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L A Times article on question of slaughter of 1700 wild horses

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Bluey View Post
    Sorry, for what you say there, you don't know what this not so simple situation is, no reason to laugh at all.

    Do go learn more before thinking you have a valid opinion, because it is clear you lack way too much information for that, so much you say is not even close to the situation there.
    How unkind.
    Do people tell you to go learn English before posting as your lack of grasp of the language makes your opinions invalid?

    Everyone, regardless of their depth of knowledge can have opinions... and if you want to argue the content of the opinion, have at it, but really you should consider ceasing to attack people simply because they disagree with you and with zero supportive evidence that your opinion is more astute.
    Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

    http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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    • #62
      Previous to that they were dogfood.

      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
      It's not like they had a choice. Previous to the protection act I do believe they were culled and put to use. Either or.
      The we became well fed and romantic.
      The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
      H. Cate

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      • #63
        Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
        Interesting links D_BaldStockings. We have to remember though that millions of bison roamed those same ranges. Of course, they had wild predators and Native Americans to thin the herds.

        I know nothing about bison...do their grazing habits differ from that of horses?
        Not precise to Buffalo, yet ruminants in general have different grazing habits than equines: generally they have grazing periods where they walk around and eat, followed by much longer ruminating periods where they do not need to move around as they regurgitate and chew their food.

        Equids walk and graze, then walk and graze some more, then walk and graze more. They do more trampling damage to soils and plants than most ruminants.
        They also graze shorter than bison and cattle, though sheep are also able to graze very closely: a problem for plants as grazing a crown or leaving too little 'green stuff' to provide food to the roots will result in die-off and weakening of the plants, so slow poor or non-regrowth.

        The role of native predators kept herds bunched up and moving along from grazing ground to grazing ground, effectively giving preferred plants a break to regrow, culling the herd numbers and ensuring healthy, strong survivors.
        Modern example with Elk in Yellowstone:
        http://www.forestry.oregonstate.edu/...terySolved.pdf

        Unfortunately, the prairie environment was mostly plowed up and erosion and dust bowl has depleted the topsoil by feet - which will replenish at the rate of about an inch per 100-500 YEARS.
        http://soil.gsfc.nasa.gov/index.php?section=74

        Although we can make compost in considerably less time 3-24 months of intensive work and monitoring
        http://urbanext.illinois.edu/compost/process.cfm


        So what once was simply isn't anymore.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
          Previous to that they were dogfood.
          not primarily.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IURjNZ9YIxk
          Originally posted by BigMama1
          Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
          GNU Terry Prachett

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
            How unkind.
            Do people tell you to go learn English before posting as your lack of grasp of the language makes your opinions invalid?

            Everyone, regardless of their depth of knowledge can have opinions... and if you want to argue the content of the opinion, have at it, but really you should consider ceasing to attack people simply because they disagree with you and with zero supportive evidence that your opinion is more astute.


            You must not have read the post I was responding to and thank you for your oh so very kind dig to my poor use of the English language.

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            • #66
              I haven't read all of the responses but I have said this before - the "mustang" needs to become a privatizied breed, witha regsitry. That is the only way to improve on the "breed" and the only way to get it off the payroll.

              I don't want to support a mustang any more than I want to supoort someone elses horse. And the fact that this Davis guy is profiting off of a govt. subsidy....makes my blood boil.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by hundredacres View Post

                I don't want to support a mustang any more than I want to supoort someone elses horse. And the fact that this Davis guy is profiting off of a govt. subsidy....makes my blood boil.

                There are bigger fish than that guy who get way more money from Uncle Sam.
                Consider the service he did to the BLM, saving a great deal of money they won't need to feed those horses for the next 15-20 years now. It all comes out in the wash!
                Originally posted by BigMama1
                Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                GNU Terry Prachett

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                • #68
                  ROFLMAO -"New Jersey steak"
                  Reminds me when I fixed pork ribs once. The oldest kids convinced the younger one they were human.
                  He was barfing over the kitchen sink.

                  Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                  The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                  H. Cate

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                    It's not like they had a choice. Previous to the protection act I do believe they were culled and put to use. Either or.
                    The we became well fed and romantic.
                    Exactly right!~

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                    • #70
                      The reason why gelding is not a good method of birth control for mustangs is because it is extremely difficult to round up 100% of the animals. If you miss a single male horse, the mares will continue to be bred.

                      As far as water sources... often there are no natural sources, especially ones that will last year long. On the allotment I'm familiar with, there is one well on 45,000 acres (and not centrally located). Ranchers actually haul in water to portable tanks to help disperse the cattle throughout the pasture and prevent overgrazing around a single water source. The ranges the cattle are on are monitored, and if the range is overgrazed the cattle are removed.

                      We are also seeing that in some areas where cattle have not been allowed to graze that the wildfires are much more catastrophic. Allowing a lot of forage material to accumulate results in a "hotter" fire, which often results in killing the root system of the plant. When these native bunchgrasses do not survive, annual grass weeds move into the ecosystem, and they further perpetuate the fire cycle. Once the land gets into this state, it often impossible, especially financially, to bring it back to health.

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                      • #71
                        Is that in eastern Oregon???

                        Originally posted by quarters n paints View Post
                        The reason why gelding is not a good method of birth control for mustangs is because it is extremely difficult to round up 100% of the animals. If you miss a single male horse, the mares will continue to be bred.

                        As far as water sources... often there are no natural sources, especially ones that will last year long. On the allotment I'm familiar with, there is one well on 45,000 acres (and not centrally located). Ranchers actually haul in water to portable tanks to help disperse the cattle throughout the pasture and prevent overgrazing around a single water source. The ranges the cattle are on are monitored, and if the range is overgrazed the cattle are removed.

                        We are also seeing that in some areas where cattle have not been allowed to graze that the wildfires are much more catastrophic. Allowing a lot of forage material to accumulate results in a "hotter" fire, which often results in killing the root system of the plant. When these native bunchgrasses do not survive, annual grass weeds move into the ecosystem, and they further perpetuate the fire cycle. Once the land gets into this state, it often impossible, especially financially, to bring it back to health.
                        The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                        H. Cate

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                        • #72
                          Yes, I believe the studies with bunch grasses were done in both eastern Oregon and northern Nevada.

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                          • #73
                            Thanks - interesting information.

                            Originally posted by quarters n paints View Post
                            Yes, I believe the studies with bunch grasses were done in both eastern Oregon and northern Nevada.
                            The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                            H. Cate

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