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  • If you think horse slaughter is humane then you need to see this...

    Warning...very graphic videos on this website. If you think for one minute that horse slaughter in slaugter houses is humane, then download and watch these video clips. I was shocked and horrified. It was even worse than I expected.

    http://www.sharkonline.org/horseslaughter.mv

    "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill
  • Original Poster

    #2
    Warning...very graphic videos on this website. If you think for one minute that horse slaughter in slaugter houses is humane, then download and watch these video clips. I was shocked and horrified. It was even worse than I expected.

    http://www.sharkonline.org/horseslaughter.mv

    "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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    • #3
      Graphic yes - but the world is not a pretty place - we need such things to remind us. Yes, we could talk about the pros & cons of slaughter but my sig. below says my thoughts.

      ______________________________
      **If you don't rescue, don't breed. Simple solution to companion animal overpopulation.**
      "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

      Ponies are cool!

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      • #4
        Please sign the petition while visiting the site. They are trying to open the horse slaughter plant in DeKalb IL. This group is a bit extremist, but are trying to stop it.

        ~~I hear opportunity knocking, but I can't find the door!~~

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        • #5
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by equinelaundry:
          Graphic yes - but the world is not a pretty place - we need such things to remind us. Yes, we could talk about the pros & cons of slaughter but my sig. below says my thoughts.

          ______________________________
          **If you don't rescue, don't breed. Simple solution to companion animal overpopulation.**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          I would toast you, but alas I have no wine.

          Horse slaughter is never pleasant, but until people are willing to educate others and be educated, there are few reasonable options. I hear "rescue, rescue, rescue" up and down the wazoo, but no one is doing anything.

          And I'm willing to bet good money that webpage you posted is happily funded by animal rights groups...which, in my opinion, can go jump of a cliff without parachutes.

          "I like colds because when I have a cold, I get to use my favorite drug - NYQUIL. It's the moonshine of medicine. Because when I have a cold, I want something that's really going to **** me up...Nyquil comes in two colors: red and green. And red and green are what? Christmas colors! That's right, Nyquil makes a dandy eggnog..."
          - Lewis Black comedy
          \"Horses change lives. They give our young people confidence and self esteem, they provide peace and tranquility to troubled souls, they give us hope.\"
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          • #6
            I totally agree with you, equinelaundry. My wish is that good people start treating their horses like they treat their dogs - companions for life.

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            • #7
              Aawwww, you guys!!! And I was putting on my coat of armor to keep away from the flames.

              Let's all toast to education this year and restraint when wanting to bring a new life into the world. Let's celebrate the ones we have!!

              ______________________________
              **If you don't rescue, don't breed. Simple solution to companion animal overpopulation.**
              "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

              Ponies are cool!

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              • #8
                You will not find anyone here that thinks horse slaughter or human consumption is a wonderful idea. However, it will be worse if the horses that no longer have anyone to love them have to be shipped up to Canada to be killed or if the rendering plants no longer accept horses.

                It is a fact of life that some people will not spend the money to have a horse euthanized when instead of spending $350 they can get paid $350.
                This whole campaign against slaughter will cost us dearly, if as I've been told the plants that render them will no longer accept them. Who will remove those that have been euthanized? In our town it is illegal to bury them on the farm because of endangering the water table.

                Battle Scarred Veteran
                http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  I don't have any idea who's website that is and don't care. The videos of horses being stunned 3 to 4 times as well as in the shoulder speak for themselves. I found this website posted on another horse board and remember many discussions here on COTH where folks have argued that slaughter is humane. I saw very little in those videos that you could consider untraumatic to the horses. They are clearly very stressed and frightened, get a full view of horses being butchered and several have to be repeatedly stunned to knock them senseless enough to be bled out. I think it's horrible.

                  BTW, I have two rescue horses in my barn. One of the two was 3 days away from a Canadian slaughter house when I found him.

                  While I find the idea of eating horses to be repulsive, I do not necessarily object to killing horses for food. I do object to treating them like these horses are being treated. Perhaps nicer environments inside the slaughterhouses to keep the stress level down, quieter, no views of dead horses, and a more accurate, humane way of destroying them.

                  "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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                  • #10
                    There is another website called www.equineadvocate.com. Took a look at the pics of the slaughter process--took a while to get over it. There has to be a better way!

                    But then they all can't find homes. Have a friend who keeps breeding bad-tempered mares and wonders why there isn't much of a market for the foals. She'll buy about anything someone waves in front of her and breed it as soon as possible. Sad!!!!! Keeps telling me you can't make any money with geldings--I have three and making money is not the purpose in owning them. She has thrown several hundred thousand dollars away over the last four or five years and added to the number of unwanted horses. Sigh!

                    Julie
                    www.centaurfencing.com
                    "The Horse-Friendly Fence"

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                    • #11
                      Snowbird, just my humble opinion that this would be less of a problem if people would take responsibility for the lives they bring into the world (human & critter but that's a whole 'nother topic!).

                      Rather than have to send healthy horses to slaughter houses why not educate people to stop breeding? The people who can really make an impact here is breeders. I realize this is a business for some people but again, not many people take responsibility for their breedings from birth to death. If they did this slaughter issue would not be an issue period.

