• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Got screwed by a former trainer, now what do I do?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by NCRider View Post
    1-Debbie MacDonald is a professional dressage rider who had an Olympic caliber large horse, not an adult amateur with one horse. The option of trading in Brentina for an equivalent smaller model didn't exist. Even DM took horse size into account when shopping. From Flying Changes article "Sometimes Debbie might look at a horse and think it's too big for her, but then Bob might point out that it has a narrow build, or a certain flexibility, and she'll try it. "I can tell usually in one ride if it will work," she says."

    2-DM may have conformation that made riding a large horse possible even though she herself was short.

    3-AFAIK Margie Engle isn't a dressage rider.
    Oh right, because the forces involved in landing off 5'6" square oxers are totes ladida, certainly in comparison to sitting pirouette canter.

    And OP appears to be a hunter/jumper rider.
    The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
    Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
    Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
    The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

    Comment


    • Margie Engle has enough experience with enough horses that she knows whether it will work or not.

      OP does not.

      Why, you ask? Because she also doesn't know that horses can grow unpredictably. Betcha $100 that Margie does.

      The only way you learn that is to do it. To ride and ride and ride and ride and ride imperfect horses and bad ones and wide ones and skinny ones and...

      The OP is uncomfortable, yes, but the only way we grow is through discomfort. She has to decide whether she wants to grow or not. I'd always advise growth, but I'm a PITA like that and I have watched far too many people decide to sit in "comfort-land" both personally and professionally.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post

        The OP is uncomfortable, yes, but the only way we grow is through discomfort. She has to decide whether she wants to grow or not. I'd always advise growth, but I'm a PITA like that and I have watched far too many people decide to sit in "comfort-land" both personally and professionally.
        Well, the OP also has a horse that I bet 90 percent of us would kill for. Yet, she'd rather fantasize about "chopping his head off." Seriously, where's the fruitbat?!

        Comment


        • Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post
          Margie Engle has enough experience with enough horses that she knows whether it will work or not.

          OP does not.

          Why, you ask? Because she also doesn't know that horses can grow unpredictably. Betcha $100 that Margie does.
          Betcha anyone that got through middle school science classes knows mammals can grown unexpectedly throughout their youth/adolescence.
          ~Veronica
          "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
          http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

          Comment


          • I do agree, Tha Ridge. My initial gut reaction to the OP's posts was not kind.
            Last edited by OneGrayPony; Jan. 4, 2013, 09:36 PM. Reason: Mixed tenses.

            Comment


            • I'm not saying that the OP shouldn't know.

              I'm saying that she doesn't, ergo she's no M. Engle and really perhaps may not be judging accurately whether she's uncomfortable and should sell vs uncomfortable and needs to learn.

              I vote for learn, but that's because I tend to be "for growth".

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Tha Ridge View Post
                Well, the OP also has a horse that I bet 90 percent of us would kill for. Yet, she'd rather fantasize about "chopping his head off." Seriously, where's the fruitbat?!
                Originally posted by ponyrider212
                I might have to do some major forgiveness work when I think about how I ended up with him, though. Talk about a spiritual challenge!
                OP, if this horse drives you to such fantasies and you seriously believe that forgiving your trainer is a major spiritual job for you, then it tells me a lot about your comfort zone and your ability to roll with the punches so to speak. You are probably better off selling your horse, for his sake as well as yours, and getting something much more predictable.

                Seriously, there are 26 families of little kids and teachers in Connecticut who can tell you what a real spiritual challenge is. Or Izanalter or Tamara in TN or so many others. A trainer who didn't accurately predict a yearling's eventual height is something you should simply.get.past.Sell your horse and forget your anger.

                I like logical people---they provide a nice contrast to the real world.

                Comment


                • Meh, I raised a filly from a weanling that ended up 16.2 and gawky and gangly. There's handy and adjustable 16.2 and there's aw geeez where'd my hoofies go aww jeez sawwy 16.2.

                  I ride some coocoo trails, I didn't do as much flat landing as I used to, so MooMoo was not a fit for me.

                  So I sold her.

                  I didn't think about cutting her head off or suing anyone, I just flipping SOLD her. Now she's with a lady who digs her like she's the cat's pajamas, and she is over 6' tall herself and looks amazing on her, and the mare is headed toward a career in law enforcement, too. Her upheaded carriage and sweetness of temper are a perfect match in her new career. It's a win for everyone, and I didn't even have to cut her head off.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by OneGrayPony View Post
                    I'm not saying that the OP shouldn't know.

                    I'm saying that she doesn't, ergo she's no M. Engle and really perhaps may not be judging accurately whether she's uncomfortable and should sell vs uncomfortable and needs to learn.

