• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Diagonals- How were you taught?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #41
    I was always told outside. But really I learned by feel - I have a really hard time "seeing" things like that. I was the same way with canter leads too.
    "Choose to chance the rapids, and dare to dance the tides" - Garth Brooks
    "With your permission, dear, I'll take my fences one at a time" - Maggie Smith, Downton Abbey


    • #42
      outside leg, on a lunge line, with my eyes closed :-)


      • #43
        I was a "look down- up on the outside leg" girl for years (hunt seat as a kid). I then took lessons from a woman who had a wonderful method for feeling the hindquarter movement and getting the correct diagonal that way. I don't see it posted yet, so good to share. She had me put one arm behind my back and sit the trot. Having an arm behind your back causes the spine to rotate and swing more with the trot movement. The exaggerated sway of my spine finally got it through my thick brain to feel that back end. The trainer had a cutting horse background.


        • #44
          In continental Europe, I learned and later taught outside shoulder/leg going forward, because so you were sitting with the inside hind leg and that helped your weight coming down when that inside leg was down, gave it better support, horses could easily then carry your weight forward without twisting.

          When in larger areas and not making many turns, like in trail and endurance rides, we would switch which leg to post on regularly, supposedly to not weight too much one side only.

          I have heard that there are some northern russian instructors that were teaching the opposite way, with their own reasons, but it was more of an isolated school of thought.


          • #45
            I was taught to ise with the outside leg to allow the horse to better balance himself. I spent a good portion of many, many lessons learning to "feel" the diagonal.
            The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
            Winston Churchill


            • #46
              "Rise and fall with the leg on the wall." I sometimes check the inside though, no particular reason, though I can usually "feel" diagonals without looking.
              I saw the angel in the marble and I set him free. - Michaelangelo


              • #47
                I was blessed with instructors who thought I should be able to feel my diagonal. As a result, I went years constantly being on the wrong one.

                Finally I got an instructor who suggested I look (quickly) at the outside leg.

                Oddly, it didn't take long after that for me to learn to feel when I was correct and when I wasn't. It's still tougher for me to feel the correct diagonal going clockwise than counterclockwise, though.

                All my instructors were h/j.
                I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show


                • #48
                  Originally posted by Muffin View Post
                  A friend and I discovered yesterday we learned diagonals the opposite ways. I learned to check the inside leg (when the inside leg is forward, you're sitting down). She was taught to check the outside leg. Of course, now we feel them, but we started wondering- is it a discipline thing? My mom taught hunters, so I learned from her in the 70's. My friend started out eventing (she's about 10 years younger than me).

                  How and what were you taught?
                  I began in a hunter barn as well, and was also taught check the inside leg!
                  *Wendy* 4.17.73 - 12.20.05


                  • #49
                    Rise and fall with the shoulder on the wall!


                    • #50
                      Outside leg. Saddleseat. Except, as SmartAlex said, for photos.

                      But heck, most of the time I don't pay too much attention to diagonals- I'm not riding equitation- so I go with whichever feels most comfortable for the horse.


                      • #51
                        Outside. I can feel my diagonals but tend to look out of habit. It's easy to tell on my guy cause he drops his inside shoulder so you get really off balance if you try to post on the inside. I also always check at shows because it would be stupid to lose a class because you think you are on the right diagonal, which I've seen done. I can check my diagonal pretty quick and am good at checking without tilting my whole head down to look.

                        ETA: I ride hunters and dressage.


                        • #52
                          Outside shoulder as taught by US and UK instructors. I have been able to feel them for years but still catch myself glancing down that first stride.


                          • #53
                            IMHO the key to feeling the diagonal is riding a horse with a good walk. If you can feel your hips swinging with the horse's walk think "in out in out" Keeping the rhythm ask for the trot and think "In out up down"

                            FWIW if the rider thinks "up down" even while sitting the trot she will probably sit better than if she thinks OMG I have to SIT. As a bonus if she thinks "Up down" while sitting she can switch to posting on the right diagonal
                            I wasn't always a Smurf
                            Penmerryl Sophie RIDSH
                            "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                            The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.


                            • #54
                              I was another "Rise and fall with the leg on the wall"
                              It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.


                              • #55
                                Rise and fall with the leg against the wall! Ha...I've never heard this til now. It will now become my mantra, b/c even after months with my current coach, she still has to tell me to change my diagonal.

                                I think first barn (all h/j barns), was inside leg....then next barn, outside.

                                The horse I rode at my previous barn, I could feel when I wasn't on the right one b/c it felt off. My current guy has such a bumpy trot that I can't tell without looking - or being told. Which has got to stop. lol!