• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Loose dog spooking my horse, horse is badly injured

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #61
    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
    On the saddle slipping thing. Not saying it is or is not the case with this horse and this rider but even with a properly fitted saddle and a really tight girth, some horses are just not built in a manner that prevents the saddle from slipping back and forth.
    And we have ways to deal with that: breastplates, cruppers, foregirths, "anatomic" girths, etc. Breastplates also give you something to hang onto if things start to go pear-shaped.

    OP, I hope that you and your horse recover all right. Whatever the causes/responsibility etc. it sounds like a very scary experience.
    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"


    • #62
      I agree that the spook and the dog are separate issues, for all the reasons already covered. I won't berate you any more about it, OP.

      The slipped saddle spooking your mare that badly stood out to me. It sounds like she really needs to work on being desensitized in general. Slipped saddles (and dogs) are going to happen in life, and it would be safer for all if they didn't inspire spinning and bolting.

      When I was an undergrad, I took a class that involved breaking an essentially feral 3 year old. The colt that I ended up with had a great mind, but he was a pretty spooky, sensitive sort. We did tons and tons of desensitization work with the horses before our first rides. Which was good, because as I was cantering my colt for the very first time (during his very first ride), my saddle started slipping to the outside. He had no withers, was built like a barrel, and my saddle didn't fit him spectacularly anyway... I felt my saddle start to go and immediately asked him to whoa. By the time he stopped, I was basically sitting on him sideways. Thank goodness I had spent so much time getting him to calmly accept novel stimuli, because it could have ended very badly if I hadn't. As it was, he stopped calmly and stood quietly while I slid off on the wrong side and moved the saddle around. Good pony.

      My point is, desensitizing your horse can be a lifesaver. I need to do the same thing with my horse, actually. He's a quiet one, but the other day I was bareback and he scooted a little when a deer jumped out beside us. No big deal, except I slid a little off balance and that blew his little mind. So we're going to work on that...

      Good luck, OP, and don't beat yourself up. Just use it as an opportunity to learn. In my experience, we sometimes skip over the desensitization work in favor of more discipline specific work. Which makes sense - a lot of us only get so much saddle time a week. But this just causes spooky horses and I don't know about you, but riding a spooky horse at a show is pretty much my least favorite activity ever.

      Oh geez, sorry for the novel...
      "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
      -George Morris


      • #63

        Since it was mentioned earlier in an earlier post, here's a thread that discusses how to train your horse not to run away if you fall off. Unfortunately it probably won't help when she's in a panic, but figured I'd link it anyway


        • #64
          In my opinion the major fault is with BO. The Ops saddle slipped, we ALL make mistakes! Had there been a gate to the riding arena the danger would have been minimal. There needs to be perimeter fence also. What if a horse breaks away from the barn, same result of loose horse in the traffic. I know it's expensive we are trying to better our containment at the house.


          • #65
            ^^^ This is my thought as well. Is there a fence around the property? You said she blew by the barn and out onto the road. I read that as meaning that there isn't a gate between the barn / arena / horse areas and a busy street.
            APPSOLUTE CHOCKLATE - Photo by Kathy Colman


            • #66
              I was out riding on Monday morning too. I'm not surprised you had trouble. A cold front was coming in, and the wind was picking up. The barn dogs were high as kites, running back and forth barking at everything. I was helping a friend with a bratty but usually brave little draft pony. He exploded in the barn. I ended up hanging onto one rein doing donuts in the barn aisle until he regained his brain. We lunged the crap out of him before trusting him with a rider that morning.


              • #67
                Yeah, the dog borders on being irrelevant, the girth needs tightening and maybe a breastplate, the mare probably needs some serious desensitizing...but the BO REALLY REALLY needs to UNDERSTAND how badly this could go for him/her, you, and your horse or any horse that gets out. Falls will happen, horses on the longe line spook and rip the line out of their owner's hand, a horse will get loose while being lead...it doesn't sound like the BO really *gets* what could happen when that loose horse has easy, unimpeded access to a busy road. A bungee cord is not an acceptable suggestion.
                Author Page
                Like Omens In the Night on Facebook
                Steampunk Sweethearts


                • #68
                  Don't be discouraged!

                  As others have said, hang in there, OP! Do _not_ beat yourself up. I have also had serious "teachable moments," as my trainer calls them, where, but for the grace of the horse gods, I could have put my horse in danger (and myself, but, I think many of us punish ourselves more about the horses). You just got nailed with the perfect storm of trouble. These things happen, but remember how much you love riding your horse, and this is only a few weeks. You and your horse will recover, and it's one more experience to have in your tool box to build from for the rest of your lives together. You've got this, OP. All part of the package. Nothing to beat yourself up about.