                    I vote for learn, but that's because I tend to be "for growth".
                    Sell or keep, either seem like paths forward. Blame and contemplate suing the trainer for selling you a bill of goods no 5th grader would swallow? THAT'S unproductive and not a path forward.
                    ~Veronica
                    "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                    http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

                    Comment


                    • I also agree with that V. I've got my choir robe firmly on.

                      Comment


                      • Have skipped most posts so apologize for any redundancy but:

                        Understandable that you might be upset with deception. Get over it. To do otherwise is to colossally waste your time. The issue is, you own a horse, do you like the horse, or not? If the only thing wrong with the horse is that he is 'too big,' well, the size you list is insanely marketable, so you shouldn't have any trouble selling at a profit and buying something you like better.

                        On the other hand, if you otherwise like the horse, why not challenge yourself as a horseman and learn to improve your riding on 'that' horse?

                        This is where I think about how lucky I've been to ride all different breeds, sizes, and shapes over the last half century. I can just get on and go and enjoy a horse for what it has to offer- any horse! Okay, I do need a mounting block for an 18 hander. Probably even a 17.2h. But in my experience size doesn't matter- I have ridden some terrific horses from 14 hands to 17.3 (the 18.1 h was okay, middle of the road on the spectrum).

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by ponyrider212
                          Sadly, my trainer did not tell me exactly how tall the horse was when I bought him. As I said before, she forbade me to speak directly to the breeder, so all my information was coming from her at the time. I had seen several of this breeder's horses come through our barn, and none of them matured to over 16.1. I was told by my trainer that what I was getting would be similar to what I had seen--and helped my trainer start under saddle, even--but she told the breeder that I wanted something taller.
                          So you bought the horse sight-unseen? What about a PPE? I purchased a new mare this summer and one of the first things the vet did was stick her. And I was standing there and had tried the horse twice!!! Seems to me that more questions should have been asked at the time of purchase and I'd be angry at myself for going along so blinded and trusted without covering the simplest of bases.

                          Comment


                          • ponyrider, I'm a nervous junior who's 5'9" and growing... you can send him my way!

                            But FWIW... and please don't misinterpret this... I think you're overreacting a little bit. This is an alter, right? So hopefully you've been around a while and have realized that COTH is just a very sarcastic, snarky bunch (which I personally love) and that they're all brilliant horsepeople that I would trust. And to a person who loves horses as much as this group does, it can come across as "off" when you mention Godfather-like fantasies about your horse who didn't do anything wrong. I'm very sorry you were misguided by your trainer, but (echoing others) he is very very marketable and I'm positive that someone will be willing to take him on. In fact, maybe you can find a horse just like him, except smaller, and perhaps propose a trade?
                            Proud member of the COTH Junior (and Junior-at-Heart!) clique!

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by ponyrider212
                              QUOTE=
                              Multiple blank posts

                              Appears heat in this kitchen got too much for OP.
                              Packed your ball and went home?
                              Um...you can delete a post rather than just edit out all the verbage - unless you wanted to say nothing....

                              Oop, I stand corrected.
                              Post History shows from 7:28P last night:
                              "Thanks all, for the suggestions. Got just what I needed tonight from a lovely non-horse friend who helped me find an answer."

                              Gee, not wanting to share The Answer?
                              Dang, all this popcorn, for nothing!
                              *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                              Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                              Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                              Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

                              Comment


                              • The OP needs to "suck it up," be an adult, and get on with their life. If that means sell the horse then for God's sake sell the horse. If that means that she needs to take some lessons and improve her skills so she can manage the horse then take the lessons and get on with it.

                                When did we become such a nation of spoiled children???

                                G.
                                Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

                                Comment


                                • Anybody else think this was an ad? I mean don't we all want this horse now!? Poor thing, I want to take his big, beautiful self away from the mean lady who doesn't appreciate him. I am sure I am not the only one and he will find his next home right here on this thread. Asshat.
                                  McDowell Racing Stables

                                  Home Away From Home

                                  Comment


                                  • I don't know why people have to be so nasty. I think you can say what you think without being hateful.
                                    www.ncsporthorse.com

                                    Comment


                                    • Post History shows from 7:28P last night:
                                      "Thanks all, for the suggestions. Got just what I needed tonight from a lovely non-horse friend who helped me find an answer."
                                      Can't wait to see the lawsuit.

                                      *sigh*

                                      Comment


                                      • Darn, I was too late to the party! I have a lame, retired 15.1hh QH I'll trade! I love the big boys (and I'm only 5'1").

                                        Comment


                                        • Gah. I missed all the fun. Thanks to the poster who quoted the OP for the record. SMH. When I was horse shopping, my trainer told me I wasn't allowed to look at anything over 16h (I'm 5'3 in the morning)... I ended up with 17.1 Herself. I love it!

                                          Get over yourself OP. You'll find that it'll probably be quite fun.

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X