• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Is there anything Monty Roberts won't claim credit for?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Original Poster

    I've heard unsavory rumors of that also.
    A pussycat of a horse with a chewed off tail won the triple crown, The Cubs won the world series and Trump won the Presidency.
    Don't tell me 'It can't be done.'


    • #62
      Originally posted by dreamswept View Post
      And that's a whooooole 'nother kettle of fish. On the other hand, I think he sold half of it at some point because part of the property's Bella Cavalli Farms & Vineyard now. The training track's on their side, and they have grapes in the infield. Nice place, the barn's just to die for.
      Just asking because IIRC, Roberts wrote about coming from nothing but an abusive daddy. How does that add up to a huge farm in a great part of California?
      The armchair saddler
      Politically Pro-Cat


      • #63
        Originally posted by mvp View Post
        Just asking because IIRC, Roberts wrote about coming from nothing but an abusive daddy. How does that add up to a huge farm in a great part of California?
        Working his behind off.....


        • #64
          Originally posted by CFFarm View Post
          I watched the video and didn't find anything particularly ego driven in it. It was filmed in association with the release of the film. It was filmed in 2011 and he says the play had been on stage for 3 years. He must have had something to do with the training of the cast or he wouldn't have been on the stage with them, right? Being British they probably did read his book in an attempt to understand how horses think. I'm sure the producers of the movie put the video together if anyone wants to check.

          I read Monte's book when it was first released and it got a lot out of it. Most of it wasn't new information but it put into words a lot of what we old timers had learned on our own.

          The book by the "family" was written in 1999 and as sounds a bit like jumping on the book bandwagon to make a buck to me. But that's just MHO.
          ^^^This! Thank you.


          • #65
            Originally posted by BansheeBreeze View Post
            My grandmother took me to a MR clinic when I was pretty young too, and I remember the "bucker" he had. His solution was to take a piece of twine, loop it under the horses upper lip (across his gums like a lip chain), string it over the top of the horses head and attach it to the saddle. He explained that when the horse put it's head down to buck, it would automatically correct the horse.
            I saw that at a demo, too. He put the twine under the horse's lip, tied the dummy in the saddle, and free longed the horse at the canter around the round pen for quite a long time. Then his assistant got on instead of the dummy (twine still under the lip, which made me wonder what kind of wreck we'd see if the horse stumbled), and made it run some more. Eventually, the horse looked really tired and took a lot of whip work to maintain the canter. Then they took the twine off and cantered it a bit more with the assistant sitting on it to show that the bucking horse was 'fixed'.

            The only other thing I've seen him do was a trailer loading demo. He was hawking some kind of miracle pully halter that put a lot of pressure on the poll and maybe other sensitive parts of the head. It did work--a few hard yanks with that halter and the horse was eager to do anything to gain relief.

            If he says anything about other trainers being harsh or gimmick-y, based on what I've seen, I'm thinking "pot, meet kettle". It was pretty disappointing after all the 'horse whisperer' hype.


            • #66
              Originally posted by danceronice View Post
              Jesus rode a donkey. Do donkeys speak Equus?
              I'm surprised y'all are so uninformed. Everyone knows Jesus rode a dinosaur: http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/most-pop...dinosaurs.html

              "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran


              • #67
                Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                Working his behind off.....
                Have you priced land in CA?

                Roberts must have started with a monster tuckus.
                The armchair saddler
                Politically Pro-Cat


                • #68
                  Originally posted by mvp View Post
                  Have you priced land in CA?

                  Roberts must have started with a monster tuckus.
                  He's been at it for a while.
                  And I do know of one horse he worked with, the connections were not poor!
                  And yes, the official side of the story I do remember playing out!

                  As I recall - from the book tho - the farm/ranch is only a shadow of it's original glory, I don't know who bought what from whom, don't really care either.

                  If one cared, one could probably find out a lot about the person in question via the net no less, from official documents.
                  you know, the registered horses he owned, horses he trained etc....

                  I am pretty sure that Baffert, Zito, Lukas, etc are much better off now than when they started out. And that without writing a book and doing clinics!

                  Do I believe everything he wrote?
                  No. But I don't tend to believe all I hear anyhow.
                  Do i think it was all a lie?
                  No. I would suppose most of it was true, to a certain extend.

                  But the book was not the great revelation for me.

                  He is - or rather has - been over playing his shtick, for sure.
                  However, all things considered, he is not nearly as bad as the other two charlatans who shall remain unnamed!
                  In the gimmick department, bragging department and gadgetry department!

                  From what I understand, a lot of the MR audience has nothing to do with horses, likely never will. But if they take home something positive, who am I to judge.


                  • #69
                    And see, when I brought my gelding, I didn't see a whole bunch of prep work done with the horses before hand. He did select them himself, and all that included was setting them in the round pen for max five minutes. He wasn't running them around til they slathered, and he chose the ones that were noticibly on the hotter side.

                    I didn't leave my horse, since it was a fair travel distance for me, and quite honestly I didn't feel comfortable leaving him there at a new place with strangers. So I know for a fact he wasn't touched after Monty saw him. And my guy was in the round pen for literally under three minutes. And never got near the trailer(he was the trailer demo).

                    I did not see a piece of twine go over the gums for the 'bucking horse' demo, and am disappointed to hear that he'd do that.

                    And as a huge coincidence, the pmu farm owners that I bought my tb from was actually in the crowd of 5000+ people! They had actually bought him through a tb auction as a stallion to add to their program, and on his papers he was listed as a colt, but when they brought him home, he had been gelded! Which was a good thing, he had no redeeming stallion qualities at all. But they recognized him right away, even though it had been four years since seeing him(he was solid black save for a tiny star on his forehead and small anklet). So we had a nice catch-up chit chat, and were not suprised he still wouldn't load.

                    The trailer they used for the demo was completely opposite than mine. Mine was an old two horse, strait load with a partition in the middle. Monty's was a low to the ground, three horse angle haul that could have hauled a moose. After ten minutes he had the horse trotting into it on a 15' rope.

                    When the show was over and time to go home, my horse did not want to load lol!, there was so much commotion going on and he was stressed, so I went to Monty, who had a huge line of people waiting to get books signed and told him I was having problems, and he went and got him loaded for me without a fuss. I guess I just didn't have what it took with that horse!

                    He was really polite, and seemed quite genuine to me, and not at all arrogant. He even had one of his staff run and grab me his trailering and groundwork videos when we were leaving.