                  And after this, that bunny lurking in the bushes is going to be nothing to you and your horse! :-)

                  My only comment about the dog is that in our area, when people start complaining about one species using the trails/conservation areas, pretty soon all species are banned. So, first it's no off-leash dogs, then no dogs at all, then no horses allowed on the trails ..... sad to think of open spaces lost to riding. Not saying this is the case in the OP's area or trying to sway the OP in either direction; just commenting on what I have experienced.


                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Starhouse View Post
                    I would like the owner to fix whatever issue is allowing the dog to get out. I don't think that's a lot to ask! If it were my dog, and I have NEVER had an issue with my dog getting loose or not coming when called, even off leash in the wilderness, I would feel very badly. I would apologize, ask if there was anything I could do, and I would remedy the problem with the fence to stop the dog from getting out.

                    Hoping for a speedy recovery for you and your horse. This does sound like the definition of "accident", though some things probably could have helped prevent this (gate/fence, secure girth).

                    I find it ironic that you just want the owner to keep the dog secure/remedy the fence, and yet you've had a horse run out onto a road twice. The horse's injury was due to being on the road, and the ongoing spook would've been the result of the saddle, not the momentary reaction from seeing the dog. Without any offense intended, I think you're really tunnel visioned on the dog and not the rest of the scenario. Horses spook all the time, often for no reason. It was everything that happened after that caused injury. Yes the dog should not be loose (and if it's an on-leash area, yours shouldn't be either), but what if it was a falling leaf, or a bunny, or any number of things that spooked the horse?

                    Bummer about missing EA :/


                    • #70
                      Firstly, I am sorry you had such a bad accident and that both you & your horse were injured.

                      But I have to side with those saying it was not the dog's actions that caused the whole thing.

                      I am also curious:
                      You mentioned you ride WITH your dog on the same trails.
                      If your dog is then off-leash, do you dismount to recall & leash the dog if you meet another rider or person with a dog?
                      Or am I incorrect, and your dog is leashed when you ride?

                      Either way sounds like it could be responsible for a similar accident for someone else or even yourself.
                      *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                      Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                      Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                      Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015


                      • #71
                        The dog owner should definitely be informed and the BO should also mention this to the dog owner. There is some may be iflexibility on control of animal - horses because size are given some allowance (I think) vs dogs where nearly every jurisdiction has leash laws. If the BO has a trainer or they give lessons having a dog spoke horses can be a huge liability for her. We had some neighbors who insisted on riding their ATVs near my trainer's ring and it was a huge problem for awhile. The dog owner could be responsible for your injuries - maybe not the horses because BO does not have perimeter fencing.


                        • #72
                          if my horse went off like a rocket at the sight of a dog I'd go back to basics and work on desensitizing. JMHO. I wouldn't feel safe on a horse like that. my horse can jump at a sudden noise but doesn't take off. Big difference.


                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Starhouse View Post
                            I just had my saddle fit checked last Friday, and yes it fits. My girth seemed tight to me but I also weigh 140 lbs and I don't think many saddles would have stayed put if they had 140 lbs of person hanging off to one side.
                            My dressage saddle didn't do this with me through ANY of the bad spooks I've had (some of which have left me hanging off the side of the horse) and I was over 200lbs at the time. Same with a Stubben A/P and a Wintec.

                            The more your posts go on, the less I get the impression that you are willing to accept ANY responsibility for your role in this.
                            Proud member of the Snort and Blow Clique


                            • #74
                              As many others have pointed out, the main problem here is riding in an arena where the horse, if separated from its rider, has easy access to get out onto a busy roadway. What if your horse had been hit by a car? What if you hadn't fallen off and you were on your horse when it got hit by a car? Things could have been worse for sure, though it may not seem like it!

                              Personally, I think it would be silly to contact the dog's owner. Would the outcome have been any different if the dogs owner was standing 20 yards away? Couldn't the exact same accident have occurred as a reaction to a deer or a wild turkey, or a grocery bag caught by the wind on a windy day? The same incident could even have occurred if the dog had been leashed, but jumped up and barked suddenly.

                              So, I don't think it is reasonable to put any responsibility on the dog owner for this accident. At worst the dog's owner would deserve a citation for having an unleashed dog depending on the laws. The dog did not "cause" the accident. If the dog had come into the arena and chased/attacked your horse, the situation would be very different.

                              Accidents happen. Horses can spook at really dumb things. I'm sorry this happened to you and your horse! It may help you "put it together" in your head to be able to put your finger on some concrete cause of your accident, but it really boils down to the fact that horses can and will spook. Obviously you've learned a lesson about saddle slippage and you've also had the dubious honor of proving to your BO that s/he needs to take some precautions to prevent horses getting into the road.

