Did anyone else get flooded with calls this week? Dear God- I had everyone calling my house: George W, George Sr., Barbara, Laura and Sean Hannity. They all wanted to make sure that I got the polls. (Obviously, I am a registered republican.) It was getting a little annoying.
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You know, whatever else you have to say about old GW, he certainly has managed to electrify the voting public. There's very little apathy around today - whether for or against, I simply can't remember an election where there was this much interest and (at least stated) intent - from both sides. So, while I'll give him credit for all the bad things he's done, and for his basic stupidity (not to be confused with sneakiness and political savvy - which he has in abundance), I also have to give him credit for polarizing AND energizing the voting public."The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates
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Voted for Kerry - Not even a question in my mind about it. All you people who voted for Bush can kiss your rural barns, wide open spaces, and hunts goodbye if W wins and continues his assault on the environment - Land conservation is vitally important to the horse community and you throw that in the garbage with W - Frankly it amazes me that any horseman can vote for a man who has the MOST dismal conservation record to date.
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Piggybacking on what scrubs said... I understand we're not here to talk about state politics, but 2 years ago in MD, horse people pushed for the election of a Republican governor (first one in about 30 years), on the grounds that he favored slots, which were supposed to be good for the horse industry.
Well, we didn't get slots, but we are getting slash and burn politics in our land use and environmental policies. Great way to save the horse industry.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHJoker:
Thats GREAT varirider...
and not really answering the question.
HOW did YOUR life improve?? (IN order of your list of life improving changes made by Bush)
Were you advanced?
as in a promotion? No.
ARe you safer?
No - but honestly, I don't think any government can keep us safer from terrorists. They'll strike whereever and whenever the hell they please.
Do you have a better job?
No.
ARe your children in private school?
Parochial - it was less than daycare, but it is a stretch, and, well, Daddy had to help. (Grandpa)
Do you have lots of school loans, and a job to pay them off with?
Yes - both of us. Yes - both of us. Is my salary commensurate with my student loans? No.
Do you have lots of dependents?
No. One
Are you freer? Do you have any Iraqi or Afghan relatives who are now super happy?
No.
Are you Putin?
Uh, not today.
ARe you not remembering the Patriot act??
It and "Homeland Security" sound like some crazy euphemism for a extreme nationalist group - like the Nazis calling Germany the Homeland. Frankly, extreme nationalism scares me.
ARe you a senior citizen?
No.
Is the recession over?
No.
Did you inherit anything due to this elimination of the estate tax??
No, but my mom did.
Specifics please.
I'm a teacher and "No Child Left Behind" has dropped me into a worse circle of hell than I was before. If I can afford it, I will go back to school to get my PhD so I can teach college.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will. - Gandhi
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I've read through the pages and again most people are voting AGAINST Bush not FOR Kerry.
I have a hard time voting for a man who has not made a clear stand on any topic. Most of his stumping speeches have been very similiar to this Thread..reasons to not vote for Bush vs. reason to vote for him.
Anyhoo-I voted ..it took me an 90 minutes from the time I parked until the time I returned to my car. I do agree and find it exciting that so many people are voting this election. Whatever the outcome of the election that is at least positive.
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I voted FOR Kerry. I took a good look at his record and found a man who took a stand lots of time.
For a great review of Kerry, check out...
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2004/...end-of_27.html
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Blinky, I think you need to read again. While everyone IS very clear on what Bush has done wrong to make us want him out of office (nearly everything), I think nearly all have also detailed what they like about Kerry. For me, he is a THINKING man who has said he will surround himself with OTHER thinkers, and most importantly, will LISTEN to them. I very much admire, in fact the highpoint of his debates for me, was when he pointed to his faith, but could not in good conscience force his beliefs on others. I think he was VERY clear on that. For those that keep saying "He says he has a plan, but never lays it out" just go to his website! I didn't have any problem finding plans! Finally, he understands the importance of being able to interact and negotiate with the rest of the world. THAT is how a "war" on terrorism will be won, because only with the rest of the world working on it as hard as we are is there any hope of finding and eliminating these people. So, although I am at the point of wanting anyone but Bush, I voted for Kerry because I believe in him.Laurie
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a relevant piece
Vote or Die? Not Exactly
by Sean Gonsalves
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1102-05.htm
Depending on the outcome of today's presidential
election, and if I didn't have such deep family roots
in this land that I love, I'd seriously consider
moving to the Dominican Republic, where the weather is
warm and baseball is played all year round.
Having said that, one of the unfortunate aspects of
American politics is this fetish we have with
presidential elections as if the office of the
presidency were some omnipotent seat of power.
One thing I've learned from studying history: No
politician is ever on the cutting edge of change.
Politicians will only go so far. So if their perceived
constituents don't create the moral and political
climate for certain policies or positions, guess what?
They ain't ever gonna see the light of day.
Think about it. Name one meaningfully momentous change
in American history that was brought on behalf of the
people because a president or his administration
pioneered it.
