opean-scandal/

                    March 11th, 2013

                    Canadians see horse sales lag in wake of European scandal

                    The price for slaughter horses in Alberta has been cut in half by recent discoveries in Europe that beef has been combined with horsemeat in some European plants and products.

                    Bruce Flewelling, an auctioneer who buys and sells horses for slaughter, said prices are now at 25 to 30 cents per pound, down from 40 to 45 cents before the European food scandal began about three weeks ago.

                    The two Alberta plants that handle horses have reduced the number of animals processed in recent weeks because of reduced European demand, he added.

                    Flewelling said the Lacombe plant stopped processing horses for about three weeks, while the Fort Macleod plant began slaughtering more bison and cattle after export demand for horsemeat dropped. Recovery to former processing levels may take time.

                    “I think it will take awhile because I think people are kind of hanging on, waiting for the price to go back up and there will be kind of a backlog. Its just supply and demand.”

                    Bill desBarres, chair of the Horse Welfare Alliance of Canada, said the reduction in exports was disappointing but short-lived.

                    “Shortly after the problem was revealed, then of course shipments were shut down. But that was for a short period of time until they determined where the source of the problem was.”

                    The situation arose when horsemeat was detected in beef products in Ireland. It later widened to other countries when horsemeat was found in various processed meat products labeled as beef.

                    Canadian horsemeat has not been connected with the European situation. The horsemeat industry here generates an estimated $70 million per year to the national economy.

                    desBarres said Canadian product is highly regarded by importers because of its audited and inspected slaughter plants and its attention to animal welfare.

                    He cited development of a new equine code of practice and augmented transport regulations as examples.

                    “Our welfare, in spite of what some other people would like to think, our welfare is assessed by the purchasers as part of their process of buying from us, and we pass with flying colours,” he said.

                    Robyn Moore, manager of the Horse Industry Association of Alberta, said in an email that the European issue is about safety and not an aversion to horsemeat, which has been eaten there for centuries.

                    “The situation in Europe is an issue of food safety,” she said, ” Consumers want to know what they are eating. They want to trust that the label on the outside of the package correctly identifies the contents.

                    “Many people in Europe consume horse meat as a regular part of their diet so it is not seen as ‘taboo,’ as the media in North America may depict it.”

                    Moore said horse processing establishes a base price on horses, which offers protection for welfare.

                    “Without a base monetary price, horses can be perceived as not having any value and are therefore be more susceptible to neglect or other abuses.”

                    Flewelling and desBarres said there is one benefit to the European horsemeat controversy. It has encouraged people to try horsemeat.

                    “There is more interest in people trying horsemeat now than we’ve seen for a long time,” said desBarres.

                    He describes the meat as similar to moose, although that may not be much of a guide to those who haven’t tasted either meat.

                    “I compare it to my experience with moose meat. It’s a little coarser but very tasty. It would be a preference on my regular meat schedule.

                    “I don’t have an issue with any meat including horsemeat. I’ve found it to be quite tasty.”
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                    • Now in Greece and now in chicken:

                      http://horsetalk.co.nz/2013/03/25/gr.../#.UVDVoo_D8qQ
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                      • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                        I guess it is true: everything does taste like chicken....
                        Originally posted by BigMama1
                        Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                        GNU Terry Prachett

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                        • Wow! Once again, the ra ra's have jumped the gun and are claiming things which just aren't true. Respected biologists are now beginning to object to these claims of horse meat being found in other meats. The biologists are warning that most food animals share so much DNA that one could try to make this argument from any sample analyzed from any meat. Cattle, horses and yes, even chickens share so much DNA, that analysis cannot differentiate precisely enough to be of value. When the ra ra's don't get the results they want, they simply move the goalposts to the point that their standards are so minute as to make them meaningless. But that doesn't stop them from screaming from the hilltops!

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                          • Did someone mention mystery meat:

                            http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...s-meat-1789265

                            A LAMB curry has been found to contain a mystery meat – sparking fears it could be DOG or CAT.

                            The grim find is a shocking twist to the UK’s horse meat scandal and was revealed in a documentary screened last night.

                            Experts could only say what was not in the chunks of meat – and they ruled out lamb, beef, chicken, pork, goat, horse and even human flesh.

                            The curry was bought from an unnamed London takeaway.

                            It was a random sample sent for testing along with fast food including burgers, kebabs and Chinese dishes.

                            The discovery will spark fears of what is in takeaway dishes across the country.

                            A spokesman for one-off BBC3 special Horsemeat Banquet said: “Just when we thought things couldn’t get any worse, the results came in for an Indian lamb curry.

                            “It did contain meat, but it was not lamb, not pork, nor was it chicken or beef. Not horse, and not goat either.

                            “The lab is unable to identify which animal this meat came from.”

                            Along with the “mystery meat” curry, a beef burger was found to be mostly cow and chicken blood and two per cent heart.

                            The only fast food that lived up to the label was a lamb doner kebab.

                            The spokesman said: “Amazingly this was found to contain lamb and no stray ingredients.”

                            The horrifying discovery is the first time an unknown meat has appeared on the High Street since the horse burger scandal hit the headlines 11 weeks ago.

                            Earlier this month, our sister paper the Sunday Mail revealed that a third of curries sold as lamb in Scotland were found to contain cheap beef instead.
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                            • Along with the “mystery meat” curry, a beef burger was found to be mostly cow and chicken blood and two per cent heart.