                              To make you feel better, most of us who may sound harsh on this thread have learned a bunch of lessons the hard way ourselves. Just be sure you don't prevent yourself from learning from this accident by blaming it on something irrelevant.


                              • #75
                                Oh, HATE those nasty falls and bolts... and the "loose horse" thing... everyone's nightmare ... I am so sorry for the horse, and for you. There is never a good ending to most bolts and falls (BTDT, too many times) ...

                                I don't see this as a "opinion" issue. Simply put, what are the leash laws or dog-related laws, not only in the state and county, but if that was a park or preserve, what are their laws?

                                To be honest, it's been rare to see a dog "under control" while NOT on a leash. There are "LEASH LAWS" for that very reason... Experts know = from too many injuries reported = that most people insist their dog is under control, UNTIL it disobeys them, chases another dog, a cat, a toddler, a bunny, a squirrel, or whatever ... Even owners of National Obedience Champions will tell you, you they can't 100% count on their dog's full obedience in RECALL. They try, we all try, but you can never guarantee it.

                                That is why "leash laws" were invented, because people trust too much and then seem surprised when an animal... behaves as an animal ....

                                Sorry to get off track, it's really YOUR opinion that matters here. What will you wish you had said or done 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months and 3 years from now? I would keep compliance with local codes and laws in mind at ALL times. You can't control others, but you can control what YOU do. Good luck and happy healing!
                                "If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere else."


                                • #76
                                  I am really, really sorry for your bad experience and your losses. Your story is absolutely chilling! But I don't think the dog caused the damage. Yes, he was the first thing in the chain of events; but I don't think he was the cause.

                                  Again, I am truly sorry.
                                  I have a Fjord! Life With Oden


                                  • #77
                                    My saddle slipped due to too loose girth and I ended up on the ground - at our first show. In front of God and everybody (thankfully not while we were in the ring showing). Horse didn't turn a hair. Just stood there.

                                    I also agree dog was not the main issue here, very sorry you both got injured. I agree you need to work on horse not freaking out when confronted with these type of unexpected situations. I am VERY lucky that my horse was raised from a foal with loose dogs all over the place, dogs are a total non-issue for him. Large pieces of farm machinery, however, are a different story even when just sitting there and not running. I have been working on this for 3 years now . . . . . .
                                    What's wrong with you?? Your cheese done slid off its cracker?!?!


                                    • #78
                                      I am sorry for your accident and hope you and your horse recover quickly -- both physically and emotionally --

                                      I am always interested in the responses to situations like this since the reactions are often so regional and discipline related. I went to your profile to see where you are from because here in rural VA there are no leash laws. In fact regular deer hunting season is about to start and packs of deer hounds as well as individual hounds separated from the pack will be common crossing my property and on my trails, sometimes taking up residence in my barn. A couple of my neighbors dogs visit regularly to have a snack of cat food in my barn or chase small critters in my hay field. I consider the threat of a spook from an unexpected dog literally the same as I do from wild turkeys and deer.

                                      Also have mainly boarded at hunter/jumper barns and most recently an eventing barn. A fenced ring is never a given, and since most folks ride out to hunt or cross country or hack out regularly, or even have to ride some distance in the open to get to a fenced ring, a fenced ring isn't necessarily an expectation or considered a requirement to keep riders/horses safe.


                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by cbv View Post
                                        Also have mainly boarded at hunter/jumper barns and most recently an eventing barn. A fenced ring is never a given, and since most folks ride out to hunt or cross country or hack out regularly, or even have to ride some distance in the open to get to a fenced ring, a fenced ring isn't necessarily an expectation or considered a requirement to keep riders/horses safe.
                                        Yeah, have to say I'm surprised at the number of people who apparently board and trail ride at completely enclosed facilities, only, ever.

                                        How does the entire endurance forum go on fenced-only trailrides?

                                        Is Rolex fenced in?

                                        I've boarded and lessoned at places where the farm was fenced but the majority of places have not been. Also I have never been on a fenced in trail ride, and I even cross and/or ride on the side of roads.
                                        The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                                        Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                                        The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY


                                        • #80
                                          I think it depends what kind of road the facility is on, though.

                                          One place I know is on a very busy highway, complete with speeding gas tankers. It's a downhill straight run from the barn to the road. Closing the gates never seems to cross their minds even though the barn owner has lost two supposedly beloved dogs to the traffic.

                                          Where I board now, we are down a looong driveway with a dog-leg at the end of it, and the road in front is suburban residential, and we have no gates. If it were mine, I'd put a gate on it, but that's because I'm anti-social.

                                          At home, I have no gate or perimeter fence. Once you are out of the pastures you are on your own. But I'm up a mile of dirt road in the middle of nowhere and it would just be another fence for the wild critters to knock down...