• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

New to MD, need advice on natural horsemanship location

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #61
    4-H is another good option if you want more Western opportunities than Pony Club (and if at some point you want to branch out into more areas of animal care and projects than just horses.) It also means if you end up in a position where you can't be in hoses at the moment, you can still participate fully. My friend's sister is big into 4-H dogs, and there's always even crafts and projects. Plus there are general education type events like equine trivia, there are scholarships for older kids, and if you want to make a careful, educated foray into "natural" horsemanship (Buck Branaman (?-spelling) seems to be a respected name for a lot of COTHers) you may well find a supportive group.

    And you can't get MORE aggressive than a lot of Natural Horsemanship, particularly the 'games' or whatever non-Ps like Anderson call them, that are mostly about nagging the horse to a mental breaking point where, if it "works", the horse caves in and loses the will to resist or indeed to do much of anything (and where if it doesn't the horse snaps and becomes a brain-fried nut who needs a professional to undo the damage before someone gets critically injured.) That's a lot more destructive than a bop with a crop or putting a bit in the mouth.

    And ANY trainer who tells you that shoes are never appropriate is a nut, move on. Some horses are fine without them--my Off Track Thoroughbred , who's not in heavy work, goes barefoot and he's fine, despite stereotypes you'll hear about TB feet. Some horses need shoes to work, some need shoes all the time, some don't. A good trainer and a good farrier will never take an absolute position on shoes/barefoot and apply it to every horse they come across because every horse and their feet are different.
    Author Page
    Like Omens In the Night on Facebook
    Steampunk Sweethearts


    • #62
      Originally posted by Arianna View Post
      First, I want to thank you all for your immediate and informative responses. As I said, I am new to horse culture, so I am learning from all of your ideas and points of view. I also visited the spin-off thread on "what is un-natural horsemanship" and found it thought-provoking. Yes, I have spoken with a very nice person at The Equiery and looked at most of her leads. The Gentle Giants Rescue in Mt Airy is a bit far away, but has a good vibe to me. Does anyone know anything about it? I will also look at the Hidden Hollow barn that was recommended.

      Yes, I did google Parelli here in MD and, like some of you, find a bit of cultishness in the approach which is why I originally said Parelli-style rather than full-throttle Parelli. Has Parelli cornered the market on the term "Natural Horsemanship"? What are some other terms I could be looking for when I am seeking less-aggressive styles of training? I appreciated See U at X's comment that some barns that advertise "NH" are not good quality places. This is very important to both of us and I have a limited ability to discern this at a glance.

      I appreciate your concern for her ability to work in a barn. TheHunterKid90's comments about grooming, cleaning tack, cleaning feet, etc. are certainly part of what I had in mind, but I also want her to realize what is really involved in owning and caring for a horse. Thanks for pointing out that there are aspects of barn work that inappropriate and dangerous for a 7 year old. Many of you suggest pony clubs. I will definitely check this out.

      When I say "princess mentality," I mean that I don't want her to think of horses as interchangeable creatures that exist for her pleasure - that she can walk in, mount up, get a lesson, and walk away - that the horse exists so that she can make it do what she wants. Yes, I have been training her from birth to respect people, cats, dogs, guinea pigs, what have you. She is 7, though, and very impressionable. She will model the relationship she sees in her riding teacher, so I am looking for someone who promotes caring, thoughtful interactions with horses.

      Please be patient with me. I think the term is "greenhorn." That's why I'm asking you. And I am amazed at your generous responses! Thanks again, I will keep reading!
      I live in Baltimore and while I am not currently riding (multiple reasons!), I think I may be able to help. PM me when you have a chance.

      Welcome to MD!!
      Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people.
      W. C. Fields


      • #63
        It appears the chld needs the use of a pony and transportation for such pony, so that narrows her search. Some Pony Clubs offer ponies on site of their barn.

        Most credible horsemen shy away from the term NH and if that is what the OP
        wants, this is perhaps not the best place to come. OP: this could well turn into one of the COTH famous train-wrecks.....
        Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique


        • #64
          Oh, and just to be clear, my help does not include carrot sticks or anything of the sort! LOL! I can, however, put you in touch with reputable H/J trainers as well as some who do eventing and PC.
          Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people.
          W. C. Fields


          • #65
            Originally posted by Arianna View Post

            How would you characterize an aggressive style of training?
            Much of what the Parellis do is aggressive/abuse treatment (I won't call it *training!*) FROM THE HORSE'S POINT OF VIEW!! So many people think that horse training or dog training is somehow *kinder* if you use a *carrot stick,* or a clicker, but from the animal's viewpoint, clarity of communication, consistency, and fairness count for a hell of a lot more and are, in fact, far kinder training methods.

            If you want examples of the Parellis' aggressive training, look up the threads here on COTH and the videos of them working with poor Catwalk and Barney. If Catwalk and Barney could talk, I'm quite sure that they would NOT consider Parelli's techniques *less aggressive.* These videos were, as I recall, from their instructional videos as examples of correct application of Parellis' techniques.

            Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
            don't over estimate your daughter's ability to be helpful enough that she can work off her lessons anytime soon. My kids grew up in the barn but they were more hassle than help long past your daughter's age. Your idea of work is likely to be the trainer's idea of free babysitting.

            Originally posted by danceronice View Post
            And you can't get MORE aggressive than a lot of Natural Horsemanship, particularly the 'games' or whatever non-Ps like Anderson call them, that are mostly about nagging the horse to a mental breaking point where, if it "works", the horse caves in and loses the will to resist or indeed to do much of anything (and where if it doesn't the horse snaps and becomes a brain-fried nut who needs a professional to undo the damage before someone gets critically injured.) That's a lot more destructive than a bop with a crop or putting a bit in the mouth.
            Well stated. Humans and animals often view training techniques from very different perspectives. The nagging and mental pressure LOOKS non-aggressive to the novice, but animals generally find it very stressful to endure.
            Proofreading is your friend.