                              well, they say love is the best cook....

                              Now how did they ever determine that the ground up meat was heart?

                              Maybe the meat in the curry was rat....
                              Originally posted by BigMama1
                              Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                              GNU Terry Prachett

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                              • Originally posted by luvmytbs View Post
                                http://www.producer.com/daily/canadi...opean-scandal/

                                March 11th, 2013

                                Canadians see horse sales lag in wake of European scandal

                                The price for slaughter horses in Alberta has been cut in half by recent discoveries in Europe that beef has been combined with horsemeat in some European plants and products.

                                Bruce Flewelling, an auctioneer who buys and sells horses for slaughter, said prices are now at 25 to 30 cents per pound, down from 40 to 45 cents before the European food scandal began about three weeks ago.

                                The two Alberta plants that handle horses have reduced the number of animals processed in recent weeks because of reduced European demand, he added.

                                Flewelling said the Lacombe plant stopped processing horses for about three weeks, while the Fort Macleod plant began slaughtering more bison and cattle after export demand for horsemeat dropped. Recovery to former processing levels may take time.

                                “I think it will take awhile because I think people are kind of hanging on, waiting for the price to go back up and there will be kind of a backlog. Its just supply and demand.”

                                Bill desBarres, chair of the Horse Welfare Alliance of Canada, said the reduction in exports was disappointing but short-lived.

                                “Shortly after the problem was revealed, then of course shipments were shut down. But that was for a short period of time until they determined where the source of the problem was.”

                                The situation arose when horsemeat was detected in beef products in Ireland. It later widened to other countries when horsemeat was found in various processed meat products labeled as beef.

                                Canadian horsemeat has not been connected with the European situation. The horsemeat industry here generates an estimated $70 million per year to the national economy.

                                desBarres said Canadian product is highly regarded by importers because of its audited and inspected slaughter plants and its attention to animal welfare.

                                He cited development of a new equine code of practice and augmented transport regulations as examples.

                                “Our welfare, in spite of what some other people would like to think, our welfare is assessed by the purchasers as part of their process of buying from us, and we pass with flying colours,” he said.

                                Robyn Moore, manager of the Horse Industry Association of Alberta, said in an email that the European issue is about safety and not an aversion to horsemeat, which has been eaten there for centuries.

                                “The situation in Europe is an issue of food safety,” she said, ” Consumers want to know what they are eating. They want to trust that the label on the outside of the package correctly identifies the contents.

                                “Many people in Europe consume horse meat as a regular part of their diet so it is not seen as ‘taboo,’ as the media in North America may depict it.”

                                Moore said horse processing establishes a base price on horses, which offers protection for welfare.

                                “Without a base monetary price, horses can be perceived as not having any value and are therefore be more susceptible to neglect or other abuses.”

                                Flewelling and desBarres said there is one benefit to the European horsemeat controversy. It has encouraged people to try horsemeat.

                                “There is more interest in people trying horsemeat now than we’ve seen for a long time,” said desBarres.

                                He describes the meat as similar to moose, although that may not be much of a guide to those who haven’t tasted either meat.

                                “I compare it to my experience with moose meat. It’s a little coarser but very tasty. It would be a preference on my regular meat schedule.

                                “I don’t have an issue with any meat including horsemeat. I’ve found it to be quite tasty.”
                                Good article

                                Sellers are holding back waiting for the price to rise.

                                It is determined by market demand

                                Canadian horsemeat has not been connected with the European situation. The horsemeat industry here generates an estimated $70 million per year to the national economy.

                                desBarres said Canadian product is highly regarded by importers because of its audited and inspected slaughter plants and its attention to animal welfare.


                                Want to read that againt.....and its attention to animal welfare

                                You see..it CAN BE DONE..
                                The Elephant in the room

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                                • Reading the UK papers..they are hit with new RaRa fesars every day. My child could choke to death blah blah blah..what if my child is allergic...STOP ALL MEAT...that is the message. Has nothing to do with horsemeat..it is a vegan plan to stop all meat
                                  The Elephant in the room

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                                  • Fairfax, you really think it's a vegan plot and not that people might just be upset that they're not getting what they paid for? And maybe not what they would choose to eat if they knew?

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                                    • The rara's have their agenda..

                                      Interesting when one reads the newspapers. The ones that appeal to the "commoner" working stiff are filled with..your babiy could die...granny will choke etc.

                                      The upscale are different. They comment about the lack of restrictions on lableing and how it should be made accountable.

                                      Other than that...not very much...

                                      Laura..you and Angela have repeatedly bragged that the market will fall, slaughter will end...and here..you post..where they are saying the Canadian standards..which are the only ones in North America at current time..are GREAT.

                                      Again..it can be done.
                                      The Elephant in the room

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                                      • The rara's have their agenda..

                                        Interesting when one reads the newspapers. The ones that appeal to the "commoner" working stiff are filled with..your babiy could die...granny will choke etc.

                                        The upscale are different. They comment about the lack of restrictions on lableing and how it should be made accountable.

                                        Other than that...not very much...

                                        Laura..you and Angela have repeatedly bragged that the market will fall, slaughter will end...and here..you post..where they are saying the Canadian standards..which are the only ones in North America at current time..are GREAT.

                                        Again..it can be done.
                                        The Elephant in the room

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                                        • http://www.thestar.com/news/investig...ood_chain.html
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