                      I remember the quote of some ranch breeder out West last year and he says "What are we too do with all the colts?" Uhhh, how 'bout stop breeding. What an idiot.

                      Then you have the topics of saving horses from rescues only to be bred again and again to earn their keep. Argument there is that they heroically saved a life at that time but......what about the lives that the mare will produce to "earn her keep"?

                      Reality check. This post is not for all and I don't want a debate on slaughter AGAIN. Just want to plant the seed to control the breeding folks.

                      ______________________________
                      **If you don't rescue, don't breed. Simple solution to companion animal overpopulation.**

                      [This message was edited by equinelaundry on Feb. 07, 2004 at 07:03 PM.]

                      [This message was edited by equinelaundry on Feb. 07, 2004 at 07:06 PM.]
                      "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

                      Ponies are cool!

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                      • #12
                        1) Whether or not you think slaughter is a necessity is not the point here. The original poster, and the videos, show without a doubt that the methods used in the process are NOT humane and that horses do not react like cattle.

                        2) Please understand, there is a HUGE difference between rendering and slaughter. Slaughter is not rendering.

                        Two Toofs
                        (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                        • #13
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cgn38:
                          I totally agree with you, equinelaundry. My wish is that good people start treating their horses like they treat their dogs - companions for life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Put in a few weeks working at a shelter, and you'll find that that's not always the case...

                          Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.
                          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                          • #14
                            I would like more information on when and where those pictures were taken. I've been in slaughter houses (not horse ones) and that type of thing is not the norm, but multiple stuns etc. do happen occasionally.

                            I'm definetely not anti-slaughter but it should be possible to do so skillfully and humanely. I support that but I certainly will not donate money to any extremist animal rights type group for any reason. I believe that closing slaughter houses just condemns horses to a long and horrible trailer trip. Thats what happened in CA.

                            Also when meatpacking went from a well paid union job to low paid scut work it led to all kinds of problems.

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                            • #15
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
                              You will not find anyone here that thinks horse slaughter or human consumption is a wonderful idea. However, it will be worse if the horses that no longer have anyone to love them have to be shipped up to Canada to be killed or if the rendering plants no longer accept horses.

                              It is a fact of life that some people will not spend the money to have a horse euthanized when instead of spending $350 they can get paid $350.
                              This whole campaign against slaughter will cost us dearly, if as I've been told the plants that render them will no longer accept them. Who will remove those that have been euthanized? In our town it is illegal to bury them on the farm because of endangering the water table.

                              _Battle Scarred Veteran_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              There is a difference between rendering and slaughter. Slaughter is for Human consumption, rendering is for bi-products, after the animal has been euthanized. Often the rendering plants pick up animals that could not be buried because of laws regarding this. Be very happy if you are one of the people that can bury, alot can't it's illegal.
                              NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
                              http://www.cafepress.com/maneshirts

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                              • #16
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by silver:
                                I would like more information on when and where those pictures were taken. I've been in slaughter houses (not horse ones) and that type of thing is not the norm, but multiple stuns etc. do happen occasionally.
                                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                The reason that you see a difference in the slaughter videos of the horses is for 2 reasons - horses react differently to the procedure than cows and the fact that the AMVA guidelines state the for captive bolt death to be considered humane, that the head of the horse must be properly restrained. They don't restrain the heads in the horse slaughter plants.Watch the videos. Does anyone who is a horseman of any type really expect the horse to just stand there and take it under those circumstances?

                                And equinelaundry, you are correct that it will be graphic whether humane or not. But did you watch the videos? That's not just graphic. It's just plain sick how the horses are treated.

                                Two Toofs
                                (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                • #17
                                  I'm sorry. I edited above post.
                                  I was thinking slaugher & consumtion at the same time. Kristie (who will stick to one thought at a time )

                                  ______________________________
                                  **If you don't rescue, don't breed. Simple solution to companion animal overpopulation.**
                                  "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

                                  Ponies are cool!

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                                  • #18
                                    Two Toofs, I'm not saying that those videos are OK, I clearly stated that I believe a humane method SHOULD exist, not that it does.

                                    BUT I have had experience with animal rights groups and I would like to know when and where those videos were filmed. Was it even in the US? Have changes already been instituted in the plants? If information like that comes out later it makes everyone look bad and is ultimately detrimental to the real goal.

                                    I would like to improve the laws relating to horse slaughter as much as anyone.

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      I'll tell you what really pissed me off was the first horse...that little buckskin. That was not a "misaimed" stun IMO. It sure looked like he deliberately hit that horse in the shoulder with the captive bolt because it had it's head down. The other one that was down, scrambling and couldn't get up was horrible too. No animal should have to walk into that chute and be able to see the carcasses of other animals like that either. No wonder the poor things were so frightened.

                                      "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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                                      • #20
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BasqueMom:
                                        But then they all can't find homes. Have a friend who keeps breeding bad-tempered mares and wonders why there isn't much of a market for the foals. She'll buy about anything someone waves in front of her and breed it as soon as possible. Sad!!!!! Keeps telling me you can't make any money with geldings--I have three and making money is not the purpose in owning them. She has thrown several hundred thousand dollars away over the last four or five years and added to the number of unwanted horses. Sigh!
                                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        If I were you Julie, I wouldn't be refering to this woman as a "friend".

                                        ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~
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