The 40-hour work week? Paid vacations? Overtime pay?
We can thank those who shed blood, sweat and tears in
the labor movement for creating the social pressures
that established those work rules we have come to take
for granted.
You don't seriously think that one fine morning a
politician woke up and said: "To hell with the
captains of industry who have undue and
disproportionate political access and influence. I'm
going to do what's right on behalf of workers."
Hell no. Granted, labor laws in America are weak and
definitely favor corporate chieftains, but the labor
laws we do have came to fruition because people
organized outside of the conventional political
process and coerced unwilling leaders to compromise.
What about desegregation and the Voting Rights Act of
1965? You don't honestly believe that President
Johnson and Congress were moved to tears by Martin
Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech and then, out of
the goodness of their hearts, decided it was time that
blacks were no longer treated as second-class
citizens.
No. The courage and convictions of hundreds of
thousands of people willing to put their necks on the
line is what inspired democracy to expand in the 1950s
and 1960s.
What about the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam? It
certainly wasn't presidential politics or "the best
and brightest" at the forefront of that call. We got
out of Vietnam because years after the anti-war
movement was in full-swing, the business class finally
came around to the notion that the financial and moral
costs of the war outweighed the alleged benefits,
which forced the hand of the politicians.
omen's suffrage? Again, it was an active and engaged
citizenry that initiated the first step to liberate
women in America from the manacles of patriarchal
oppression. It wasn't the work of a compassionate
conservative or a bleeding heart liberal president.
Democracy isn't something you do every four years at
the polls. The life of democracy depends on critical
thinking and active participants in and outside of the
political process, willing to organize and join
democracy-building movements in between election
cycles.
It seems a large segment of the population has
confused consumerism with citizenship. Democracy is
not a spectator sport and having liberty as consumers
to choose between a variety of products doesn't have a
thing to do with freedom in any meaningful sense of
the term.
From whence came this idea that if only we elect the
right person, the complex and seemingly intractable
social ills plaguing our world will get the attention
they deserve?
No matter who gets elected at the end of day, you, me,
we, will never see the kind of change this experiment
in democracy needs to survive, unless we do more than
vote.
One of the many narrowly focused political slogans of
this election season among young people is "Vote or
Die!" The fascist implications of that slogan aside, I
say vote and organize or die. If you just vote, the
death of democracy isn't far behind.
What Gandhi said of Christianity could also be said of
democracy. It's a good idea. Somebody ought to try it
sometime.
Sean Gonsalves is a Cape Cod Times staff writer and a
syndicated columnist.
© 2003 Cape Cod TimesNothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)
The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”
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I swore I would not do this, But I have a hard time understanding why anyone would vote for someone that said we need to get back to a time when terrorism was just a nuissance... Like Gambling and Prostitution!
Donna You are quite impressive. You keep your cool in a sea of Liberals! I am very impressed!
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SGray, thank you for posting a needed reminder that our governance is OF, BY, and FOR the people.
Personally, I think that the best thing to come out of this election is so many people waking up and starting to pay attention. I know that I've been guilty of voting the (conservative) party line without critical thought (honestly, without much thought at all). Sure, there were things I didn't like and wanted to see changed but, like most folks, that's what I was electing someone else to take care of, right? And they were gonna read my mind and fix the things I cared about, right?
Mmmm. Not exactly. High time for everyone who feels strongly about anything to personally support it at the grassroots level.
(And, yes, that includes the "moral values" cited by so many voters in the exit polls. It's been a very nasty and devisive campaign, and the next president does NOT have the support of approximately half (HALF!) of the voting population and has some real messes to handle here and abroad. Our responsibility as citizens sure didn't end with the elections yesterday.)---------------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I know that I've been guilty of voting the (conservative) party line without critical thought (honestly, without much thought at all). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was VERY suprised that although Bush won our state by a landslide, our democratic governor won by a similar landslide, and our senate race was very close. I would be very happy if in 4 years we saw more moderate candidates from both parties running for President, but I fear it will be another choice between a too liberal democrat and a conservative Christian republican. Also, I was VERY disappointed to see some good republican local candidates beaten by ultra liberal lunatics.
Overall, not a good election for me. Had Easley lost too, I'd have been moving..... I get the worst of all worlds.
The witchy witch witch of south central NC.
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GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sannois:
I swore I would not do this, But I have a hard time understanding why anyone would vote for someone that said we need to get back to a time when terrorism was just a nuissance... Like Gambling and Prostitution!
Donna You are quite impressive. You keep your cool in a sea of Liberals! I am very impressed!
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I am tired of correcting the Bush campaign's spin... but Kerry didn't say this. He said he thought we could REDUCE it to a policing issue such as gambling and prostitution- not that it CURRENTLY is a "nuisance" or should be viewed as such. Ugh. You can see why Bush's campaign was so successful. People just ate it up without doing their own research.
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